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Quinn: I’d Consider Using National Guard, State Police To Help Chicago

SBu said:
It's already been set during crises and emergencies. It's up to the governor and mayor to determine if the crisis in south Chicago qualifies.
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The parameters of there mission would be significantly different. Also, because they've been used before in a certain capacity does not translate into an automatic acceptance for the expanding of their usage.
 
ChezC3 said:
The rise of the Police State begins...

Is this guy a complete moron?

You send IL National Guard to places like Iraq and Afghanistan and then you want to put them in an American city???? Are you out of your rabid ass mind?!?!?!?!?
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It sounds to me like he's essentially just too chicken**** to address the real and serious problems on the streets of Chicago. We, as a society, created this phenomenon with our social policies, but we collectively refuse to deal with the result, or stop the causative factors, because we can't stand to take a hard stance against the cultural problems in the inner city areas of the country. Because of that, we will continue to see rampant crime rates, cop-free zones, where even law enforcement is afraid to go, and the deep divisions in this country, between right and left, will continue on.
 
ChezC3 said:
The parameters of there mission would be significantly different. Also, because they've been used before in a certain capacity does not translate into an automatic acceptance for the expanding of their usage.
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What do you think the parameters of their mission would be?
 
SBu said:
It's already been set during crises and emergencies. It's up to the governor and mayor to determine if the crisis in south Chicago qualifies.
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If the Gov. brings in outside forces to control the situation, he will have to admit his pólice forcé failed.

Is he willing to do that?
 
SBu said:
What do you think the parameters of their mission would be?
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Not the same as they are in a foreign country dealing with foreign hostiles. This will be a complete cluster cluck of a cockadoodle doo..

Daley wiped out Gangster City a few decades ago, didn't need the NG for that, did he? I'm telling you something nefarious is in the works, and no this isn't a conspiracy theory.

No further evidence is needed to keep the NG from this type of action than the Kent State Massacre. (notice the period at the end of that sentence.)
 
ChezC3 said:
Not the same as they are in a foreign country dealing with foreign hostiles. This will be a complete cluster cluck of a cockadoodle doo..

Daley wiped out Gangster City a few decades ago, didn't need the NG for that, did he? I'm telling you something nefarious is in the works, and no this isn't a conspiracy theory.

No further evidence is needed to keep the NG from this type of action than the Kent State Massacre. (notice the period at the end of that sentence.)
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You will see pictures of zombies in tin foil hats presented to you, shortly.
 
Unless there's some sort of open revolt, there isn't a need for the National Guard.
 
Mason66 said:
If the Gov. brings in outside forces to control the situation, he will have to admit his pólice forcé failed.

Is he willing to do that?
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I think the facts speak for themselves that the police can't change a culture unless they are on every street corner (presence) and actively go after criminals. Doesn't matter what he's willing to admit, it's clear isn't it?
 
ChezC3 said:
Not the same as they are in a foreign country dealing with foreign hostiles. This will be a complete cluster cluck of a cockadoodle doo..

Daley wiped out Gangster City a few decades ago, didn't need the NG for that, did he? I'm telling you something nefarious is in the works, and no this isn't a conspiracy theory.

No further evidence is needed to keep the NG from this type of action than the Kent State Massacre. (notice the period at the end of that sentence.)
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Again, I think we agree generally that the NG shouldn't be the primary tool here. Where we disagree is that if they bring them in, what effects that would have. I see you're there so you know better than I how bad it is on the south side. By all accounts, however, it is like a war zone. So bad, in fact, that it interferes with normal activities like getting to school for children etc. Does this rise to a state of emergency? Not my call.

I would say that the NG would not be clearing people out of the area as in the Kent State Massacre. Their function would probably be to be present and conspicuously visible, and call in suspected crimes or suspicious behavior. I would envision something more like how they functioned in the aftermath of Katrina. Of course you are right that there's no way to predict what the genie in the bottle would look like when out of the bottle, but I do know that those members are some of the most professional people on the planet.
 
j-mac said:
Chicago is as bad or worse than Kabul. They have to restore law. Either that or loosen gun ownership laws so that the law abiding have a chance.
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Oh yeah, suicide bombers run amok in Chicago, there are people driving explosive laced trucks into police stations, children are walking up to cruisers with C4 vests - or not.
 
SBu said:
Again, I think we agree generally that the NG shouldn't be the primary tool here. Where we disagree is that if they bring them in, what effects that would have. I see you're there so you know better than I how bad it is on the south side. By all accounts, however, it is like a war zone. So bad, in fact, that it interferes with normal activities like getting to school for children etc. Does this rise to a state of emergency? Not my call.

I would say that the NG would not be clearing people out of the area as in the Kent State Massacre. Their function would probably be to be present and conspicuously visible, and call in suspected crimes or suspicious behavior. I would envision something more like how they functioned in the aftermath of Katrina. Of course you are right that there's no way to predict what the genie in the bottle would look like when out of the bottle, but I do know that those members are some of the most professional people on the planet.
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I don't think you truly understand the mentality of the people involved. You're going to see the NG provoked into action, and it isn't going to be pretty.

Here's some background of what's going on by knowing what went on and know it got handled, WITHOUT the NG

Gangland - Gangster City - YouTube


Also, as I said, this isn't a precedence you want to set. No military presence should be used for civilian domestic matters. None.
 
ChezC3 said:
I don't think you truly understand the mentality of the people involved. You're going to see the NG provoked into action, and it isn't going to be pretty.

Here's some background of what's going on by knowing what went on and know it got handled, WITHOUT the NG

Gangland - Gangster City - YouTube


Also, as I said, this isn't a precedence you want to set. No military presence should be used for civilian domestic matters. None.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. So you're not concerned that the NG will be a loose cannon necessarily (as I maybe have been mistaking your argument), you seem to be saying that they will be provoked into action by criminal elements, and things could get out of control from there? Is that about right?

I pulled up the video, but it's late here and I'll have to watch the 45 minute piece some other time. Maybe you could share some of the big points for time's sake.
 
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This time is like no other Chez.
I've been outfront wanting the NG to backup the City Police who would go in.
Once control is established on a block, NG takes over that block and Police move to the next.
I also support CC for the honest folks up where you live and down here. Go Bears.
ChezC3 said:
I don't think you truly understand the mentality of the people involved. You're going to see the NG provoked into action, and it isn't going to be pretty.

Here's some background of what's going on by knowing what went on and know it got handled, WITHOUT the NG

Gangland - Gangster City - YouTube


Also, as I said, this isn't a precedence you want to set. No military presence should be used for civilian domestic matters. None.
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ChezC3 said:
Not the same as they are in a foreign country dealing with foreign hostiles. This will be a complete cluster cluck of a cockadoodle doo..

Daley wiped out Gangster City a few decades ago, didn't need the NG for that, did he? I'm telling you something nefarious is in the works, and no this isn't a conspiracy theory.

No further evidence is needed to keep the NG from this type of action than the Kent State Massacre. (notice the period at the end of that sentence.)
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What about when Daley jr tore down The Robert Taylor Buildings.....didn't use any NG. Immediately reduced the significance of the Bangers down in that area. Course pretty much all else too.

Quinn may consider it.....but I doubt he wants to hand over a city to the Military. Not a smart move. Moreover if they just go by area. Say the South Side. The bangers and negative element will just move their business elsewhere.
 
Which is why these roaches need to be exterminated once and for all.
As they are moved out of one area, we need a search-strike-destroy attitude on all the banger rats who flee.
MMC said:
What about when Daley jr tore down The Robert Taylor Buildings.....didn't use any NG. Immediately reduced the significance of the Bangers down in that area. Course pretty much all else too.

Quinn may consider it.....but I doubt he wants to hand over a city to the Military. Not a smart move. Moreover if they just go by area. Say the South Side. The bangers and negative element will just move their business elsewhere.
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ChezC3 said:
I don't think you truly understand the mentality of the people involved. You're going to see the NG provoked into action, and it isn't going to be pretty.

Here's some background of what's going on by knowing what went on and know it got handled, WITHOUT the NG

Gangland - Gangster City - YouTube


Also, as I said, this isn't a precedence you want to set. No military presence should be used for civilian domestic matters. None.
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Yeah, and then add the rest. Of course the Kings and their ties to Guzman, who deal not just in drugs but Military weapons and Ordinance.

Street gangs in Chicago, Illinois | StreetGangs.Com
 
NIMBY said:
Which is why these roaches need to be exterminated once and for all.
As they are moved out of one area, we need a search-strike-destroy attitude on all the banger rats who flee.
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Yeah, well the Nation Guard is the US Army and you don't want the US Army in a US City. We were given the scenario a while back with the Movie the Siege with Bruce Willis and Annette Bening with Denzel Washington. It was pretty close to what will take place.

 
SBu said:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. So you're not concerned that the NG will be a loose cannon necessarily (as I maybe have been mistaking your argument), you seem to be saying that they will be provoked into action by criminal elements, and things could get out of control from there? Is that about right?

I pulled up the video, but it's late here and I'll have to watch the 45 minute piece some other time. Maybe you could share some of the big points for time's sake.
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I'm concerned about the whole damn thing. The NG aren't trained to police civilians and these civilians don't give a rat's ass about shooting up cops or whoever else comes their way.

The bottom line of the video is that it showed two extreme areas which now are no more and it was taken care of without the NG.

Does anyone stop to think why Rahm dissolved the Gang Task force? Why every so often before or after another shoot'em up some politician or local figure is calling for Homeland or the NG or some other military force?

and isn't it convenient that the man who is POTUS whose former CoS, now Mayor of the City both of them come from called for a domestic military organization to be developed and equipped to handle these vary tasks with the firepower of the US military, is everyone a little cagoots :screwy or is everyone else not seeing the writing on the wall?
 
MMC said:
What about when Daley jr tore down The Robert Taylor Buildings.....didn't use any NG. Immediately reduced the significance of the Bangers down in that area. Course pretty much all else too.

Quinn may consider it.....but I doubt he wants to hand over a city to the Military. Not a smart move. Moreover if they just go by area. Say the South Side. The bangers and negative element will just move their business elsewhere.
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It sent them to Park Forest and Richton Park, to the Heights, and down to Kankakee and them parts...
 
NIMBY said:
This time is like no other Chez.
I've been outfront wanting the NG to backup the City Police who would go in.
Once control is established on a block, NG takes over that block and Police move to the next.
I also support CC for the honest folks up where you live and down here. Go Bears.
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I hear that every 10 years, these kids, they're a new breed, they craaaaaazy, yada yada yada...

Put a gun in every home, allow Castle and SyG laws to pass and watch the streets clean themselves, hell half the honest folk walk around with a pocket pistol, might as well make it legal and encourage it.

You don't want the military policing citizens, I can only say this so many times...
 
ChezC3 said:
I'm concerned about the whole damn thing. The NG aren't trained to police civilians and these civilians don't give a rat's ass about shooting up cops or whoever else comes their way.

The bottom line of the video is that it showed two extreme areas which now are no more and it was taken care of without the NG.

Does anyone stop to think why Rahm dissolved the Gang Task force? Why every so often before or after another shoot'em up some politician or local figure is calling for Homeland or the NG or some other military force?

and isn't it convenient that the man who is POTUS whose former CoS, now Mayor of the City both of them come from called for a domestic military organization to be developed and equipped to handle these vary tasks with the firepower of the US military, is everyone a little cagoots :screwy or is everyone else not seeing the writing on the wall?
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Not too familiar with the local politics there, maybe you could explain what you believe the motivations are. The whole thing seems like a big mess. Why would Rahm dissolve the gang task force? That seems dumb for a city like Chicago.
 
ChezC3 said:
I'm concerned about the whole damn thing. The NG aren't trained to police civilians and these civilians don't give a rat's ass about shooting up cops or whoever else comes their way.

The bottom line of the video is that it showed two extreme areas which now are no more and it was taken care of without the NG.

Does anyone stop to think why Rahm dissolved the Gang Task force? Why every so often before or after another shoot'em up some politician or local figure is calling for Homeland or the NG or some other military force?

and isn't it convenient that the man who is POTUS whose former CoS, now Mayor of the City both of them come from called for a domestic military organization to be developed and equipped to handle these vary tasks with the firepower of the US military, is everyone a little cagoots :screwy or is everyone else not seeing the writing on the wall?
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Heya Chez.....Emanuel didn't stop them he had them combined with the Feds. Came online February this year. They came up with using the RICO's to go after the bangers now too.

Chicago Drug Task Force Targets Cartel 'Choke Points'.....

Seventy federal agents, police officers, and prosecutors recently started working there in what authorities say is a first-of-its-kind drug-fighting headquarters.

It brings together the federal Drug Enforcement Administration; the FBI; the Internal Revenue Service; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives; the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration, and Customs Enforcement; the U.S. Marshals Service; Chicago and suburban police; and federal and state prosecutors.

Working together around the clock, the aim is to end agency rivalries and miscommunications that can hurt investigations, Chicago DEA boss Jack Riley says.....snip~


Police Magazine
 
ChezC3 said:
It sent them to Park Forest and Richton Park, to the Heights, and down to Kankakee and them parts...
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Yeah, I know into the suburbs and then also into Hammond and Gary Indiana.
 
ChezC3 said:
Emanuel announces that he will reassign 500 Chicago police officers to beat-cop positions. - Chicago Tribune
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Yeah I know.....plus they want these Cops to start taking responsibility for the areas they are living in too. Moreover the split the city into North South and East and West Sides.


West Cook task force increases gun, drug arrests
WEDGE helps officers work together in near west suburbs

WEDGE task force increases gun and drug arrests - Chicago Tribune

Gang members charged with gun, drug trafficking
Gang members charged with gun, drug trafficking - Chicago Tribune

Gang Unit

The Lake County Sheriff’s Gang Unit is comprised of seven Detectives and a HIDTA National Guard Intelligence officer.

Covering all of Lake County, the Gang Unit's primary responsibility is focusing on criminal gang activity, identifying gang members and their territories, investigating drive-by shootings and deterring drug usage and sales by identifying and targeting known drug houses through interdiction.

The Gang Unit works co-operatively with the Lake County Drug Task Force, the Lake County Tactical Team and several Federal Agencies in its on-going gang related investigations.

Lake County Sheriff - Lake County Sheriff
 
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