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Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69]

Navy Pride said:
No that is President Bush. Obama blames him for everything bad that happens in this country unless it is something good then the ego maniac takes credit.
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And you do the same thing to Obama.

Hypocrite.
 
head of joaquin said:
Because the term "muslim" encompasses an entire religion, which includes about a billion people, and millions this country, who are as peaceful as the next guy and have nothing to do with the jihadists. It would be like saying, my first thought is that it's a Christian or a conservative, since a large number of domestic terrorists attacks are the result of radical anti-abortion rightwing Christians, or political rightwingers like McVeigh.

I'm sure Christians wouldn't appreciate that.
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Yeah, especially since McVeigh wasn't a political rightwinger....
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
He never asserted all muslims were violent or responsible for the attack. he asserted that his first thought was that the attacker was muslim



Ugh, if we were talking about an abortion clinic a Christian would be my first thought. The same would be true of you and everyone else rejecting the fact that in this attack his first thought was that the guy was muslim



Yeah, people get offended by all manner of reasonable assessments. Ever here of the saying "the truth hurts"? But someone taking offense to something doesn't mean it's not a reasonable or valid assessment
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We should all resist our "first thoughts" based on stereotypes and confirmation bias. They often lead to foolish actions.
 
j-mac said:
Yeah, especially since McVeigh wasn't a political rightwinger....
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Oh God, this stupid rightwing meme. The no true Scotsman is the last bastion of rightwingers trying to explain the ugly results of their ugly ideology and rhetoric.
 
head of joaquin said:
We should all resist our "first thoughts" based on stereotypes and confirmation bias. They often lead to foolish actions.
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Stereotypes and confirmation bias? I'm not sure that applies here, being that none was cast in the role of terrorist, nor did anyone make sweeping generalizations about individuals or groups
 
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Navy Pride said:
No that is President Bush. Obama blames him for everything bad that happens in this country unless it is something good then the ego maniac takes credit.
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In teapartyspeak, blaming means holding responsible for palpably failed conservative policies.

But please, carry no and pretend economic policies have no consequences. It's the kind of delusion tea partiers are reduced to.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Stereotypes and confirmation bias? I'm not sure that applies here, being that none was cast in the role of terrorist, nor did anyone make sweeping generalizations about individuals or groups
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I think assuming a gun massacre was carried out by a muslim is clearly nothing but prejudice and confirmation bias Most gun massacres are carried out by rightwing gun nuts -- like the guy who did this one. But conservatives don't remember those since they don't fit their stereotype.

Meanwhile, whoever claimed that the killer in this case was a muslim extremist was dead wrong -- the guy was a Texan, with a concealed weapons permit, which is a lot worse.
 
Sykes said:
Oh, who cares. Second Amendment blah-blah, - this is the price we pay, bull****.
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It's more evidence that we need to bite the bullet so to speak and repeal the 2nd Amendment. There was never a stupider more useless bit of chicanery pretending to protect rights than the 2nd Amendment.
 
Who knows this nut would look just like Obama's son.
 
Looks like my bringing up "going postal" has become a lot more relevant than the points posted by racists and Islamophobes.
 
head of joaquin said:
It's more evidence that we need to bite the bullet so to speak and repeal the 2nd Amendment. There was never a stupider more useless bit of chicanery pretending to protect rights than the 2nd Amendment.
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I suppose the fact that only security was allowed to have firearms in this complex is completely lost on you....that such a policy is the equivalent of doing away with the 2A.....that the policy didn't prevent a damned thing.
 
Lutherf said:
I suppose the fact that only security was allowed to have firearms in this complex is completely lost on you....that such a policy is the equivalent of doing away with the 2A.....that the policy didn't prevent a damned thing.
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And how did that security work out for twelve of our citizens today?
 
Somerville said:
Looks like my bringing up "going postal" has become a lot more relevant than the points posted by racists and Islamophobes.
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you're unfortunately making the same mistake as many others: identifying and organized enemy force that has an interest in attacking you're military installations is more than reasonable, even if it proves not to be them.

If someone bombed a Sinhalese military installation it would be rather stupid to take offense over someone suggesting it was the Tamils
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
And how did that security work out for twelve of our citizens today?
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Not particularly well. Then again, that's why I prefer to arm myself because security isn't necessarily there when you need them to be.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
And how did that security work out for twelve of our citizens today?
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Considering the fact that at least two of those shot were armed, you know "security", I have to wonder how many would be dead if 1 out of every 2 persons on site had been carrying. You know, like the incident yesterday in NYC where police shot two bystanders while trying to corral a person suffering from a psychotic episode.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
And how did that security work out for twelve of our citizens today?
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Just more acceptable collateral damage in the war to preserve absolute gun rights without any oversight whatsoever. If you were really up on real world issues, you would realize that unauthorized voting is a much bigger threat to our freedoms (the 13 here notwithstanding) than a few guns in the wrong hands.
 
head of joaquin said:
I think assuming a gun massacre was carried out by a muslim is clearly nothing but prejudice and confirmation bias
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Unfortunately for what you think, Islamic extremism is a very real thing, they have a clear interest in engaging us targets, and a habit of focusing on soft govt installations.


Most gun massacres are carried out by rightwing gun nuts -- like the guy who did this one.
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1) I have no interest in turning this into a partisan pissing match.

2) We are talking about a high profile military target. Most mass shootings do not involve "high profile military targets"


But conservatives don't remember those since they don't fit their stereotype.
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Actually I have no problem recognizing the issue of extremism in the right, and have been rather open about that the entire time I've been on this board. But that doesn't negate the reality of islamic extremism, the fact they actively seek out american and US targets, and have a clear strategy of targeting soft military installations.

However, this does raise the following question: do you want to actually discuss the issue or engage in some petty, partisan pissing match? Because I have no interest in the later
 
head of joaquin said:
It's more evidence that we need to bite the bullet so to speak and repeal the 2nd Amendment. There was never a stupider more useless bit of chicanery pretending to protect rights than the 2nd Amendment.
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I can tell that part of the Bill of Rights is eating away at you; probably keeping you up at night causing you to pace incessantly, back and forth, back and forth, as you prattle on and on to yourself... :yawn:
 
This is just terrible. My thoughts go out to all of the victims and their families.


Navy Pride said:
Who knows this nut would look just like Obama's son.
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This nonsense from you of all people? You have served in the Navy.... and for you to bring this type of crap into this particular thread is just disgraceful.
 
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Navy Pride said:
No that is President Bush. Obama blames him for everything bad that happens in this country unless it is something good then the ego maniac takes credit.
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He does not blame him for everything bad in the country but let's be honest, Bush is in part to blame for the economic downturn and we must not forget the 2 wars he started (1 quite rightly, the other one not so much).

Bush has done things that deserve praise but there are a lot of things that he quite rightly can be blamed for.
 
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Serenity said:
This is just terrible. My thoughts go out to all of the victims and their families.



This nonsense from you of all people? You have served in the Navy.... and for you to bring this type of crap into this particular thread is just disgraceful.
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Yes, quite pathetic.
 
Somerville said:
Considering the fact that at least two of those shot were armed, you know "security", I have to wonder how many would be dead if 1 out of every 2 persons on site had been carrying. You know, like the incident yesterday in NYC where police shot two bystanders while trying to corral a person suffering from a psychotic episode.
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I'm glad everyone doesn't cower or abscond when faced with a life or death situation. Being a victim can be a choice and that's Ok if that's what you prefer for yourself or your family. However, it's certainly nothing to boast about. However, if concealed carry had been allowed, which I'm pretty sure it wasn't in this situation, the shooter wouldn't have killed nearly as many people as he did today.
 
Big question is how he got a security clearlance.
It is reported that he was kicked out of the Navy.
In 2010 he shot his gun up through the floor of the apt above him whom he had run-ins over her noise.
In 2004 he shot out the tires of a car of two construction workers.

Does anybody see a red flag here?
 
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