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U.N. Panel to blame mankind for global warming, explain 'hiatus'[W;96]

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Middleground said:
Do you think it will be possible to extract all of that oil/natural gas without turning the land into a dumpster?
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Sure, thanks to horizontal drilling.
 
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Republic Now! said:
Sure, thanks to horizontal drilling.
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So, with horizontal drilling, there are absolutely no problems? Do you think people will have to vacate their homes?
 
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CalGun said:
So now you want a fart tax too? Or just euthanasia of those you disagree with?
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Oh absolutely that is what they want....These are the same people that just ate up theories like "The population bomb" by Paul R. Ehrlich in the late 60's, and have been buying into every crack pot theory since as a way to "nudge" the people toward a Marxist Utopia.

The Population Bomb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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Middleground said:
So, with horizontal drilling, there are absolutely no problems?
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If you're looking for energy source with absolutely no consequences, you're going to be waiting for a long time. In the dark. Because you won't have any power.

Do you think people will have to vacate their homes?
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No?
 
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Middleground said:
So, with horizontal drilling, there are absolutely no problems? Do you think people will have to vacate their homes?
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I say we all ride rabbits with Philly helmets on....heh, heh....
 
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Republic Now! said:
If you're looking for energy source with absolutely no consequences, you're going to be waiting for a long time. In the dark. Because you won't have any power.
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Last I checked, solar power does not cause earthquakes, destroy the land, pump chemicals into the soil, contaminate drinking water, drain rivers, kill wildlife and force people to evacuate their homes.




No?
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You need to beef up your knowledge on what has been happening already.
 
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Middleground said:
You know, over-and-over again, throughout the many years I have been posting here, I have not once seen one iota of proof that private sector groups are funding scientific organizations so they can push their warming agenda. Who are these people/businesses??? :popcorn2:
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"The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded. Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific technological elite."
-Dwight Eisenhower

Who said anything about private sector money?
 
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CycloneWanderer said:
"The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded. Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific technological elite."
-Dwight Eisenhower
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Wowza... I is so convinced now!!111!!!1!!1!!1!1!1!!1!!!!!1111!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!
 
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Middleground said:
Okay.

Now.
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Nah, that would be totally wrong....Today wind, and solar make up less than 1% I think of energy use in the US, and the unreliability of these tech's doesn't bode well for the replacement of anything other than turbine free landscapes. Consider an article in the LA Times last December....

The Delta Energy Center, a power plant about an hour outside San Francisco, was roaring at nearly full bore one day last month, its four gas and steam turbines churning out 880 megawatts of electricity to the California grid.

On the horizon, across an industrial shipping channel on the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta, scores of wind turbines stood dead still. The air was too calm to turn their blades — or many others across the state that day. Wind provided just 33 megawatts of power statewide in the midafternoon, less than 1% of the potential from wind farms capable of producing 4,000 megawatts of electricity.

As is true on many days in California when multibillion-dollar investments in wind and solar energy plants are thwarted by the weather, the void was filled by gas-fired plants like the Delta Energy Center.

One of the hidden costs of solar and wind power — and a problem the state is not yet prepared to meet — is that wind and solar energy must be backed up by other sources, typically gas-fired generators. As more solar and wind energy generators come online, fulfilling a legal mandate to produce one-third of California's electricity by 2020, the demand will rise for more backup power from fossil fuel plants.

"The public hears solar is free, wind is free," said Mitchell Weinberg, director of strategic development for Calpine Corp., which owns Delta Energy Center. "But it is a lot more complicated than that."

Wind and solar energy are called intermittent sources, because the power they produce can suddenly disappear when a cloud bank moves across the Mojave Desert or wind stops blowing through the Tehachapi Mountains. In just half an hour, a thousand megawatts of electricity — the output of a nuclear reactor — can disappear and threaten stability of the grid.

To avoid that calamity, fossil fuel plants have to be ready to generate electricity in mere seconds. That requires turbines to be hot and spinning, but not producing much electricity until complex data networks detect a sudden drop in the output of renewables. Then, computerized switches are thrown and the turbines roar to life, delivering power just in time to avoid potential blackouts.

Renewable energy increase will require use of more fossil fuels - Los Angeles Times
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Doesn't sound reliable to me....
 
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j-mac said:
Nah, that would be totally wrong....Today wind, and solar make up less than 1% I think of energy use in the US, and the unreliability of these tech's doesn't bode well for the replacement of anything other than turbine free landscapes. Consider an article in the LA Times last December....



Doesn't sound reliable to me....
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Sounds pretty good to me. In fact, the technology has made leaps and bounds and will continue to improve.
 
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Middleground said:
Wowza... I is so convinced now!!111!!!1!!1!!1!1!1!!1!!!!!1111!!!!!!!!!111!!!!!!
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If Canada was willing to respect Eisenhower as the Supreme Commander of Allied forces in WWII Europe, I would hope you as a Canadian resident would at least respect a few of his final words as President of the United States enough to not instantly deride them.
 
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Middleground said:
Last I checked, solar power does not cause earthquakes, destroy the land, pump chemicals into the soil, contaminate drinking water, drain rivers, kill wildlife and force people to evacuate their homes.
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I see you've watched some youtube videos. Bravo.




You need to beef up your knowledge on what has been happening already.
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No, I'm well aware of the paranoid ramblings of many on this issue. They're just not true.
 
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CycloneWanderer said:
If Canada was willing to respect Eisenhower as the Supreme Commander of Allied forces in WWII Europe, I would hope you as a Canadian resident would at least respect a few of his final words as President of the United States enough to not instantly deride them.
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Nothing against Eisenhower, but using a quote as proof simply does not cut it. At all.
 
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DDD said:
No extra cash that somehow immediately means that money determined to be spent on war, is it? Could it not be spent for something else instead? :)

That is why it seemed funny. You who opposed war to the point of wanting Putin to have the Noble Prize instead of Obama suddenly could not think of the extra money being used for anything else other than war.
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My humor and sarcasm really did escape you, but you are forgiven.
 
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Republic Now! said:
I see you've watched some youtube videos. Bravo.






No, I'm well aware of the paranoid ramblings of many on this issue. They're just not true.
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Yes, of course. It's all NOT TRUE until it affects you. It's hilarious, actually. We get the same people here when it comes to our tar sands. Heads in the sand ('scuse the play on words!) until the destruction affects them. I don't get why it's so hard to think out of the box, but it seems it's a problem for some.
 
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Middleground said:
Yes, of course. It's all NOT TRUE until it affects you. It's hilarious, actually. We get the same people here when it comes to our tar sands. Heads in the sand ('scuse the play on words!) until the destruction affects them. I don't get why it's so hard to think out of the box, but it seems it's a problem for some.
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Yeah, yeah. Any crazy paranoia that is ever conceived about imagined environmental impact is true and any denial of it is caused by a lack of impact on the individual.
 
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Republic Now! said:
Yeah, yeah. Any crazy paranoia that is ever conceived about imagined environmental impact is true and any denial of it is caused by a lack of impact on the individual.
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DDT?
True

Ozone layer?
True

Polluted rivers?
True


Need I continue? If awareness of the above was not raised by environmentalists in the 70s, what do you think the repercussions would be today?
 
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Middleground said:
DDT?
True
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No, DDT was overreacted to and was banned when it didn't need to be. Like most things of the era, DDT was being overused in ways that would obviously impact the environment negatively. Limited and proper use, however, can be largely beneficial.

We can thank DDT's short term use for the lack of malaria in modern day.


Ozone layer?
True
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Are you talking about CFCs?

CFC's problems were well documented chemical reactions.


Polluted rivers?
True
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I don't know what specifically you're talking about here.


Need I continue? If awareness of the above was not raised by environmentalists in the 70s, what do you think the repercussions would be today?
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Overpopulation?
False.

Polar Bears?
False.

Offshore Drilling in California?
False.

Need I continue?

Though, I feel this conversation is not productive. How about giving me an example of water seepage in drinking water via horizontal drilling so we can discuss something tangible instead of throwing irrelevant topics back and forth?
 
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Republic Now! said:
No, DDT was overreacted to and was banned when it didn't need to be. Like most things of the era, DDT was being overused in ways that would obviously impact the environment negatively. Limited and proper use, however, can be largely beneficial.

We can thank DDT's short term use for the lack of malaria in modern day.




Are you talking about CFCs?

CFC's problems were well documented chemical reactions.




I don't know what specifically you're talking about here.




Overpopulation?
False.

Polar Bears?
False.

Offshore Drilling in California?
False.

Need I continue?

Though, I feel this conversation is not productive. How about giving me an example of water seepage in drinking water via horizontal drilling so we can discuss something tangible instead of throwing irrelevant topics back and forth?
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You lack of knowledge of the facts is quite apparent. You really need to educate yourself.
 
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Where has the oil industry said we have zero effect? As I understand it they illustrate quite accurately that climate change is cyclical and that humans have very little impact on it, but I have not seen them suggest we have no impact. And so they are bias, but some how govt researchers with an agenda to tax, regulate, and redistribute don't? You acknowledge bias in the human race but seem to ignore it among those who support your political persuation.


TheNextEra said:
But they aren't giving the truth, they are giving their bias as well. I suspect we will find that humans DO in fact cause some of the climate change we have been seeing. The question is how much. The oil industry wants people to bleieve that humans cause ZERO effects and that simply is not true.
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CalGun said:
You acknowledge bias in the human race but seem to ignore it among those who support your political persuation.
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Show me where I have ignored it. I even stated BOTH sides have it, do you even read or do you just guess what you THINK people say. Go back and read my posts and you'll even see where I said BOTH sides have bias and even said Gore had bias.

This is the problem with you. You don't read posts, you just ASSume what people say. Try reading and it won't make you look foolish yet again like the last time when you said all I do is support Obama when I have many posts doing the opposite. You ran from that bet too.
 
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Middleground said:
Sounds pretty good to me. In fact, the technology has made leaps and bounds and will continue to improve.
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No where close.
 
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I love it when a redistributive lefty wants to hide behind the evils of their own. Pathetic but funny. Of course you admit al gore is a loser human profiteering off his junk science but that doesn't mean you don't believe in regulating, taxing and redistributing the wealth of others for junk sciency propelled by your friends in govt.


TheNextEra said:
Show me where I have ignored it. I even stated BOTH sides have it, do you even read or do you just guess what you THINK people say. Go back and read my posts and you'll even see where I said BOTH sides have bias and even said Gore had bias.

This is the problem with you. You don't read posts, you just ASSume what people say. Try reading and it won't make you look foolish yet again like the last time when you said all I do is support Obama when I have many posts doing the opposite. You ran from that bet too.
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CalGun said:
I love it when a redistributive lefty wants to hide behind the evils of their own. Pathetic but funny. Of course you admit al gore is a loser human profiteering off his junk science but that doesn't mean you don't believe in regulating, taxing and redistributing the wealth of others for junk sciency propelled by your friends in govt.
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Sure it does, I don't believe in those things. Care to show ANY of my posts that demonstrate what you claim? I didn't think so, you just like to spout of BS and lies without actually putting your money where your mouth is.

I even have a post that says while government can help, there comes a time when a product needs to succeed or fail on it's own. Of course you wouldn't bother to have read that, because all you have are lies.

Face it, you lied, got called on it, and now you just spout more lies. I gave you a bet, you ran like the little punk you are.
 
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