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Obama has cut the DEFICIT in half....But please continue to educate us on the remarkable level of ignorance of the modern tea party conservative.
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And to counter the obvious: On Jan. 7, 2009, two weeks before Obama took office, the Congressional Budget Office reported that the deficit for fiscal year 2009 was projected to be $1.2 trillion.



wow... youre in another world.. we all should cry for humanity..... simply wow
 
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Which mistakes have I made?

Of course if you'd rather make a positive contribution read this: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL31967.pdf

The part where I corrected my statement and wasn't talking about a World War period of time. Your made the mistake of ignoring intergovt. holding debt. You want the revenue from SS and Medicare on budget but the debt created from taking that money put somewhere else. Why is that?
 
You should be happy if you can pass an eye exam..because learning or facts just are something people like you sadly stuggle with...

let me guess... you still have a hope and change bumper sticker on the Vega
 
The part where I corrected my statement and wasn't talking about a World War period of time. Your made the mistake of ignoring intergovt. holding debt. You want the revenue from SS and Medicare on budget but the debt created from taking that money put somewhere else. Why is that?

I'm not making any of this partisan. I certainly have views on who and what is responsible for current debt. (Record Budget Deficit | PBS NewsHour | July 15, 2003 | PBS) From 2003.

You're trying to say that the debt ceiling shouldn't be raised because it's too high. Your evidence for that was clearly wrong. And rather than take an honest look at the debt ceiling, you insist on filtering reality through a partisan lens.

Not raising the debt ceiling WILL be catastrophic. It will INCREASE the deficit. It will INCREASE the debt.
 
You should be happy if you can pass an eye exam..because learning or facts just are something people like you sadly stuggle with...

let me guess... you still have a hope and change bumper sticker on the Vega

Yes.. Learning is CLEARLY something I struggle with.

Well as they say.. Never wrestle with a pig, because you'll just get dirty and the pig likes it.
 
I'm not making any of this partisan. I certainly have views on who and what is responsible for current debt. (Record Budget Deficit | PBS NewsHour | July 15, 2003 | PBS) From 2003.

You're trying to say that the debt ceiling shouldn't be raised because it's too high. Your evidence for that was clearly wrong. And rather than take an honest look at the debt ceiling, you insist on filtering reality through a partisan lens.

Not raising the debt ceiling WILL be catastrophic. It will INCREASE the deficit. It will INCREASE the debt.

It is partisan, it was partisan in 2006 when Obama voted against it, and it is partisan now. Apparently in 2006 it was a failure of leadership to cut spending but in 2013 it is partisan and absurd not to give the leadership what they want an increase in spending. It is also partisan when you post a Bush deficit that never even came close to the trillion dollar Obama deficits for fiscal years 2009-2012

What you and the others who want to believe the President think is that we have to raise the debt ceiling when the reality is we have to cut spending. Obama has no interest in cutting spending. There is more than enough revenue coming in to pay our entitlement obligations including debt service on the debt. What we would have to do is agree to a budget back within our means and returning all social programs to the states where they belong.
 
I'm not making any of this partisan. I certainly have views on who and what is responsible for current debt. (Record Budget Deficit | PBS NewsHour | July 15, 2003 | PBS) From 2003.

You're trying to say that the debt ceiling shouldn't be raised because it's too high. Your evidence for that was clearly wrong. And rather than take an honest look at the debt ceiling, you insist on filtering reality through a partisan lens.

Not raising the debt ceiling WILL be catastrophic. It will INCREASE the deficit. It will INCREASE the debt.

Obama had no problem making it partisan when he called the US President "unpatriotic". Senator Obama calls Bush "unpatriotic" for adding trillions to debt www.RightFace.us - YouTube
 
Yes.. Learning is CLEARLY something I struggle with.

Well as they say.. Never wrestle with a pig, because you'll just get dirty and the pig likes it.

Or the pig just kicks you over and over and shows you to be an idiot.. but you go back and try again only to have your lunch eatin..

you may want to just fold... your posts are liberal regurge lies...a 4th grader could debunk you

by the way... since logic and deduction is not your baliwick.. I will clue you in.. CON JUST DESTROYED YOU.. now that you have that piece of fact
 
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Obama has cut the DEFICIT in half....But please continue to educate us on the remarkable level of ignorance of the modern tea party conservative.
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And to counter the obvious: On Jan. 7, 2009, two weeks before Obama took office, the Congressional Budget Office reported that the deficit for fiscal year 2009 was projected to be $1.2 trillion.

I disagree. Have you ever read and understood the constitution?

I would argue that the republicans having control of the house is why the deficit is reduced.

Isn't that obvious because of the current shutdown?

How in God's name can Obama be responsible for cutting the deficit? He is only the president that signs passed bills into law. It is the House of representatives that initiate the bills he signs...
 
It is partisan, it was partisan in 2006 when Obama voted against it, and it is partisan now. Apparently in 2006 it was a failure of leadership to cut spending but in 2013 it is partisan and absurd not to give the leadership what they want an increase in spending. It is also partisan when you post a Bush deficit that never even came close to the trillion dollar Obama deficits for fiscal years 2009-2012

What you and the others who want to believe the President think is that we have to raise the debt ceiling when the reality is we have to cut spending. Obama has no interest in cutting spending. There is more than enough revenue coming in to pay our entitlement obligations including debt service on the debt. What we would have to do is agree to a budget back within our means and returning all social programs to the states where they belong.
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Notice how the Debt Ceiling increases have always been a slim majority. Notice how just enough of the minority party will always cross over so it passes. The debt celling vote has always been a kabuki theater. The majority passes it, and the minority votes against it so they can score political points. The Democrats *could* have stopped the debt ceiling increase ever year of Bush's presidency.

The Democrats **could** have said that they'll increase the debt ceiling if Bush ends the Iraq war. Had they done that, they would have been crucified as traitors, and justifiably so. The Full Faith and Credit of the United States isn't a concession to Obama any more than it was a concession to Bush. NO ONE has the right to give that up as a "concession".
 
I disagree. Have you ever read and understood the constitution?

I would argue that the republicans having control of the house is why the deficit is reduced.

Isn't that obvious because of the current shutdown?

How in God's name can Obama be responsible for cutting the deficit? He is only the president that signs passed bills into law. It is the House of representatives that initiate the bills he signs...

I don't understand what it is about Obama that generates this kind of loyalty and totally distortion of the facts. I keep wondering why liberals keep throwing up CBO projections based upon a budget that wasn't even passed and includes the total of 700 billion in TARP that was never spent and instead the part that was spent was repaid mostly. I sure wish I could find people this loyal when I was working that would buy everything I say without ever verifying it
 
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Notice how the Debt Ceiling increases have always been a slim majority. Notice how just enough of the minority party will always cross over so it passes. The debt celling vote has always been a kabuki theater. The majority passes it, and the minority votes against it so they can score political points. The Democrats *could* have stopped the debt ceiling increase ever year of Bush's presidency.

The Democrats **could** have said that they'll increase the debt ceiling if Bush ends the Iraq war. Had they done that, they would have been crucified as traitors, and justifiably so. The Full Faith and Credit of the United States isn't a concession to Obama any more than it was a concession to Bush. NO ONE has the right to give that up as a "concession".

Again, you miss the point, but the concept is the same, with a reduction in spending there is no need to increase the debt ceiling and when the debt exceeds our GDP why would anyone support increasing the ceiling without mandatory spending cuts?
 
Again, you miss the point, but the concept is the same, with a reduction in spending there is no need to increase the debt ceiling and when the debt exceeds our GDP why would anyone support increasing the ceiling without mandatory spending cuts?

That's like saying that you're not paying the mortgage until your spouse agrees to stop buying Starbucks.

The Government doesn't sit down and say.. Oh, I need a new pen. I think I'll buy some at Staples. Oh shoot, I can't, my credit card was denied.

Instead the government signs a contract with a supplier saying that they'll take x pens a month for y months at so much. Halfway through, the government can't pull out and say.. never mind.. That's too much. They have a legal obligation to meet their obligations. (Hence the name).

The discretionary part of government spending is done when a new budget is passed. If you want to say that we need to cut spending, then do it then. Trying to cut government spending with the debt limit is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline... and saying.. well it 'looked' like water.
 
That's like saying that you're not paying the mortgage until your spouse agrees to stop buying Starbucks.

The Government doesn't sit down and say.. Oh, I need a new pen. I think I'll buy some at Staples. Oh shoot, I can't, my credit card was denied.

Instead the government signs a contract with a supplier saying that they'll take x pens a month for y months at so much. Halfway through, the government can't pull out and say.. never mind.. That's too much. They have a legal obligation to meet their obligations. (Hence the name).

The discretionary part of government spending is done when a new budget is passed. If you want to say that we need to cut spending, then do it then. Trying to cut government spending with the debt limit is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline... and saying.. well it 'looked' like water.

you don't get it because you believe we need a 3.8 trillion dollar Federal Govt. we don't. Tell me what expenses the U.S. Govt. actually has to have. My mortgage is an expense that I choose to have but I pay the bill. SS is an expense that has to be paid, debt service has to be paid, VA benefits have to be paid, I believe our troops need to be paid and we have over 220 billion dollars coming into the govt. every month which is more than enough to pay those bills. The answer is simple. cut the size of govt. and mandate continued reductions and there is no need for a debt ceiling increase.

There is no budget but the term discretionary is something you need to understand. Stop the discretionary spending and there is nothing to default on.
 
The cracks are forming in the GOP shutdown... Counts show there is more than enough votes to pass a clean cr and now the gopmasters , koch brothers are loosening the reigns to help give them an out without a fear of a koch brother funded primary challenger.

Kochs to Congress: Focus on spending, not Obamacare - NBC Politics

The Associated Press today has the Obama approval rating down to 37%. When is Obama going to propose cuts in the size of the govt? The proposal of a 3.77 trillion dollar budget doesn't do that.
 
The Associated Press today has the Obama approval rating down to 37%. When is Obama going to propose cuts in the size of the govt? The proposal of a 3.77 trillion dollar budget doesn't do that.

if we are going to base our arguments on the unpopularity of politicians or political instituions, consider the fact that Obama may have some bad approval ratings, at least he is not as unpopular as our current congresses.

Congress' Job Approval Falls to 11% Amid Gov't Shutdown
 
if we are going to base our arguments on the unpopularity of politicians or political instituions, consider the fact that Obama may have some bad approval ratings, at least he is not as unpopular as our current congresses.

Congress' Job Approval Falls to 11% Amid Gov't Shutdown

Here we go again, please tell me what relevance Congressional approval ratings mean since Congressional elections are local in nature? You don't seem to understand the difference between the a nationally elected official and a locally elected official. Doubt that you have any impact on my Representative nor I with yours. Do you understand the difference?
 
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Notice how the Debt Ceiling increases have always been a slim majority. Notice how just enough of the minority party will always cross over so it passes.
You're not a very good liar.

In the senate, no democrat votes were needed to pass in '03 0r '04. No republican votes were needed in '09.

'02... leading to Iraq war, folloing 9/11.

'07... following the recession...

In the House, several republicans voted no. Lots on no votes when it only takes 215 to pass instead of 218...

Where is ,03 for the house?

'04... same as '02... passing with 208? Don't forget, we are still rebuilding after 9/11 and waring in Iraq.

'05 and '06 House? Are you cherry picking by chance? Don't forget... Still at war...

Where is the republican help to pass for '09 and '10...
 
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