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One man's ObamaCare nightmare[W:51]

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When obamites lose it - its not pretty. Coherence is gone, logic out the window, and can't even recognize their own arguments. The really fun part is when they claim one thing and then present another - as in how their rates went down but will likely go up - duh.

obamafarce is taking from the working class and giving to those who don't bother to work for it - plain and simple. More liberals buying votes of their favored 47%.


notquiteright said:
More CONvoluted crap to try and spin your way out.

First MY premium costs were to show Humana is a crappy company for private insurance and I found MUCH better elsewhere... since the ACA has not gone into effect how can anyone have a new policy yet???? You just don't think, it is almost pure knee jerk CON crap.

ALL states 'regulate' profits, the so-called 80-20 law which got me a nice rebate check this year from Humana for failing to reinvest in the state's program for improving the process before I changed companies.

How else do you explain a 300% increase in the OP's policy AHEAD of ACA going into effect???? That was what YOU initially tried to blame on the ACA, well until it is pointed out the ACA has not gone into affect yet.... :shock:

I figured you was clueless on what healthcare costs and what it would take to self insure. We ALL work for our money, so the 'for my labor' is self stroking crap. When you do go to 36 hours welcome to my world and good luck!!!! (Does show how much the employers value their workers) Do you REALLY think Pappa John couldn't eat 5 cents a pizza/ tack on the nickle to show his workers how much he realizes without them he wouldn't have all he does- or is he telling them "I can get a dozen more just like ya at the drop of a hat"???

Seems your boss is giving you the same message as well.... :peace
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Mason66 said:
What I don't get is if a person makes a couple hundred thousand a year, why can't they pay for their own medical care?

Why do they need an all inclusive insurance plan?
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I think he is as phony as a three dollar bill.
 
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Mason66 said:
Do you think your insurance company on your car should pick up all costs associated with your car?

Gas, oil changes, wipers, brakes, and belt adjustments? How much do you think that insurance would cost?

Who is going to pay for the overage when your medical bills exceed your premiums?
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I think they are not the same. Health of a person is not equal to health of a car. I can live with your car dying, but I might actually care if a person dies due to lack of appropriate care.
 
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Boo Radley said:
I think they are not the same. Health of a person is not equal to health of a car. I can live with your car dying, but I might actually care if a person dies due to lack of appropriate care.
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And of course the government will supply that appropriate care!

LOL!

Well they'll supply the bureaucracy anyway, if that is a satisfactory substitute for actual health care..
 
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Mason66 said:
Doesn't it anger anyone here that Obama gave corporations a one year delay which means individuals will have to make up that money the corporations will not be paying?

How could costs possibly go down?
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They can't. They will never go down. The only thing that will go down is the quality of health care.
 
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Nothing is free. Where do you draw the line when it comes to giveaways by the government.....Should the government provide you with a job, with a car, with a home, with food? Liberals think they entitled to all these perks...Somebody has to pay for all these free giveaways.
 
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Boo Radley said:
if you want an article, I can certainly cite many.

You can certainly start here for an overview of misinformation:

PolitiFact | Health Care statements
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Hey look, a thing you read. These fact checks are becoming the shorthand for lazy arguments on all sides and in no way represent the truth on any given point.

I always love when politifact uses estimates from government agencies to show someone is not telling the "truth". Or entries like this one:

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For one, the program isn't even up and running yet so how can politi"fact" sort it out? Well, they try their hardest to define the terms for Obama, of course! "Stronger, better, more secure" was redefined as "helpful" so they could count stuff like insuring adults until they are 26 years old on their parents plan .. which is really not helpful at all unless you are one of the 26 year old sponges.

They also count the "pre-existing conditions" provision in the "helpful" category but forget to mention the limitations on that provision, or the fact that even though the provision only enrolled less than a third of the original estimate, it is already running out of money.

In other words, they grant Obama the "truth" on the emotional feel of these provisions but fail to dig into the provisions themselves and whether they actually function.

For some, this would be good place:

Health Care Reform and Medicare Myths vs. Facts - AARP
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So we start off this thread with people shooting the OP because the guy highlighted in the piece was an employee of an AARP competitor.... now you provide an AARP source as the "truth". It's baloney.

Look at how they word things in that supposed fact check.

MYTH 1: The new law cuts Medicare drastically, so I won't be able to get quality health care.

The Affordable Care Act (ACA) in fact prohibits cuts to guaranteed Medicare benefits. There are provisions in the law to help curb the soaring costs of Medicare, but savings will come from reining in unreasonable payments to providers.

What is "unreasonable"? What guarantees that the provider will continue providing the service for a reduced rate? It's political double speak.

In other words: "No, ACA won't be cutting benefits! It will only cut payments to providers! THEY will cut your benefits!" What utter twaddle...




For an academic view, you can start here:

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~nyhan/health-care-misinformation.pdf

Just let me know what you ant to know. :coffeepap
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You have provided a scholarly work about the role of misinformation in politics that touches on the ACA, but was published just a few weeks after the ACA was passed and YEARS before the program would be implemented. So what "misinformation" can there be about the effects of a program that is years away from being implemented? Nancy Pelosi hadn't even read it yet!
 
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j-mac said:
Beah? What unit were you in? What did you do in the military? What branch? Officer, or enlisted?
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I have no issue with posting my gross income year over year. Takes me all of 10 minutes to go into my gun room and get page 1 from each year. I put them in a stack each year when my accountant sends me my copy. I guarantee I pay more in taxes than you make in a year, and more probably pay twice in taxes than you make in a year. You get the board owner or a lawyer to take a bet and I will forward my SSN and copies, and I will put $100K on the bet that says I pay more in taxes than you claim as your gross income. Put up or shut up.

First I enlisted in Utah while in college and upon graduation from my undergrad moved back to CT and I was in the 103rd TCS in Orange CT and a 3POX1. I was called to active for Desert Shield / Desert Storm. I was then in the 94th Airlift at Dobbins ARB for 11 years. From there I moved back to NY (where I was born) and transferred into the 174th. Earlier this year I separated and went into the USAF Civil Air Patrol and I am learning how to fly Cessna 182's. CAP is at the 174th with the NY-135 and that's how I got turned on to CAP. I am in the NY-176.

You don't even have a clue what "independently wealthy is" because you are poor. It basically means you have enough in the bank to retire. I don't. I need my money to double one more time (and god willing I can double it twice). I waste time on boards because I am between client contracts. The only silliness here is food stamp licking armchair quarterbacks such as yourself that think you are carrying the weight of America with your laughable $30K or $60K salary. I have made more than that in a week back when SAP contracts paid $350/hr. Now they pay much less than that; but I have made upwards of $180K in a month before and I doubt highly you have ever made anywhere near that. That's why I have no problem making a $100K bet that you are a whining little nothing that actually doesn't carry anyone with your taxes. So before you go off again telling me how I want something for nothing, you better clue the heck in and realize I just want something back for all the money I spent carrying the likes of your sorry butt.
 
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Snappo said:
I have no issue with posting my gross income year over year. Takes me all of 10 minutes to go into my gun room and get page 1 from each year. I put them in a stack each year when my accountant sends me my copy. I guarantee I pay more in taxes than you make in a year, and more probably pay twice in taxes than you make in a year. You get the board owner or a lawyer to take a bet and I will forward my SSN and copies, and I will put $100K on the bet that says I pay more in taxes than you claim as your gross income. Put up or shut up.

First I enlisted in Utah while in college and upon graduation from my undergrad moved back to CT and I was in the 103rd TCS in Orange CT and a 3POX1. I was called to active for Desert Shield / Desert Storm. I was then in the 94th Airlift at Dobbins ARB for 11 years. From there I moved back to NY (where I was born) and transferred into the 174th. Earlier this year I separated and went into the USAF Civil Air Patrol and I am learning how to fly Cessna 182's. CAP is at the 174th with the NY-135 and that's how I got turned on to CAP. I am in the NY-176.

You don't even have a clue what "independently wealthy is" because you are poor. It basically means you have enough in the bank to retire. I don't. I need my money to double one more time (and god willing I can double it twice). I waste time on boards because I am between client contracts. The only silliness here is food stamp licking armchair quarterbacks such as yourself that think you are carrying the weight of America with your laughable $30K or $60K salary. I have made more than that in a week back when SAP contracts paid $350/hr. Now they pay much less than that; but I have made upwards of $180K in a month before and I doubt highly you have ever made anywhere near that. That's why I have no problem making a $100K bet that you are a whining little nothing that actually doesn't carry anyone with your taxes. So before you go off again telling me how I want something for nothing, you better clue the heck in and realize I just want something back for all the money I spent carrying the likes of your sorry butt.
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I hate it when someone in DP brags about how wealthy he or she is.......As far as JMAC goes you are clueless about his income.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Nothing is free. Where do you draw the line when it comes to giveaways by the government.....Should the government provide you with a job, with a car, with a home, with food? Liberals think they entitled to all these perks...Somebody has to pay for all these free giveaways.
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And the whiners that are at the bottom of the food chain always cry the loudest when those of us that pay out the nose for giveaways want something back for once. That pisses me the heck off. The top 10% of wage earners in USA pay something like 90% of the taxes. We get robbed because we don't have enough voting power. If people got one vote for each $1K they paid in taxes that would be much fairer and things would change in USA for the better. My wife makes one stupid COBRA payment late and now I can't get coverage and have to worry about getting Tricare or Obamacare. And I have to hear from losers saying Obamacare should be repealed because it might affect the $5K or $10K they pay in taxes each year. I get stuck paying that every month in taxes and it's about time someone in Washington gave back something. These insurance companies make money hand over fist; and while that may be fine for my mutual funds it's still a ripoff that they charge $1K to $2K a month and most of your life these companies give you absolutely nothing for it. Peace of mind at best and not even that. If I do one $100 well care visit a year to my MD that's a lot. And a tooth cleaning. Big whoop. I pay what - $15K a year for that? I'm reading Obamacare is going to be $350 a month for the same quality of service. Seems legit to me.
 
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Navy Pride said:
I hate it when someone in DP brags about how wealthy he or she is.......As far as JMAC goes you are clueless about his income.
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Who cares what you hate. Tell your little buddy to put his wallet where his big fat mouth is. If he is really carrying folks like he says he is, he should have no problem coughing up page 1 of his 1040's for the past 10 or 20 years. Then we would know he was really carrying people and he would get an apology. Until then, it's me carrying him and he is a liar.
 
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Snappo said:
And the whiners that are at the bottom of the food chain always cry the loudest when those of us that pay out the nose for giveaways want something back for once. That pisses me the heck off. The top 10% of wage earners in USA pay something like 90% of the taxes. We get robbed because we don't have enough voting power. If people got one vote for each $1K they paid in taxes that would be much fairer and things would change in USA for the better. My wife makes one stupid COBRA payment late and now I can't get coverage and have to worry about getting Tricare or Obamacare. And I have to hear from losers saying Obamacare should be repealed because it might affect the $5K or $10K they pay in taxes each year. I get stuck paying that every month in taxes and it's about time someone in Washington gave back something. These insurance companies make money hand over fist; and while that may be fine for my mutual funds it's still a ripoff that they charge $1K to $2K a month and most of your life these companies give you absolutely nothing for it. Peace of mind at best and not even that. If I do one $100 well care visit a year to my MD that's a lot. And a tooth cleaning. Big whoop. I pay what - $15K a year for that? I'm reading Obamacare is going to be $350 a month for the same quality of service. Seems legit to me.
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If it were me I would not believe anything that snake oil salesman tells you.
 
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Snappo said:
Who cares what you hate. Tell your little buddy to put his wallet where his big fat mouth is. If he is really carrying folks like he says he is, he should have no problem coughing up page 1 of his 1040's for the past 10 or 20 years. Then we would know he was really carrying people and he would get an apology. Until then, it's me carrying him and he is a liar.
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Another lefty hiding as a Libertarian.
 
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Navy Pride said:
If it were me I would not believe anything that snake oil salesman tells you.
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It ain't you. And I'm thinking that Associated Press ad Reuters aren't liars. In 6 days I am eligible for Obamacare instead of doing Tricare Standard or giving BCBS $20K a year. I know I won't get any kind of subsidy and I don't want one - I just want some insurance company to have to insure me, my wife, and the five kids I still have under age 25 (minus the one son who is USMC) and not beat me out of $1.5K to $2K a month and yet tell me they aren't gonna pay for my wife's diabetes medicine.

Obamacare's average monthly cost across U.S.: $328
Reuters - Americans will pay an average premium of $328 monthly for a mid-tier health insurance plan when the Obamacare health exchanges open for enrollment next week
 
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Navy Pride said:
Another lefty hiding as a Libertarian.
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No way you were in USN. In USN you have to be able to read and comprehend. Your ASVAB's wouldn't have been high enough for you to get in. Maybe you think you were USN because you saw Popeye on TV at the orphanage. But here in the real world, your little buddy should put up or shut up. And it's funny to see a GOPtard who believes in skydaddies going after Libertarians and thinking he can insult them by saying they are DNC. I would be surprised if you even know what those three parties were. I'm already shocked you found out how to operate a web browser.
 
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Grant said:
And of course the government will supply that appropriate care!

LOL!

Well they'll supply the bureaucracy anyway, if that is a satisfactory substitute for actual health care..
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Government doesn't supply care. Health care professionals do. You have it all ass backwards.
 
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jmotivator said:
You have provided a scholarly work about the role of misinformation in politics that touches on the ACA, but was published just a few weeks after the ACA was passed and YEARS before the program would be implemented. So what "misinformation" can there be about the effects of a program that is years away from being implemented? Nancy Pelosi hadn't even read it yet!
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I can give you newer stuff as well. It has always been misinformation.
 
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Snappo said:
It ain't you. And I'm thinking that Associated Press ad Reuters aren't liars. In 6 days I am eligible for Obamacare instead of doing Tricare Standard or giving BCBS $20K a year. I know I won't get any kind of subsidy and I don't want one - I just want some insurance company to have to insure me, my wife, and the five kids I still have under age 25 (minus the one son who is USMC) and not beat me out of $1.5K to $2K a month and yet tell me they aren't gonna pay for my wife's diabetes medicine.

Obamacare's average monthly cost across U.S.: $328
Reuters - Americans will pay an average premium of $328 monthly for a mid-tier health insurance plan when the Obamacare health exchanges open for enrollment next week
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what part of do you not understand that the media worships Obama?
 
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Boo Radley said:
Government doesn't supply care. Health care professionals do. You have it all ass backwards.
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Yhe Government will be between you and your doctor......No thanks.
 
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Snappo said:
No way you were in USN. In USN you have to be able to read and comprehend. Your ASVAB's wouldn't have been high enough for you to get in. Maybe you think you were USN because you saw Popeye on TV at the orphanage. But here in the real world, your little buddy should put up or shut up. And it's funny to see a GOPtard who believes in skydaddies going after Libertarians and thinking he can insult them by saying they are DNC. I would be surprised if you even know what those three parties were. I'm already shocked you found out how to operate a web browser.
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well the Navy has been paying over 2,000 a month for the last 35 years so believe what you like my left wing friend.....One thing I won't do is discredit your service.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Yhe Government will be between you and your doctor......No thanks.
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Not as much as your insurance company. So, that tried old weak sound bite is useless as an argument.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Not as much as your insurance company. So, that tried old weak sound bite is useless as an argument.
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I have far more choice in my insurance company.
 
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