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Syria: nearly half rebel fighters are jihadists or hardline Islamists

MMC said:
Looks like their report is being released so you will see be able to see whats in it. For all the World to see.

Moreover unlike you.....I just don't go with what I am being told by government. You have been shown multiple sources all bringing up aspects to the same issue. Wherein thousands times over, it has been proven that government and those working in it.....will out right lie and falsify information. So truly you are not standing on any Righteous ground there.

Also unlike you.....I don't just look at a specific piece of the puzzle. I look at the Whole Picture the puzzle makes up. So your question isn't even relevant since I don't go by just one source of information.
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You reject Kerry because he didn't provide evidence but you embrace a private company doing the same. To make it worse, the private company disproves your narrative and you don't even realize that. Laughable. That you use RT and PressTV as sources is even more funny. Your entire argument is a joke.
 
ecofarm said:
You reject Kerry because he didn't provide evidence but you embrace a private company doing the same. To make it worse, the private company disproves your narrative and you don't even realize that. Laughable. That you use RT and PressTV as sources is even more funny. Your entire argument is a joke.
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Show me where the private company disputes my narrative. You can't even do that.

Sorry I have the links up from AP Reuters and UPI which cannot be disputed no matter how much you deflect with RT and Press TV. Moreover I have sources such as Stratfor, Stars and Strips, US Military.Com, As well as the BBC, The Telegraph, and the Sauds Main News Station where the Rebels broadcast their news on the Pan Arab television. Also Foreign Policy Magazine as well some other newsources. Like that of the Asian Times and India News. Which also includes Israeli News Sources.

Then there is you and what you got.....which is John Kerry said, and the government told me so.

So really the only one who's argument that appears to be a joke. Is yours!
 
MMC said:
Show me where the private company disputes my narrative. You can't even do that.
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30% of the rebels are moderates. That proves there are good people in Syria that can take power.
 
30% good (maybe) 70% bad! Yeah support the rebels.
 
ecofarm said:
30% of the rebels are moderates. That proves there are good people in Syria that can take power.
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Show me where it says that in the link from Jane IHS. As it just doesn't say that 30% of the Rebels are Moderates. As there is more to the beginning of that sentence, that comes after that part you mention.
 
MMC said:
Show me where it says that in the link from Jane IHS. As it just doesn't say that 30% of the Rebels are Moderates. As there is more to the beginning of that sentence, that comes after that part you mention.
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It says there are 100k fighters and 30k are moderates.

It's too funny that you didn't even realize the article contradicts your narrative.

That just adds to the humor of you accepting numbers from an unsourced private company while complaining about Kerry's lack of sources.
 
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ecofarm said:
It says there are 100k fighters and 30k are moderates.

It's too funny that you didn't even realize the article contradicts your narrative.
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The new study by IHS Jane's, a defence consultancy, estimates there are around 10,000 jihadists - who would include foreign fighters - fighting for powerful factions linked to al-Qaeda..

Another 30,000 to 35,000 are hardline Islamists who share much of the outlook of the jihadists, but are focused purely on the Syrian war rather than a wider international struggle.

There are also at least a further 30,000 moderates belonging to groups that have an Islamic character, meaning only a small minority of the rebels are linked to secular or purely nationalist groups.....snip~

The study is based on intelligence estimates and interviews with activists and militants.....snip~

http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle-east/171776-honor-syrian-rebels-w-90-a-2.html

Then from the NY Times and Reuters.

Across Syria, rebel-held areas are dotted with Islamic courts staffed by lawyers and clerics, and by fighting brigades led by extremists. Even the Supreme Military Council, the umbrella rebel organization whose formation the West had hoped would sideline radical groups, is stocked with commanders who want to infuse Islamic law into a future Syrian government.

Nowhere in rebel-controlled Syria is there a secular fighting force to speak of.....snip~

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/28/w...eate-dilemma-for-us.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&


Then CNN and Rueters came out with the Links on The Syrian Rebels don't want Democracy. ;)
 
So you agree. Of the 100k, 30k are moderates and that destroys your narrative about no good rebels.

Are you ready to agree that rejecting the secretary of state's numbers on the grounds of no sources, while accepting a random private company's numbers without sources, is hysterical?
 
ecofarm said:
So you agree. Of the 100k, 30k are moderates and that destroys your narrative about no good rebels.

Are you ready to agree that rejecting the secretary of state's numbers on the grounds of no sources, while accepting a random private company's numbers without sources, is hysterical?
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No I agree that there are 30k with an Islamist character. Period.....no accepting that they are just moderate.

Then I agree with that the SMC is filled with Commanders that want to Infuse Islamic Law into a Future Syria.

Then I also Agree that the MB and the Salafists are backing the FSA and SNC. Which was shown with Idris and his command.

Which YOUR MAN Kerry doesn't even mention.
 
ecofarm said:
So you agree. Of the 100k, 30k are moderates and that destroys your narrative about no good rebels.

Are you ready to agree that rejecting the secretary of state's numbers on the grounds of no sources, while accepting a random private company's numbers without sources, is hysterical?
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70% is a huge majority. The insurgency cannot be supported.
 
Montecresto said:
70% is a huge majority. The insurgency cannot be supported.
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As the rockets used are not known to be in rebel hands, we can be sure it was Assad and thus we must intervene. We can help the 30% gain power.


Also, why do you believe this report, when there is no evidence or source given.
 
Sharona said:
Who is on the ground surveying the rebels and counting their numbers?
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Trust me, we have people on the ground there that have been on the ground for quite a while.
 
ukangel said:
Opposition forces battling Bashar al-Assad's regime in Syria now number around 100,000 fighters, but after more than two years of fighting they are fragmented into as many as 1,000 bands.


The new study by IHS Jane's, a defence consultancy, estimates there are around 10,000 jihadists - who would include foreign fighters - fighting for powerful factions linked to al-Qaeda..

Another 30,000 to 35,000 are hardline Islamists who share much of the outlook of the jihadists, but are focused purely on the Syrian war rather than a wider international struggle.

There are also at least a further 30,000 moderates belonging to groups that have an Islamic character, meaning only a small minority of the rebels are linked to secular or purely nationalist groups.

The stark assessment, to be published later this week, accords with the view of Western diplomats estimate that less than one third of the opposition forces are "palatable" to Britain, while American envoys put the figure even lower.


Syria: nearly half rebel fighters are jihadists or hardline Islamists, says IHS Jane's report - Telegraph
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Shocker......Of course these guys are there. Anywhere you see chaos, war, atrocities, etc in the Middle East, there are jihadists involved.
 
I was just going with your numbers dude. Did you see the other thread up on the waiver for arming terrorists? Knowing that its impossible to avoid arming terrorists in Syria, in an attempt to cover his ass, Obama has now repealed the ban. Russia should just drop boots on the ground and help president Assad swiftly terminate this insanity.
 
MMC said:
Moreover, we have SOD Hagel stating our Intel is in Varying degrees.
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Would you rather him say "Yeah, Bob Smith from the covert paramilitary section at the CIA is currently embedded with Mohammed's jihad group in Syria. You didn't hear that from me though......"?
 
MarineTpartier said:
Would you rather him say "Yeah, Bob Smith from the covert paramilitary section at the CIA is currently embedded with Mohammed's jihad group in Syria. You didn't hear that from me though......"?
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Nah not me.....I just mentioned that, since there have been reports out by the MS Media stating that US Intel has been lacking in credibility. While Hagel admitted that in front of them since he was being questioned about it.
 
ukangel said:
Opposition forces battling Bashar al-Assad's regime in Syria now number around 100,000 fighters, but after more than two years of fighting they are fragmented into as many as 1,000 bands.


The new study by IHS Jane's, a defence consultancy, estimates there are around 10,000 jihadists - who would include foreign fighters - fighting for powerful factions linked to al-Qaeda..

Another 30,000 to 35,000 are hardline Islamists who share much of the outlook of the jihadists, but are focused purely on the Syrian war rather than a wider international struggle.

There are also at least a further 30,000 moderates belonging to groups that have an Islamic character, meaning only a small minority of the rebels are linked to secular or purely nationalist groups.

The stark assessment, to be published later this week, accords with the view of Western diplomats estimate that less than one third of the opposition forces are "palatable" to Britain, while American envoys put the figure even lower.


Syria: nearly half rebel fighters are jihadists or hardline Islamists, says IHS Jane's report - Telegraph
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I've said it once and I'll say it again, we don't need to touch the Syria issue at all, stay out of it!
 
ecofarm said:
No, I'm asking why you believe a private corporation that refuses to give sources or evidence.
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Why do you believe a government that refuses to give sources or evidence?
 
Mr. Invisible said:
Why do you believe a government that refuses to give sources or evidence?
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I believe it more because it's a democratic government with accountability, not a private (profit based) corp seeking PR.

If we take both into account:

Kerry says 75-85% of rebels are not "Islamist extremists".
The private company claims 30% are moderates.

Let's average them... ~50% of the rebels are not terrorists. Another perhaps 20% are questionable. ~30% are badguys of one sort or another.
 
ecofarm said:
As the rockets used are not known to be in rebel hands, we can be sure it was Assad and thus we must intervene. We can help the 30% gain power.


Also, why do you believe this report, when there is no evidence or source given.
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Not true.

Mr. Invisible said:
Actually the problem with that is that the UN Report doesn't actually argue who did the attack, just if one occurred.

I would also say that the rebels have had the capability to do the attack as they had surface to surface missiles.

Reported August 23, 2013:

"The Free Syrian Army - as well as the Al-Qaeda affiliated al-Nusra Front and other groups - have also been using increasingly potent captured artillery. This has included Grad surface-to-surface rockets analysts say were vital to the Islamist-led push into Latakia." (Syria government, rebels ramp up conventional weapons use | Reuters)'


Reported in July 2013:

"These antiaircraft, antitank, and surface-to-surface weapons are in the hands of both the Free Syrian Army (FSA), which is considered relatively moderate, and the local and global Islamist forces, and are being used to combat aircraft, armored vehicles, and regime bases." (Syrian Rebels Developing Rocket, Missile Capabilities To Combat Aircraft, Tanks, And Ground Targets)
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Mr. Invisible said:
Not true.
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We are talking about a specific type of rocket, which international observers say the rebels do not have.

The team did identify two types or rockets it said were used to deliver the gas and their trajectories, and international observers have said those weapons are not known to be in the hands of rebels battling the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Australian U.N. Ambassador Gary Quinlan, who is currently serving as president of the Security Council, said the report bolsters his country's stance. It "confirms, in our view, that there is no remaining doubt that it was the regime that used chemical weapons."

And Samantha Power, the U.S. ambassador, said a preliminary review of the report points toward forces loyal to al-Assad. "The regime possesses sarin, and we have no evidence that the opposition possesses sarin," Power said. "It defies logic" to think members of the opposition would have infiltrated a regime-controlled area to fire on opposition-controlled areas.

Britain, France, and NATO have also said al-Assad's regime was behind the attack. But Russia is Syria's leading ally, and Russian U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin maintained Moscow's stance that Syrian rebels might be to blame.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/16/politics/syria-civil-war/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
 
ChrisL said:
Correction, not KNOWN to be in the hands of rebels. NOT KNOWN.
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Look at all the evidence. It's obvious that Assad gassed Damascus.

There is no way that rebels could infiltrate ~10 locations within Assad controlled territory in Damascus, prepare and launch rockets, without detection or resistance.
 
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