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CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176:468]

Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

I gave you the BLS numbers which you probably don't understand. Your chart doesn't refute anything I posted and goes all the way to 2007. I don't even think you understand what your chart shows or what you are talking about. Obviously you have no idea what leadership responsibilities are.

I know this. You are obviously praising Reagan for pulling us out of a baby recession by tripling the debt but can;t seem to shut up about how horrible Obama is even though he pulled us out of a severe depression by increasing the debt by a mere 45%
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Kobie;1062378619]I know what the "misery index" was; I just think the "misery index" is a stupid statistic based on adding together two arbitrary, often unrelated figures.

Of course you do because misery index actually has human faces associated with it and direct affects people. Obviously your book "learnin" doesn't apply human faces to your theory.


By ALL economic standards? That's a pantload if I ever saw one. We lost exponentially more jobs from the 2008-09 recession than the 81-82 one. As in, not even remotely comparable. Real GDP saw a bigger hit. Of course, then there's the entire foreclosure problem, since the cause of the 2008 recession was the bursting of the housing bubble (and all the accounting shenanigans that came with), which wasn't what caused the early 80s recession. The entire cause of that recession was overly contractionary Fed policy designed to combat inflation. I don't give a rat's ass what you lived and worked through; you don't know what you're talking about.

More jobs because of a larger labor force however jobs not keeping up with the labor force increases and record numbers dropping out because they are discouraged. Those are the economic numbers liberals want to ignore. Real GDP is also misunderstood because people like you don't understand we are a private sector economy not the govt. central economy Obama wants.

You don't think there was a foreclosure problem in the 81-82 recession. U-Haul was out of trailors, mortgage interest rates were 17.5%. every American was impacted by the high interest rates, high unemployment, and high inflation. People who don't own homes, weren't selling their homes, and had fixed 30 year mortgages weren't affected by this recession nearly as much as the high interest rates and high inflation compounding the 81-82 recession



Yes, Reagan flew in on his golden pegasus and singlehandedly pulled us back from ... an economic hiccup that was insignificant enough to be self-correctable. I'm certainly not saying his policies had NOTHING to do with the recovery; however, to claim that the early-80s recession was worse is asinine.

Get your nose out of the textbook and actually do some research. Reagan wasn't out making campaign speeches against Tip O'Neil, Reagan promoted the greatness of the American spirit and our economy, not the greatness of the American govt. to solve personal issues.

I don't have any idea where you get your information regarding the 81-82 recession but the only reason the numbers don't look as bad is because of strong leadership, not divisive rhetoric by an incompetent President.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

I know this. You are obviously praising Reagan for pulling us out of a baby recession by tripling the debt but can;t seem to shut up about how horrible Obama is even though he pulled us out of a severe depression by increasing the debt by a mere 45%

You sure are fixated on the tripling of the debt but sell that bs to your other Obamabots. Debt is only bad if you don't have the return to pay for that debt, Reagan generated a 60% increase in Income Tax revenue from his three years of tax cuts and before you go on about raising taxes, he didn't raise income taxes and that is where the increase of 60% shows up so tell me how you increase income tax revenue by cutting taxes three years in a row? Hint:17 million new job holders.

Please tell me how this recession that Obama inherited affected you and your family? What was your mortgage rate then vs now? You call it severe depression? that is total ignorance, there was no depression but I could make a case that the 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers today are in a depression and the lack of Obama leadership is keeping them there.
 
Hey, kid, chuckle away but the laugh is on you. You have been given the opportunity to prove me wrong but you continue to cite your own personal opinions backed up by nothing. I spent 35 years in the business world and am retired. I can beat you up all day with actual economic data but what is the use, you don't understand any of it.

Dude, you prove yourself more wrong with every post in a classic case of open mouth insert foot.

Conservative Logic: Tripling debt,good; adding less than 50% to a debt, bad. What's the difference? THe tripling occurred under the Conservative's idol: Ron-Ron; while the slight increase is happening under a Democrat with a funny sounding name.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

You sure are fixated on the tripling of the debt but sell that bs to your other Obamabots. Debt is only bad if you don't have the return to pay for that debt, Reagan generated a 60% increase in Income Tax revenue from his three years of tax cuts and before you go on about raising taxes, he didn't raise income taxes and that is where the increase of 60% shows up so tell me how you increase income tax revenue by cutting taxes three years in a row? Hint:17 million new job holders.

Please tell me how this recession that Obama inherited affected you and your family? What was your mortgage rate then vs now? You call it severe depression? that is total ignorance, there was no depression but I could make a case that the 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers today are in a depression and the lack of Obama leadership is keeping them there.
Uh, Obama's increased revenue by over $1 Trillion.

So, that must mean Obama's debt is good. Right?
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Oh, really? do you know what the misery index was then? By all economic standards the 81-82 recession hurt Americans much worse than this one, I lived and worked during both, what is your experience? You see, you are comparing results of this recession to the results of the 81-82 recession ignoring the vacuum of leadership displayed by Obama and the leadership exhibited by Reagan.

Perfect example of "Open mouth insert foot".

Saying the little blip in 80 was worse than the Bush Recession of 2007 is ridiculous. If you honestly believe it, then you have demonstrated to us your complete and total ignorance.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Uh, Obama's increased revenue by over $1 Trillion.

So, that must mean Obama's debt is good. Right?

Revenue is down since 2007.

2007 2,567,985
2008 2,523,991
2009 2,104,989
2010 2,162,706
2011 2,303,466
2012 2,450,164
2013 estimate 2,712,045

It might be slightly up this year, but only after the govts borrowed 4 trillion more, so is it real? And its not only Obamas fault. Congress approves the bills first.
 
Dude, you prove yourself more wrong with every post in a classic case of open mouth insert foot.

Conservative Logic: Tripling debt,good; adding less than 50% to a debt, bad. What's the difference? THe tripling occurred under the Conservative's idol: Ron-Ron; while the slight increase is happening under a Democrat with a funny sounding name.

Seriously?

Let me guess you heard all of that on MSNBC?

It's simply amazing how you Obamabots throw a blinds eye at the democrats spending and blatant fascism...

You do realize Obama has tripled the debt - the same debt that you claim bush tripled??

Yeah all this social welfare costs money you know?...
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

His mom was an American Citizen in good standing...

Yes, I know all that. You were saying I was wrong about him being a Mexican-American.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Yes, I know all that. You were saying I was wrong about him being a Mexican-American.

Why don't you just call yourself a concerned US citizen?

Besides, "Mexican American" is a bit redundant considering Mexico is in North America.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Why don't you just call yourself a concerned US citizen?

Besides, "Mexican American" is a bit redundant considering Mexico is in North America.

Why should I call myself a "concerned US citizen"? As opposed to what? We are calling Ted Cruz a Mexican American because that's what he is, just "American" is not specific enough for the conversation. Besides, it's referring to nationality, not geography.
 
Seriously?

Let me guess you heard all of that on MSNBC?

It's simply amazing how you Obamabots throw a blinds eye at the democrats spending and blatant fascism...

You do realize Obama has tripled the debt - the same debt that you claim bush tripled??

Yeah all this social welfare costs money you know?...
What are you blabbing about? None of what you said here is true.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Yes, I know all that. You were saying I was wrong about him being a Mexican-American.
He has no Mexican in him whatsoever. That was my original point that obviously went whoosh right over your little head.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Why should I call myself a "concerned US citizen"? As opposed to what? We are calling Ted Cruz a Mexican American because that's what he is, just "American" is not specific enough for the conversation. Besides, it's referring to nationality, not geography.

Why does race matter?

I'm a Sicilian but I prefer "dude."
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Revenue is down since 2007.

2007 2,567,985
2008 2,523,991
2009 2,104,989
2010 2,162,706
2011 2,303,466
2012 2,450,164
2013 estimate 2,712,045

It might be slightly up this year, but only after the govts borrowed 4 trillion more, so is it real? And its not only Obamas fault. Congress approves the bills first.
What does 2007 have to do with it? Obama saw increased rev for every year he was in office, beginning in 2009.
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Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Nonsense. The debt Reagan took on handcuffed this nation for decades. We're still mired in Reagan's debt.

That's funny! Yeah, the nation was really handcuffed in the '90's with that booming economy created by Reagan's policies! It just petered out at the end, when Clinton handed GWB a recession created by his tax hikes.

But, I guess, the $6 trillion (and counting) of debt that Obama has strapped us with, that's not a problem. LOL! Liberal logic is funny.
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

Why should I call myself a "concerned US citizen"? As opposed to what? We are calling Ted Cruz a Mexican American because that's what he is, just "American" is not specific enough for the conversation. Besides, it's referring to nationality, not geography.

There you go with that "Mexican" crap again. His dad is Cuban. Get a clue.
 
Actually, you can't prove it.

You've said enough for me to assess...

No I can't prove it, but your yapper provides evidence hence a theory...

If it matters few things can be proved and all there is - is evidence....
 
Re: CNN Poll: GOP would bear the brunt of shutdown blame [W:176]

That's funny! Yeah, the nation was really handcuffed in the '90's with that booming economy created by Reagan's policies! It just petered out at the end, when Clinton handed GWB a recession created by his tax hikes.

But, I guess, the $6 trillion (and counting) of debt that Obama has strapped us with, that's not a problem. LOL! Liberal logic is funny.

Ah...the Boom during Clinton's presidency was due to Reagan, and the bust while Bush governed for two terms was due to Clinton. But the mess Obama has to deal with is all on him.


Right Wing logic :roll:
 
You've said enough for me to assess...

No I can't prove it, but your yapper provides evidence hence a theory...

If it matters few things can be proved and all there is - is evidence....
You assert much, substantiate nothing.
 
Ah...the Boom during Clinton's presidency was
due to Reagan, and the bust while Bush governed for two terms was due to Clinton. But the mess Obama has to deal with is all on him.


Right Wing logic :roll:

Clinton lowered Capital Gains Taxes, and had a Republican Congress.

He also built the Sub-Prime Bubble, via executive orders that lowered lebding standards and it was all based on the false narrative of "redlining".

He also appointed a binch of criminals to run Fannie and Freddie, and was a generally scumny dude.

You need to educate yourself.
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

No. Republicans cannot choose to simply fund portions of the law that they don't like. The proper way would be to try to bring changes in the law through legislation. However, they know that they don't have the backing to do that so they are resorting to gamesmanship and essentially to holding a gun to the head of the American public. It is immature and childish and the teabaggers are destroying what is left of the GOP's credibility.
Sorry, I disagree. Spending originates in the house. The senate approves or disapproves the spending bills.

Consider this. Since you interpret things like you do, why is it any different for the republicans to want to give the people the same 1 year break from Obamacare-snare that Obama gave to his corporate friends?
 
Re: Most would blame Republicans

Who you elected is Irrelevant. That minorities' tactics ARE the issue here.
And you did NOT Back your claim of what is going on and who is responsible.
Your last was Indeed Empty GARBAGE/Conspiratorial innuendo and you have FAILED to put any meat on the bone.
My post to j-mac remains Untouched by any coherent or honest reply.

The HACKERY on the top half of the board is disgraceful, and you are one of the main knee-jerk purveyors that make logical discussion impossible.
1) The republicans are the majority in the house.

2) Spending bills originate in the house.

3) The senate can vote yes or no.

4) It is the democrats who have cause the shutdown.
 
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