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House Bill Defunds Health Care

greengirl77 said:
Hmmmm the biggest grower of government the last 30 years has been Republicans??? You have me so confused
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One must beware the socialists in both parties. The Establishment Republicans are only a little less bad than all of the Democrats.
 
Misterveritis said:
One must beware the socialists in both parties. The Establishment Republicans are only a little less bad than all of the Democrats.
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The term "RINO" has for a long time been sort of a cutesy invective - but since Obama it has taken on truly despicable proportions.
 
Deuce said:
If and when the GOP is voted enough power to repeal the law, they can feel free to do that.

Until then, they are holding the American people hostage in order to take legislative power the voters have not given them. Actually shutting down the government over this will hand the Democrats yet more electoral victories, and if the GOP thinks otherwise they're delusional.
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Govt requires consent. The people elected Republicans to the House who dont consent. Its pretty simple. If the Democrats want funding for all their dependants, then they need to give the GOP something.
 
OhIsee.Then said:

So if the hospital kicks you out of their facility because they have decided you can't or won't pay and the ambulance decides the same thing and you're told to leave their property what do you do. Oh, that's right, you die at the curb. Your family can't sue because it's only up to the hospital judgment as you suggest. Neat environment you want to live in. I'll consider it. Thanks.
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Thats exactly what I said. Youre welcome.
 
Slyhunter said:
Government health care is the only viable alternative for those who can't afford their own health care. The other choice is to let them die in the street.
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No, there's charity and work. But I dont think you would have disagreement if the point of all this was to only take of those who couldnt afford care. But since its about total federal control of health care and buying votes, people are naturally upset.
 
EdwinWillers said:
The term "RINO" has for a long time been sort of a cutesy invective - but since Obama it has taken on truly despicable proportions.
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Read the Republican platform. I would say they are acting exactly like Republicans. Instead they are CINOs.
 
EdwinWillers said:
The term "RINO" has for a long time been sort of a cutesy invective - but since Obama it has taken on truly despicable proportions.
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The Rhino is a magnificent beast. I prefer SQRLS - Status Quo Republican Losers (or Liberals--take your pick).
 
jonny5 said:
Read the Republican platform. I would say they are acting exactly like Republicans. Instead they are CINOs.
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"Conservatives" in name only?
 
jonny5 said:
Read the Republican platform. I would say they are acting exactly like Republicans. Instead they are CINOs.
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Actually, that's a good challenge. I just downloaded it - it's rather long so will take some time to read it.

Is there anything specific in it to which you're referencing?
 
Let me tell you guys something else about the way mandatory health care in Massachusetts. A lot of jobs here are categorized as "temporary" jobs. We have tons of temp agencies, and a lot of companies only hire employees through these agencies.

I think that has a LOT to do with the health care bill. I imagine there will be a lot more businesses only hiring employees on a temporary basis because of this. I think that's one of the negative unintentional consequences that will occur because of Obama care.

I don't understand why they refuse to do tort reform. Malpractice insurance for just a private physician costs over 150,000 dollars a year. Imagine what it costs a hospital, a surgeon? :shock: THAT is one of the main reasons we have to pay so much for healthcare services.

This entire bill is just useless. Basically it just forces you to buy insurance from anyone, some businesses are getting waivers, more people are going to be on the Medicaid roles. This entire monstrosity of a bill certainly does not address some of the most expensive problems of our health care system.
 
EdwinWillers said:
Actually, that's a good challenge. I just downloaded it - it's rather long so will take some time to read it.

Is there anything specific in it to which you're referencing?
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Just look at the theme of the whole thing. Its mostly about using big govt to solve peoples problems.
 
Imagine the boost that would be given to business if the burden of health care were to be lifted off of the shoulders of employers.

Imagine what such an action would do to employment figures.

It would be better than any tax break could ever be, and could even end the recession without a huge infusion of government money.
 
jonny5 said:
Just look at the theme of the whole thing. Its mostly about using big govt to solve peoples problems.
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Ah, gotcha - yeah, no argument there. Basic faulty premise.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Imagine the boost that would be given to business if the burden of health care were to be lifted off of the shoulders of employers.

Imagine what such an action would do to employment figures.

It would be better than any tax break could ever be, and could even end the recession without a huge infusion of government money.
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No doubt. But it also raises the issue of how we got into this mess in the first place with employment-based healthcare. It never ceases to amaze me the truism that government is the only entity that propagates itself by proposing solutions to problems it first created, with new solutions that will eventually need solutions themselves - thereby ensuring the continual need for, and growth of government.
 
AngryOldGuy said:
not even close but the guy that stitched me up was way over qualified he was a real deal trauma surgeon who'd just transferred to that ER several weeks before from the Mexican cartel warzone in west Phoenix he said he'd gotten tired of digging rounds out of gang bangers or not being able to save five and six year old children shot in the head by stray rounds from drive-by shootings. A Nurse Practitioner could have dealt with my injury but the place was deserted so he handled it, it wasn't long after that in Phoenix that most of the ER's in those parts of town closed because they were flooded with non-paying illegals.
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I'm quite familiar with Phoenix. I've been in several ER's there. I've seen the Illegals in them. I've hired Illegals too. An example: Paddock Pools, they had placed a small sign in the front yard, was re-plastering a pool across the street and I needed the same service. I went over to 'chat' with them and found that none were direct Paddock employees. A truck had the Paddock name on it, but other equipment was not marked. I contracted directly with them to do my pool. There was one American, not a Paddock employee, he delivered the plaster and provided some translation, when they did my pool. A great job was done. Now what American was left out? Gee, Paddock getting the approximate 50% profit for providing the same workers for my pool. So, if I contracted with Paddock and one of the Illegals was injured on my project who would have paid for their treatment? Paddock? BTW Paddock has been doing pools for over 50 years. So you are paying for Paddock, etc. 'employees' ER care.
Keeping the Illegals out would require a complete culture change in Phoenix. The costs of getting a lot of things done would go up a lot. A lot of conservatives use Illegals in their businesses; just a bit hypocritical.
 
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Misterveritis said:
One must beware the socialists in both parties. The Establishment Republicans are only a little less bad than all of the Democrats.
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More nutty talk from the rightwing. I guess thats the new scare word "Socialist". Funny thing is we have many forms of socialism that the Reoublicans just love its called the Military.
 
EdwinWillers said:
Ah, gotcha - yeah, no argument there. Basic faulty premise.
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Right, so to the extent that Republicans are following the platform, they arent RINOs. People are just upset becuase they are no longer idealistic conservatives. So I call them CINOs. THey say they are conservative, but they arent. They are Republicans.
 
greengirl77 said:
More nutty talk from the rightwing. I guess thats the new scare word "Socialist". Funny thing is we have many forms of socialism that the Reoublicans just love its called the Military.
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The purpose of the military is not to redistribute wealth, so its not socialist. You should have chosen social security, medicare, etc. These are actual socialist programs which Republicans generally support.
 
greengirl77 said:
More nutty talk from the rightwing. I guess thats the new scare word "Socialist". Funny thing is we have many forms of socialism that the Reoublicans just love its called the Military.
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Methinks before one calls their opponent's talk "nutty" they should consider their own talk first (and grammar, and spelling, and punctuation).

I, for one, would love to hear the explanation how the military is "many forms of socialism."
 
EdwinWillers said:
Methinks before one calls their opponent's talk "nutty" they should consider their own talk first (and grammar, and spelling, and punctuation).

I, for one, would love to hear the explanation how the military is "many forms of socialism."
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The military is not socialistic and certainly not democratic.
It follows an ancient business style called 'heroic management".
The fellow at the top makes all the important decisions.
Lower ranking officers implement those decisions and make the decisions on how to accomplish the mission. The lowest ranking officers and noncoms, obey orders and decide how to deal with the changing situation moment to moment, to accomplish the mission and get back home, hopefully.

No committees! :D
No discussion. Obey the last order you are given.
 
yobarnacle said:
The military is not socialistic and certainly not democratic.
It follows an ancient business style called 'heroic management".
The fellow at the top makes all the important decisions.
Lower ranking officers implement those decisions and make the decisions on how to accomplish the mission. The lowest ranking officers and noncoms, obey orders and decide how to deal with the changing situation moment to moment, to accomplish the mission and get back home, hopefully.

No committees! :D
No discussion. Obey the last order you are given.
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LOL Ahyup. Try to disobey, just once - and see what happens.

Can you imagine waging war by committee? I mean.... other than how Obama does it; we know how "well" that works. ;)
 
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