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House Bill Defunds Health Care

consent of the governed Pffft
 
ocean515 said:
No, I'd think any rational review of the Republicans objection to Obamacare would find the concern is not that it will be a success, but as the Obama Administration has proved through all it's waivers and wave offs, it will be the disaster that has been predicted.
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Just remember whose idea the ACA was before Mr. Obama proposed it.
 
Shadow Serious said:
And I am responding to people who want to blame the Republicans for their action. Turn about is fair play after all.
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But I'm not one of those, at least not in this thread, so I'm not real sure why you are debating with me.
shrubnose said:
The USA will survive, but I don't believe that the GOP will still be around very long.
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The GOP isn't going anywhere. While I have basically no use or respect for the party itself, to think it's going to be reduced to a footnote in history is simply false.
 
Why isn't anyone talking about the "bi-partisan vote" in the House? :lol:
Meet the two Democrats who voted to defund Obamacare | The Daily Caller

And why are so many convinced this thing is going to go down in the Senate? If it gets filibustered as Cruz promises, that means they are going to need 60 votes.
Eighteen Democratic U.S. Senators and senators-elect sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid last year calling for a “delay in the implementation” of the medical device tax in Obamacare.
18 Democratic senators buck Harry Reid on Obamacare tax | The Daily Caller
And what about the Democrat Senators that have come out calling the implementation "a real disaster" including the key author of the bill.
As the Obamacare disaster rolls along, it's Democrats, not Republicans, who are expressing doubts over the bill. First, co-Obamacare author and Democratic Senator Max Baucus called it a train wreck. Then last week after the administration said it would postpone the employer mandate for a year, Democratic Senator Tom Harkin questioned the legality of the delay and now, California Democrat and Insurance Commissioner David Jones is warning the new exchanges could lead to rampant identity theft and fraud.
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Another Democrat Calls ObamaCare Implementation a "Real Disaster" - Katie Pavlich

What will more than likely happen is there will be an offer to delay implementation of the bill and possibly defund parts of it until they address specific issues. And hopefully that delay will be long enough to change the face of the Senate and a regime change in the White House.:mrgreen:
 
vesper said:
Why isn't anyone talking about the "bi-partisan vote" in the House? :lol:
Meet the two Democrats who voted to defund Obamacare | The Daily Caller

And why are so many convinced this thing is going to go down in the Senate? If it gets filibustered as Cruz promises, that means they are going to need 60 votes.
Eighteen Democratic U.S. Senators and senators-elect sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid last year calling for a “delay in the implementation” of the medical device tax in Obamacare.
18 Democratic senators buck Harry Reid on Obamacare tax | The Daily Caller
And what about the Democrat Senators that have come out calling the implementation "a real disaster" including the key author of the bill.

Another Democrat Calls ObamaCare Implementation a "Real Disaster" - Katie Pavlich

What will more than likely happen is there will be an offer to delay implementation of the bill and possibly defund parts of it until they address specific issues. And hopefully that delay will be long enough to change the face of the Senate and a regime change in the White House.:mrgreen:
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One republican votes againist the bill, so does that mean the opposition to the bill was bipartisan
 
EdwinWillers said:
Again with the sappy emotionalism! Put a sock in it for a moment (please) and tell me now where THAT argument fit into the original push for government-run health care?

But before you answer that question - please answer my first one: What makes you think the federal government is the proper entity to do this? What? Or, why MUST we accept the Democrat premise that government-run health care is the ONLY way to "fix" ____________? Insert 1) pre-existing conditions. 2) Affordablility. 3) Guarantee of life-saving treatment.

Seriously, you need to answer that question. Why do you accept the government's premise that it, and it alone is capable of quelling all your fears surrounding your health care, that you (and I) MUST accept this premise??
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Becuase they offered it and the Republicans had no ideas, the thing that gets me is this was a problem back in 2000 and Bush and the Republicans went on a war rampage and dumped a couple of trillion dollars chasing their tail. Now they want to cry foul.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
One republican votes againist the bill, so does that mean the opposition to the bill was bipartisan
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Nope. The lone Republican voted No because he opposes continuing resolutions, stop gap bills like this one which funds the government for months at a time. The two Democrats that voted yes, voted against Obamacare from the beginning.
 
Shadow Serious said:
We won't but these are things that can be done instead of having a system that is going to be run by the most hated department in this country. When rationing occurs and it will occur there will be riots over this and that department will experience the Peoples wrath.

The ACA is bad law we need to look over options that do not require government taking over the health care system.
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I'm sorry, do you even understand what the ACA is? What it is not what you are suggesting; a system run by "most hated department in the country" The ACA is not a government take over of healthcare. .... Also, don't you know health care rationing already exists in the country? It rationed according to dollars and insurance companies already have "death panels" that decide what gets covered and what does not.

Its fine to debate healthcare reform. Its fine to hate the ACA... but to have such opinion, you need to rise above ignorance...

Ya gotta know the issues to have relevant opinion.
 
The extension is passed. Now, if it gets stopped along the way, because it doesn't include somebodies pet project, who is to blame?
 
You may have been in high school at the time but there was this little thing we called 9-11
 
yobarnacle said:
The extension is passed. Now, if it gets stopped along the way, because it doesn't include somebodies pet project, who is to blame?
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It's always gonna be the fault of of the powerless GOP?
 
yobarnacle said:
The extension is passed. Now, if it gets stopped along the way, because it doesn't include somebodies pet project, who is to blame?
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Republicans have voted 40 times to defund the affordable care act.

I would understand shutting down the government over somthing like the NSA or the patroit act, but this obsession with defunding the affordable care act is turning the Republican Party into a single issue party like the prohibition party.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Republicans have voted 40 times to defund the affordable care act.

I would understand shutting down the government over somthing like the NSA or the patroit act, but this obsession with defunding the affordable care act is turning the Republican Party into a single issue party like the prohibition party.
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I think it's because the American people don't WANT Obama care. And I don't think the GOP will suffer because of it because almost everybody is mad at Obama for those OTHER crimes. They want to see him HURT! Not physically, but his programs defunded, and serious lame duckedness following!
Too bad all of that stuff didn't come out before 2012.
 
Deuce said:
It's an effort to usurp legislative power that the GOP does not possess, and the general public is going to realize that. Anyone who blames this potential shutdown on Democrats is already a partisan hack and their opinion was never going to change on the subject.
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Actually it's an attempt to exercise legislative power that they DO have. Last time I checked, Dems were the ones who passed this bill (ACA) without even reading in the first place. If it were not for that, we wouldn't be in this predicament. As it is, we now have a healthcare system that is almost fully implemented that hurts the country. It is far more expensive, exclusionary, and oppressive than was advertised. In addition, it's putting Americans out of work. Had THAT not happened, the House would have no such beef to pick.
You speak of this as an outsider. I don't get paid if they shut the gov't down. Yet, I still support it. The ACA is a disaster and needs to at least be delayed a year so it can be vetted further. That is a compromise Pres Obama and the Senate could make. They won't do so though. They know they are in danger during the next few election cycles and do not want the ACA to still be in jeopardy while the GOP controls both branches of Congress or possible the House and the Presidency. That is what this is about.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The Senate will not pass this bill, and the leaders of the House know it. All they are doing is playing political games.
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How is it a "political game"? The disaster called Obamacare is preventing people from getting jobs and regulating many others to part time job status. Not to mention many people losing the insurance they already had or making insurance to expensive to get or keep.

If the Dems insist on destroying Americans future with this disaster law they passed, they can and will pay the price again at the voting booth. For the GOP, this disaster law that the Dems are totally and completely responsible for, it's the gift that just keeps on giving. Either way, defunding of the disaster Obamacare or GOP gains in the Senate, America wins.
 
jonny5 said:
Your sob story has nothing to do with what is legal. Your govt does not have the power to require that a hospital (and therefore ME) provide healthcare.
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So before you get care for a heart attack you must prove that you can and will pay for your care? Describe the process for that. Thanks.
 
ocean515 said:
Chess is battle of wills and strategy. I'm not convinced the current Republican leadership is willing to see a government shutdown, nor is it willing to allow the MSM to spin the cause should it come to that.
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If the government is shut down congress will still receive their salaries, and even if they voted not to take their pay as I've heard one congressman say, most of them are millionaires anyway. So much for the welfare of the people.
 
Dittohead not! said:
The Senate will not pass this bill, and the leaders of the House know it. All they are doing is playing political games.
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And they are going to lose - big-time. I will be glad to see the GOP take a major hit for this, but I also sympathize with the American people who will be negatively impacted by this partisan stupidity dealt by the GOP..

I Don't expect anyone to just take my word for this, but I do believe that if you wait a while you will see that I am right.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
 
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