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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Conservative said:
Bush is responsible for the 4.9 trillion added to the debt during his term just like Obama is responsible for the 6.4 trillion added to the debt during his term. That is the price of leadership, something Obama nor his Obamabots understand. My answer was to the question I was asked but you failed to quote.
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As usual, results don't matter to you. You still vote the same people that increase debt. You're no better than the liberals that voted for Obama. Hey look on the bright side, you and liberals that voted for Obama are the SAME.
 
calamity said:
GWB and his GOP congree started two unfunded wars and expanded the prescription drug plan while cutting taxes. How many times do I have to tell you where the damned $16 Trillion came from?
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I want to see the Treasury numbers that support that claim. Further I know this is hard for you to understand but Iraq was approved by a 76-23 Senate vote under Democrat leadership. Imagine that? Now tell me what does any of that have to do with the 6.4 trillion debt Obama has added to the debt especially since the Iraq War ended with the Status of Forces Agreement in October 2008. You show amazing lack of knowledge about history.
 
TheNextEra said:
As usual, results don't matter to you. You still vote the same people that increase debt. You're no better than the liberals that voted for Obama. Hey look on the bright side, you and liberals that voted for Obama are the SAME.
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That is your opinion and you haven't offered a viable alternative so just keep on the sidelines whining about what the others of us voted for. I will take Ted Cruz in a heartbeat as a step in the right direction. Too bad the govt. isn't run like the state of TX and a bunch of other great Red states.
 
Conservative said:
That is your opinion and you haven't offered a viable alternative so just keep on the sidelines whining about what the others of us voted for. I will take Ted Cruz in a heartbeat as a step in the right direction. Too bad the govt. isn't run like the state of TX and a bunch of other great Red states.
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Yes, because your alternative is debt, debt, and more debt. You have proven results mean NOTHING to you as long as it is a REPUBLICAN in charge. You have proven you are a Republican FIRST, and American second.

Yes, too bad the U.S. isn't run like the state of Texas where the biggest job growth has been in the minimum wage industries. Maybe you should move to China since THEIR model is what you want the U.S. to be Con.
 
calamity said:
Nothing made up. Obama inherited a crap situation from Bush Jr and made the most of it. Clinton inherited a crap situation from 43, and hit it out of the park. Reagan tripled the debt in his effort to pull us out of the mini recession left behind by Carter. Obama barely increased spending and pulled us out of the deepest recession since the Depression. It is what it is.
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So...

Do you think the interest rate makes no difference on the national debt?

Do you know what the interest rates were each year for Reagan vs. each yer for Obama?
 
Conservative said:
You think it is factual to call tax cuts and people keeping more of what they earned an expense to the Federal Govt? You have no idea what you are talking about especially since those tax cuts increased govt. revenue. Obama also had the opportunity to eliminate them but didn't, why? He extended them and yet the 6.4 trillion dollar debt is Bush's fault?
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You really do yourself a disservice by mentioning how Obama saved the Bush tax cuts but not how he ended them. It shows your narrow minded partisanship.The deficit is HALF of what it was when Obama took office. Bush took a surplus and turned it into record deficits. That is how to judge the financial prudence of a President. By which direction he moves the deficit. Bush fails miserably as do every Republican before him since Reagan.

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Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

mbig said:
What "Misuse the parliamentary budget process"?
Obamacare is a legitimate passed LAW.
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Either you're ignorant of how the ACA was passed or you are aware and you are lying. Which is it???

Are you ignorant to the fact that the ACA was passed via the reconciliation process which is a budget process??? Or do you just not care and parrot left-wing tropes and talking points?


How is High School?
"So"?
It's effectiveness remains to be seen: the fact that it's a legitimate Law is settled.
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High school?? Are you flipping kidding me? That something is constitutional necessarily means that it must be right and must be enacted? Or can you not understand what my point was so when the personal attack route?

Laugh your brain off all you want, your post was Incoherent juvenile Hackery, conflating past budget talks and ACA.
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Conflating the two, lol...I will laugh my head off at you...wtf do you think the current budget impasse is about if not the ACA??? Bwahahahhahaaa!!!
 
iguanaman said:
You really do yourself a disservice by mentioning how Obama saved the Bush tax cuts but not how he ended them. It shows your narrow minded partisanship.The deficit is HALF of what it was when Obama took office. Bush took a surplus and turned it into record deficits. That is how to judge the financial prudence of a President. By which direction he moves the deficit. Bush fails miserably as do every Republican before him since Reagan.

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1) The budget deficit is half of what it was when Obama took office? Evidence, please. The US govt debt is up 90% since Obama took office. So even if deficits are smaller, Obama has nearly doubled the US govt-held debt.

2) But I don't attribute govt spending 100% to the President. There is an institution called Congress that plays a major role...that's why Bush ain't 100% responsible for taking projected surpluses and turning them into deficits. You do recall that Congress has a say in budgeting, right? And those Congresses were controlled by the Democrats. Bush does own Medicare Part D, does own multiple annual farm bills because those were not spending priorities unique to the Democrats.

You see, unlike you, I can exercise judgment and I can both praise and fault my party's leaders. How's the Kool-aid?
 
JMak00 said:
1) The budget deficit is half of what it was when Obama took office? Evidence, please. The US govt debt is up 90% since Obama took office. So even if deficits are smaller, Obama has nearly doubled the US govt-held debt.

2) But I don't attribute govt spending 100% to the President. There is an institution called Congress that plays a major role...that's why Bush ain't 100% responsible for taking projected surpluses and turning them into deficits. You do recall that Congress has a say in budgeting, right? And those Congresses were controlled by the Democrats. Bush does own Medicare Part D, does own multiple annual farm bills because those were not spending priorities unique to the Democrats.

You see, unlike you, I can exercise judgment and I can both praise and fault my party's leaders. How's the Kool-aid?
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Here's some very berry punch from Forbes. Drink up

Over the first four years of the Obama presidency, the deficit shrunk by a total of $300 billion dollars. That is not the national debt- it is the amount of money we spend each year relative to the amount we take in. And while this improving deficit picture is not what those who believe in a balanced budget would be looking for, it is a shrinking deficit just the same.

Find this difficult to believe?

According to the latest CBO report,

“Compared to the size of the economy, the deficit in 2013 is much lower than in 2009, when Obama took office. The deficit will be 5.3 percent of gross domestic product this year, nearly half the 10.1 percent of GDP in 2009.”
The improvement in the deficit as measured against GDP is the direct result of the deficit falling to $845 billion for fiscal year 2013—a $300 billion improvement over the previous year. And the positive trend is projected to continue though the next fiscal year where the the annual budgetary deficit will fall again to $430 billion.
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The Best Kept Secret In American Politics-Federal Budget Deficits Are Actually Shrinking! - Forbes
 
JMak00 said:
The deficit is meaningless...it's the national debt held by the fed govt that matters. Obama, if Presidents are to be held responsible,has increased that by 90%, despite deficits being smaller. Quite a feat, no?

So, take your head out of the sand.
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You need to get a clue. Its' the debt that is meaningless, since we will never pay back a single cent and don't need or want to. Bush increased the debt by nearly 200% by the way. Reagan is the champ though with a 300% increase.
 
And Obama was giving them a run for their money until Republicans stopped him by denying him $600 billion in new spending over the last three years.
 
iguanaman said:
You need to get a clue. Its' the debt that is meaningless, since we will never pay back a single cent and don't need or want to. Bush increased the debt by nearly 200% by the way. Reagan is the champ though with a 300% increase.
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Oh, we won't pay back a cent of it...then why the concern over default?? Toodles!!
 
TheNextEra said:
Yes, because your alternative is debt, debt, and more debt. You have proven results mean NOTHING to you as long as it is a REPUBLICAN in charge. You have proven you are a Republican FIRST, and American second.

Yes, too bad the U.S. isn't run like the state of Texas where the biggest job growth has been in the minimum wage industries. Maybe you should move to China since THEIR model is what you want the U.S. to be Con.
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You are so full of misinformation it is staggering. The liberal in you makes you believe you are an expert on every subject which of course you are not. As has been posted and proven TX has 4-5% of the labor force at minimum wage jobs, the lowest in the nation for a major state but you keep spouting that lie. So when you lie about the extent of the minimum wage jobs in TX you lack credibility on every other issue. Stay on the sidelines and keep whining.
 
iguanaman said:
You really do yourself a disservice by mentioning how Obama saved the Bush tax cuts but not how he ended them. It shows your narrow minded partisanship.The deficit is HALF of what it was when Obama took office. Bush took a surplus and turned it into record deficits. That is how to judge the financial prudence of a President. By which direction he moves the deficit. Bush fails miserably as do every Republican before him since Reagan.

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How can anyone take you seriously when you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Try to keep up and actually get accurate information which I have posted over and over again. I can beat you up all day with actual verifiable data but you continue to spout liberal lies hoping beyond hope that those lies become the truth. This is what you support

Obama, 6.4 trillion dollar debt in 5 years equals 1.2 trillion per year
Bush 4.9 trillion dollar debt 600 billion dollars per year
Reagan 1.7 trillion dollar debt 220 billion dollars per debt.

Obama now has the debt at over 100% if GDP which is almost double any other President in history. Absolutely staggering how poorly informed you are.
 
iguanaman said:
Here's some very berry punch from Forbes. Drink up



The Best Kept Secret In American Politics-Federal Budget Deficits Are Actually Shrinking! - Forbes
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It isn't a good secret as to the ignorance of liberals. Obama has had trillion dollar deficits 2009-2010-2011-2012 and you can tout successful reductions in the deficits but the reality is those are record deficits that have so called been cut. I knew it wouldn't take liberals log to take credit for a reduction in deficits while a 6.4 trillion increase in the debt. How typical o liberalism
 
iguanaman said:
You need to get a clue. Its' the debt that is meaningless, since we will never pay back a single cent and don't need or want to. Bush increased the debt by nearly 200% by the way. Reagan is the champ though with a 300% increase.
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Wow, the education system in this country has failed you. My, my, I don't know whether to laugh or cry when I read your posts.
 
Conservative said:
How can anyone take you seriously when you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Try to keep up and actually get accurate information which I have posted over and over again. I can beat you up all day with actual verifiable data but you continue to spout liberal lies hoping beyond hope that those lies become the truth. This is what you support

Obama, 6.4 trillion dollar debt in 5 years equals 1.2 trillion per year
Bush 4.9 trillion dollar debt 600 billion dollars per year
Reagan 1.7 trillion dollar debt 220 billion dollars per debt.

Obama now has the debt at over 100% if GDP which is almost double any other President in history. Absolutely staggering how poorly informed you are.
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Obama has taken the National Debt from 10 to 16 (in 5 years).. Bush took it from 6 to 10 (in 8 years).

Funny how progressives ignore when they attempt to bash Bush's spending (better yet the congresses authorized spending). Lets also not forget Bush presided over a democratically controlled congress for 2 years to boot.... So theoretically we an tack on another 1.5 trillion in spending with democrats in power.
 
Mr.Nick said:
Obama has taken the National Debt from 10 to 16 (in 5 years).. Bush took it from 6 to 10 (in 8 years).

Funny how progressives ignore when they attempt to bash Bush's spending (better yet the congresses authorized spending). Lets also not forget Bush presided over a democratically controlled congress for 2 years to boot.... So theoretically we an tack on another 1.5 trillion in spending with democrats in power.
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It was a split Congress from 2001-2003, Republican Controlled 2003-2006, and Democrat controlled 2007-2009. You will notice that liberals post the same distorted charts over and over again, run when challenged and then come back later with the same charts hoping apparently that eventually they become true. That is typical liberalism and since liberals believe what they are told by the elites it doesn't really matter what the facts show.
 
Conservative said:
It was a split Congress from 2001-2003, Republican Controlled 2003-2006, and Democrat controlled 2007-2009. You will notice that liberals post the same distorted charts over and over again, run when challenged and then come back later with the same charts hoping apparently that eventually they become true. That is typical liberalism and since liberals believe what they are told by the elites it doesn't really matter what the facts show.
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True, however most democrats pretend like its republican presidents who spend money - that's not the case at all - it's our congress and it's the presidents job to sign that spending into law. However, the difference between republican presidents and democrat presidents is that republican presidents don't talk at congress and demand spending while democrat presidents do nothing but demand spending and the democrat minions in congress turn around and spend... Democrat presidents pretend they have 4 or 8 years to dictate and they pretend they're dictators for that period of time.

Of course all the numbers prove exactly what I said.... Look at congressional spending under democrats vs republicans...
 
ItAin'tFree said:
Show me this "surplus".
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iguanaman is typical of most liberals, throws out rhetoric and then runs when challenged only to come back later with the same rhetoric. Typical liberalism is to distort and divert but never recognize failure.
 
Conservative said:
iguanaman is typical of most liberals, throws out rhetoric and then runs when challenged only to come back later with the same rhetoric. Typical liberalism is to distort and divert but never recognize failure.
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And you are so typical of a desperate Righty. You cannot face the truth because it conflicts with you twisted world view. Like a religous zealot defending creation to a scientist,. all you have is "faith" which is another way of saying you only see what you want to see. Because of that the rest of this post will look blank to you. The rest of us will see the truth though.


Clinton’s large budget surpluses also owe much to the Social Security tax on payrolls. Social Security taxes now bring in more than the cost of current benefits, and the "Social Security surplus" makes the total deficit or surplus figures look better than they would if Social Security wasn’t counted. But even if we remove Social Security from the equation, there was a surplus of $1.9 billion in fiscal 1999 and $86.4 billion in fiscal 2000. So any way you count it, the federal budget was balanced and the deficit was erased, if only for a while
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The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton
 

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ItAin'tFree said:
Show me this "surplus".
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Come on now, you don't expect a liberal to back up their wild accusations and statements with facts? How dare anyone question what a liberal posts here. We all know they are the experts on every subject and anything official numbers that refute what they say is simply wrong and racists because we have Obama in the WH
 
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