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House Bill Defunds Health Care

Oh the horror. Those dang liberals that drew up that document!!! See what they caused now.

Providing a service explicitly written into the Constitution is not Socialism, contrary to any links you may choose to post...
 
IS THE UNITED STATES MILITARY A SOCIALIST INSTITUTION? | Citizen Tom

Before you use the word you may want to learn what the word is the milirtary is in fact socialism. Sorry to burst your bubble
Did you even bother to read that blog?? He makes an assertion then completely fails to back it up. He quotes the dictionary definition of socialism then fails to make any case whatsoever how the military applies to that. I hate to burst your bubble, but an individual blogger's unfounded opinion on what constitutes socialism, especially w/r to the military fails miserably.
 
Did you even bother to read that blog?? He makes an assertion then completely fails to back it up. He quotes the dictionary definition of socialism then fails to make any case whatsoever how the military applies to that. I hate to burst your bubble, but an individual blogger's unfounded opinion on what constitutes socialism, especially w/r to the military fails miserably.

Or you can just wiki socialism! I cannot help the fact that you and several other rightwinger spew the scare word and do not relize that you look very dumb.
 
Actually she might be right in some twisted off-hand way...
Back when there was a draft, military service could be thought of as involuntary indentured servitude that had the distinct possibility of injury or death. Therefore it is based on the philosophy of altruism, the foundation of socialism!

Now that there isn't a draft there's no problem, if you are nutty enough, or buy into some whacky Gawd n country schtick
you can offer yourself up on the sacrificial altar for someone the likes of Barack Hussein Obama Mmm Mmm Mmm
to decide if you should go to some country filled with brown people, kill them and run the risk of getting blow'd up with an IED.

If I were King for a day I'd make teaching Ayn Rand's objectivist epistemology mandatory for all grade school children.
Then when shiite like the ACA or the chance to offer yourself up as a sacrifice to the military industrial complex came along
everyone would say: get thee heck away from me!
 
Actually she might be right in some twisted off-hand way...
Back when there was a draft, military service could be thought of as involuntary indentured servitude that had the distinct possibility of injury or death. Therefore it is based on the philosophy of altruism, the foundation of socialism!

Now that there isn't a draft there's no problem, if you are nutty enough, or buy into some whacky Gawd n country schtick
you can offer yourself up on the sacrificial altar for someone the likes of Barack Hussein Obama Mmm Mmm Mmm
to decide if you should go to some country filled with brown people, kill them and run the risk of getting blow'd up with an IED.

If I were King for a day I'd make teaching Ayn Rand's objectivist epistemology mandatory for all grade school children.
Then when shiite like the ACA or the chance to offer yourself up as a sacrifice to the military industrial complex came along
everyone would say: get thee heck away from me!

With Obama being the Commander in Chief and the illogical changes he has mandated for the military, there isn't a chance in h*ll I'd voluntarily sign those papers again.
 
If I were King for a day I'd make teaching Ayn Rand's objectivist epistemology mandatory for all grade school children.
Then when shiite like the ACA or the chance to offer yourself up as a sacrifice to the military industrial complex came along
everyone would say: get thee heck away from me!

Objectivism is one of the most ethically and morally bankrupt philosophies out there.
 
Altruism socialism communism caused the Soviet Union to remain a 3rd world country and is attempting to bankrupt this nation,
once the richest on earth.

liberalism is moral cowardice

Liberals are by nature insecure people desperately trying to socially legitimize a fundamentally illegitimate ideology.

liberals are immoral


They just plain make me sick
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at least now I'll have free 3rd world healthcare?
 
Altruism socialism communism caused the Soviet Union to remain a 3rd world country and is attempting to bankrupt this nation,
once the richest on earth.

Wait, altruism is, to you, the same as socialism, which is the same as communism?

Also, the Soviet Union was never a third world country.


Wow, the American Thinker. A less aptly named website, I cannot fathom.

Moronic anti-liberal hit pieces by conservative blogs? Really?
 
yes yer guys stuff is the exact polar opposite of:
individualism yer collectivists
Capitalism yer all a buncha bankrupt socialists
a Constitutional Republic vs this perversion we have now
hell yeah yer all a buncha yellow bellied commies but now that Obamacare/IRS has me by the private parts I'll tow the line?
 
Nice try but no sale. It is difficult to have intelligent debate when you don't lay all the cards on the table. But it's no surprise as when the bill was rammed down the throats of Americans, who didn't want this bill to pass, the same tactic was employed.

States were allowed to set up their own exchanges. But the law says states don't have to if they don't want to and the federal government will have to do it. The only fit being throw is by the feds because they are required to in states that don't want to carry the water for them. The feds of course have failed. No surprise there.

Like people that live in the other 49 states (or is it 56), I don't care what Colorado does, I don't live there. (Thank goodness).

Obamacare is not going to stop people from going to the ER for healthcare. There is not enough Doctors in America for everybody to have a personal care physician. I suppose the feds will try to get around that by requiring people to see a Nurse or somebody with a first aid badge from the boy scouts but people are still going to head to the ER. So there goes that make believe savings. The only difference is the taxpayers will get stung twice instead of once for the same ER visit.

Studies have already shown that having health insurance has little positive effect on a persons health. I think it was the state of Oregon that disproved that theory. So wave good by to that money we're supposed to saving. Funny how government programs have that happen all the time.

$1,000 a year to pay for the uninsured? I haven't seen the figure before but lets say it's true. Now deduct the cost of Obamacare . Opps, it was cheaper for everybody not to have this law. No cost savings there. Last week I saw an interview with this Obamacare guru on TV and she laid it out plain. It would have been much cheaper to leave everybody alone except for the people that didn't have health insurance and for the feds just to buy it for those that didn't. That didn't happen of course as the real purpose behind this law is not health care or health insurance but controlling peoples lives to the Dems satisfaction.

If the insurance companies have so much to gain why are some dropping coverage in some places? That's right, there is nothing for them to gain but plenty for them to lose. But this is what the Dems wanted anyway. Providing health insurance was just a lie to get them to a position where they can falsely claim a single payer system is the way to go.

CBO? LOL. Remember the cost of Obamacare was only to cost 1 Trillion for ten years when the Dems were telling their lies to the American people. Last I saw it is now 2 Trillion. CBO did both estimates. The way you keep your head in the sand on Obamacare I wouldn't expect you to point that out.

This law is a disaster.

Interesting.... I make assertions and back them up with third party support.... you make assertions and offer nothing (but your impressions) Do you think anyone's mind is persuaded because you saw some unnamed " Obamacare guru and she laid it out plain" how weak is that? (pretty damn weak) or "studies have shown".... (what studies? by whom? were they independent or scientific or simply created to support a position?.... the statement "studies have shown" is meaningless). Sorry, but you should have supported each of the bolded statements. If you spent a little time backing up your impressions, you might actually learn some of your impressions are wrong (for one, the CBO NEVER adjusted the total cost of Obamacare from $1T to $2T), affirm and extend what you do know, and contribute the something of substance to the overall DP knowledge base.

Sorry, this rant is to a global audience, not you. There are plenty of intellectually lazy posters on this board. I'm often wonder why they spend any time here if all they are doing is shooting from the hip. I would think people would want to learn something; if not from those with which they spar, at least for themselves as they build (and support) their arguments.

It does no one any good to argue with you impressions, least of all you.... if your impressions are wrong, you more than anyone needs to know that. It Ain't Right!
 
US braces for shutdown a week before budget deadline

In 1995, essential services like military operations, air traffic control and border security were uninterrupted, but programs not considered essential were shut down.

Garbage piled up in Washington, and research at the National Institutes of Health ground to a halt.

One of the most visible effects was on tourism: all 368 National Park Service sites closed, as did Smithsonian museums, disappointing seven million tourists.

When the dust settled, Gingrich was largely blamed for the debacle -- though he argues that the compromise resolution led to four straight years of balanced budgets.


I was SURE republican controlled Senate and House created the booming economy of Clintons administration, But the liberalas credit Clinton for balancing the budget and a strong economy resulting. We need ancient liberal programs like "balanced budget" again! Funny, I thought balanced budget was OUR intent? Anyway, maybe we could reach agreement on balanced budget since the democrats admire Clinton for doing it! :D

A balanced budget amendment REQUIRING all future budgets balance AND dismissal of IRS, repeal of income tax in favor of a fair tax, those concessions on part of democrats MIGHT be a fair exchange for Obama care. They gotta give up SOMETHING!

My way or the highway, is a two edged sword. Defunding obamacare is only "What goes around, comes around!". Jamm obamacare down our throats will you Mr Obama? Then we have the power AND the RIGHT to defund it!
 
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More nutty talk from the rightwing. I guess thats the new scare word "Socialist". Funny thing is we have many forms of socialism that the Reoublicans just love its called the Military.
It is not a new word nor is it a new concept. It is an old European idea that should have been left in Europe. It is wrong for any free people to be enslaved by socialists and the wrongheaded idea that an authoritarian central planner knows more about an individual's needs than the individual does.

If the military was socialist liberals would flock to it. Do they?
 
Interesting.... I make assertions and back them up with third party support.... you make assertions and offer nothing (but your impressions) Do you think anyone's mind is persuaded because you saw some unnamed " Obamacare guru and she laid it out plain" how weak is that? (pretty damn weak) or "studies have shown".... (what studies? by whom? were they independent or scientific or simply created to support a position?.... the statement "studies have shown" is meaningless). Sorry, but you should have supported each of the bolded statements. If you spent a little time backing up your impressions, you might actually learn some of your impressions are wrong (for one, the CBO NEVER adjusted the total cost of Obamacare from $1T to $2T), affirm and extend what you do know, and contribute the something of substance to the overall DP knowledge base.

Sorry, this rant is to a global audience, not you. There are plenty of intellectually lazy posters on this board. I'm often wonder why they spend any time here if all they are doing is shooting from the hip. I would think people would want to learn something; if not from those with which they spar, at least for themselves as they build (and support) their arguments.

It does no one any good to argue with you impressions, least of all you.... if your impressions are wrong, you more than anyone needs to know that. It Ain't Right!

Oh, I see now. You have to be held by your hand and have well know public knowledge pointed out to you. Tell me, do you stick your head in the sand all by yourself or does someone else help you?

Don't panic though. This one time, I'll point out well know public knowledge items for you. But for the future, you need to learn how to acquire this type info on your own. It shouldn't be hard or difficult, just remember to acquire the well known public knowledge items from another place from where you are not getting them.

Lets start with this one: CBO: Obamacare costs double to $1.8 trillion in first decade | WashingtonExaminer.com
The title alone supports my point.

Now this one: Oregon Study: Medicaid 'Had No Significant Effect' On Health Outcomes vs. Being Uninsured - Forbes
Once again, the title alone supports my position.

On to this one: MMS: Error
This time the title alone can't help you. But you will find this in their report that shows the majority never wanted Obamacare to start with.: "shows the level of overall public support for the legislation in the weeks immediately before enactment. In none of the 10 polls did a majority favor the proposed legislation."
Note: This article would not hot link. But the info is in the NEJM article number 1003844
Note 2: Change that, it did hot link after all even though it shows error.

Yes you are correct there are intellectually lazy posters on this board. They include the ones that pretend well know public knowledge items don't exist or are not aware of them. Why people don't want to learn these things or refuse to learn these things
, I can't answer for.

It does no good to argue with someone that is incapable of acquiring well known items or refuses to do so. But you can change upsidedown guy.
 
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Right, so to the extent that Republicans are following the platform, they arent RINOs. People are just upset becuase they are no longer idealistic conservatives. So I call them CINOs. THey say they are conservative, but they arent. They are Republicans.

I like that: CINOS. Logically, it would be pronounced Sino, as in China. I wonder if some conclusion could be drawn from that?
 
No apology neccesary. I know what it is. If you want to convince me otherwise, make an argument.


Really I dont need to because it is fact, and again I cannot help when you do not understand the words you use actually have a meaning. This is taught in many high schools. Plus do a quick internet search and it will pull it up for you.
 
Really I dont need to because it is fact, and again I cannot help when you do not understand the words you use actually have a meaning. This is taught in many high schools. Plus do a quick internet search and it will pull it up for you.

Thats not how debate works. Perhaps you should read the rules.
 
Greengirl. please tell me you are one of those green skinned hotties from Orion?
 
it would be funny if it wasn't true?
or something to that effect
 
cool desert
Oh man that cold low pressure front came through and we went from summer to winter in one day, feels like we are in for a cold winter hah so much for man made global warming eh?
 
An indian riding past a homestead, stopped to chat with the white settler chopping wood. They both agreed it would be a cold winter so the settler decided to lay in a larger supply of wood.
A few days later the indian passed again. The settler asked if he thought it was going to be a bitter cold winter. Yes replied the indian. So, the settler decided even MORE wood should be stockpiled. When next the indian passed, he admitted the coming winter would likely be the coldest he'd ever seen.
The settler humbly acknowledged the Indians ability to read weather signs, and inquired specifically what omen foretold a historical extreme cold winter.
Indian explained, "When white man cut so much wood, I know will be extremely COLD!"

Modern version is "peer reviewed" climate change consensus. :D
 
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I'm sorry, do you even understand what the ACA is? What it is not what you are suggesting; a system run by "most hated department in the country" The ACA is not a government take over of healthcare. .... Also, don't you know health care rationing already exists in the country? It rationed according to dollars and insurance companies already have "death panels" that decide what gets covered and what does not.

Its fine to debate healthcare reform. Its fine to hate the ACA... but to have such opinion, you need to rise above ignorance...

Ya gotta know the issues to have relevant opinion.

There is a BIG difference between a private entity deciding what they would cover and the government deciding the same thing. At least in those States that permit something close to a free market for insurance one has the option of picking health care coverage that would match one's needs. With the government they will decide on what has been budgeted and the goal of the supporters is to have no health care insurance at all and everyone except the very wealthy will get what the government decides we get. And of course the same budgeting done by private insurers is condemned when this is done.

Furthermore, it is not the case that if one does not have health insurance one will not have access to health care. They have community clinics and there are associations that try to help people get the health care they need. Mandating that everyone must abide by a government run system and it IS government run if the government makes the rules deciding how much they will pay for coverage and what will be covered.

And to say I need to rise above ignorance well all I can say is this program was started in ignorance, ignorance of the content of the bill now law, and since it was founded in ignorance I say we should start over since the more we know about it the worse we are discovering it to be.
 
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