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LOL!
The US does not have the toughest drug regulations in the world. You probably never heard of the EMEA or CHMP.

Malpractice insurance and settlements contribute about 5% of total HC costs.

Selling insurance across State lines is a ridiculous idea championed only by those who don't understand insurance, risk pools, and health care, or those who are willing to give up States rights over regulation.

Meme-busting: Selling insurance across state lines will lower costs | The Incidental Economist

The rest of your post are conclusions built on a foundation of misunderstanding.

Not drug regulations, Drug testing requirements and the time it takes to get product to the market. where do the R&D expenses come from

Malpractice insurance is a cost, a cost why?

Inserting competition into the industry is a foreign concept to people like you

What do you call Obamacare if not a liberal pipe dream that promises lower costs and better service contrary to history of every govt. program ever implemented?
 
Are you talking about the subsidies?
See comment #561 for what I'm talking about.

To get "healthcare" (of a sort) for those who don't have it, Obama has had developed for him the initial step toward a Single Payer (Government) Healthcare system ... just like he said.

With Ocare everyone who isn't indigent is going to pay healthcare costs for those who are. Everyone. Yes, that happens to an extent now ... but now it's institutionalized, more expensive, and truly a redistributive plan ... IOW, socialized medicine.

It's gonna be bad ... and we haven't even started with the heavy hand of the Patient Advisory Board yet.
 
My goodness, somebody is having trouble with reading today.


If you can't read and comprehend one paragraph on this forum I highly doubt you could read and comprehend the legislation that you're pissing and moaning about. And you're doing a lot of inane projection, claiming I believe everything Obama tells me.
I don't agree with a lot of what Obama says, but it's people like you that are part of the problem.

I see you're already becoming as big a boor as some others here who may LIKE comments like that ... some friendly advice ... don't let it happen ... it's not very attractive.
 
Not drug regulations, Drug testing requirements and the time it takes to get product to the market. where do the R&D expenses come from

Malpractice insurance is a cost, a cost why?

Inserting competition into the industry is a foreign concept to people like you

What do you call Obamacare if not a liberal pipe dream that promises lower costs and better service contrary to history of every govt. program ever implemented?


Nice way to avoid my carefully referenced post.
 
I see you're already becoming as big a boor as some others here who may LIKE comments like that ... some friendly advice ... don't let it happen ... it's not very attractive.

:agree: Skewed thinking is unattractive in all its forms! It's unfortunate that the legislators who voted for this "trainwreck" either didn't read it, or understand it if they did, which explains why it's being rewritten before it even takes effect! It also explains why so many exemptions are being given...those people did read it, and they don't like what it says! Too bad for the rest of us who are being forced to comply! :thumbdown:

Good morning, Bubba. :2wave:
 
:agree: Skewed thinking is unattractive in all its forms! It's unfortunate that the legislators who voted for this "trainwreck" either didn't read it, or understand it if they did, which explains why it's being rewritten before it even takes effect! It also explains why so many exemptions are being given...those people did read it, and they don't like what it says! Too bad for the rest of us who are being forced to comply! :thumbdown:

Good morning, Bubba. :2wave:
The sewed thinking thing is bad enough but the whole pompous obnoxious comment act gets really really tiresome ... even in a newbie.
How you doin' Pol?
 
The sewed thinking thing is bad enough but the whole pompous obnoxious comment act gets really really tiresome ... even in a newbie.
How you doin' Pol?

I'm rapidly becoming irritated with all the nonsense that's going on in DC! The "I'm smarter than you are, therefore I'll decide what's best for you," attitude does tend to affect me that way! Odd that I, along with millions of others, somehow managed to live productive lives without their help before now, though! Since arrogant smug "know-it-alls" are usually not popular in any society, especially when it becomes apparent that they're full of :bs:, it's becoming normal to ignore what they say! People are waking up to the fact that our government is dysfunctional! $17 trillion in debt is disgusting, and yet spending money we have to borrow is the new normal? Not where I come from! :thumbdown:
 
I'm rapidly becoming irritated with all the nonsense that's going on in DC! The "I'm smarter than you are, therefore I'll decide what's best for you," attitude does tend to affect me that way! Odd that I, along with millions of others, somehow managed to live productive lives without their help before now, though! Since arrogant smug "know-it-alls" are usually not popular in any society, especially when it becomes apparent that they're full of :bs:, it's becoming normal to ignore what they say! People are waking up to the fact that our government is dysfunctional! $17 trillion in debt is disgusting, and yet spending money we have to borrow is the new normal? Not where I come from! :thumbdown:
I hear ya.
 
I see you're already becoming as big a boor as some others here who may LIKE comments like that ... some friendly advice ... don't let it happen ... it's not very attractive.

I don't appreciate someone telling me I enjoy mandates immediately after I claim I don't like mandates. It implies someone is reading my post and simply inserting their own thoughts into what I said. Those types of lies need to be corrected immediately and the offender should be embarrassed.
 
I don't appreciate someone telling me I enjoy mandates immediately after I claim I don't like mandates. It implies someone is reading my post and simply inserting their own thoughts into what I said. Those types of lies need to be corrected immediately and the offender should be embarrassed.
I know, but stuff like that can happen here and anywhere else... for various reasons ... not always malice.
I was just hoping you didn't get into the habit of that "can't read or comprehend" stuff like some others employ regularly here ... on this very page, in fact ... you'll know it when you see it.
But in the end it's your call so have fun whatever you decide.
 
Sorry, but until you address the costs, all of them there will never be any improvement in healthcare costs.

Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance about the law you hate so much.

Cost controls are certainly a significant part of the ACA.
 
Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance about the law you hate so much.

Cost controls are certainly a significant part of the ACA.

Only for the insurance companies' benefit. That's the extent. We the people pay more.
 
Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance about the law you hate so much.

Cost controls are certainly a significant part of the ACA.

Really? Cost controls are a big part of ACA? How does adding 30 million people to the roles of the insured improve costs, quality, and service? When you exempt groups from ACA that increases the costs on others. Name for me just one Federal govt. social program that cost what it was supposed to cost, did what it was supposed to do, and actually solved a problem>
 
Really? Cost controls are a big part of ACA? How does adding 30 million people to the roles of the insured improve costs, quality, and service? When you exempt groups from ACA that increases the costs on others. Name for me just one Federal govt. social program that cost what it was supposed to cost, did what it was supposed to do, and actually solved a problem>

Ever heard of an ACO?
Payment for quality vs quantity?
EMR to reduce repetitive tests and redundant care?
PCORI?

You probably have no clue about these things because you sound like you get your information from Glenn Beck.
 
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There have been a number of good proposals submitted by the GOP but neither Obama or the media have reported those programs. It serves no purpose to discuss them now.

In other words all you have is an opinion then?OK.:roll:

The point remains, there is nothing that the federal Govt. does that is efficient, cost effective, and provides better quality.

The last i heard was that the VA was providing healthcare at a lower cost then even Medicare and we know(at least those of us not brainwashed by right-wing media) that Medicare is more cost effective than private insurance companies and its lucrative salaries to its executives/CEO,s.

All you get with Obamacare is maybe improved access but certainly not improved service or quality.

How do you know that " certainly not improved service or quality "?It don't go into effect until Jan. of 2014.Got the ole crystal ball outta hock didja?:2wave:
 
Exactly, don't think Donc realizes what you are saying here. Obama has exempted campaign contributors from Obamacare yet says he won't compromise with Republicans. Compromise to a liberal means doing exactly what they want. Since Obamacare is the law of the land there should be NO exemptions including Congress.

What’s to compromise on? It’s now the law of the land. Shoulda just made Medicare for all that want it and been done with it. Now were stuck with this twenty five hundred page POS that will be changed(hopefully) sometime, in the future, to a national health-care system similar to Medicare.:roll:
 
What’s to compromise on? It’s now the law of the land. Shoulda just made Medicare for all that want it and been done with it. Now were stuck with this twenty five hundred page POS that will be changed(hopefully) sometime, in the future, to a national health-care system similar to Medicare.:roll:

A number of issues starting with the exemptions. Why were they given and why won't Obama negotiate with the House on more? Guess it is ok to negotiate with supporters and contributors but not Representatives in the Peoples' House. Congress should have their healthcare plan scrapped and all put on Obamacare with no exceptions or exemptions.
 
A number of issues starting with the exemptions. Why were they given and why won't Obama negotiate with the House on more? Guess it is ok to negotiate with supporters and contributors but not Representatives in the Peoples' House. Congress should have their healthcare plan scrapped and all put on Obamacare with no exceptions or exemptions.

Maybe he is waiting for bonher to put the senate bill on the floor for a vote before the FULL house.Ya think?:2wave:
 
Maybe he is waiting for bonher to put the senate bill on the floor for a vote before the FULL house.Ya think?:2wave:

The best statement I heard today was from a pundit talking about the problems with the website and delays, "If you like the DMV and the IRS you are going to love Obamacare"
 
The best statement I heard today was from a pundit talking about the problems with the website and delays, "If you like the DMV and the IRS you are going to love Obamacare"

Said pundit didnt go byi the name of "Harland Dorrinson "did he?:mrgreen:

<Harland Dorrinson, 47, a tire salesman from Lexington, Kentucky, packed up his family and whatever belongings he could fit into his Chevy Suburban just hours before the health-insurance exchanges opened, joining the Tea Party’s Freedom Caravan with one goal in mind: escape from Obamacare. >

Millions Flee Obamacare : The New Yorker
 
Said pundit didnt go byi the name of "Harland Dorrinson "did he?:mrgreen:

<Harland Dorrinson, 47, a tire salesman from Lexington, Kentucky, packed up his family and whatever belongings he could fit into his Chevy Suburban just hours before the health-insurance exchanges opened, joining the Tea Party’s Freedom Caravan with one goal in mind: escape from Obamacare. >

Millions Flee Obamacare : The New Yorker

No, actually it was an insurance broker working to sign up people on Obamacare
 
No, want to explain it to us? Does it affect 312 million Americans most negatively?

So you've never heard of ACOs, which is changing the healthcare landscape quite dramatically, and is a major piece of the ACA....yet you pretend to know why the ACA is bad for all of us.

Use the ****ing google.
 
So you've never heard of ACOs, which is changing the healthcare landscape quite dramatically, and is a major piece of the ACA....yet you pretend to know why the ACA is bad for all of us.

Use the ****ing google.

How does an ACO relate to a govt. funded federal entitlement program? Why is ACA good for us all, that is the question that no liberal can answer. How will ACA help you and your family? I lost my doctor due to Medicare which I am forced to take, millions are going to lose their healthcare under Obamacare but for some reason that is too difficult for you to comprehend. It isn't the Federal Government's role to create this program, why do you really think they did it? Your states uninsured costs are bourn by your state not the federal taxpayers so I know God gave you a brain, think for a change. What benefit is there to the Federal Govt. with Obamacare?
 
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