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Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69, 700]

Dittohead not! said:
It's now "you guys" vs. "libbos" on gun control.

Gun control is not the answer to this sort of thing, and I think we know that, but, have at it. How should we score the contest?
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I say wittiest comeback....:devil:
 
Dittohead not! said:
I didn't say that you were a bad person, or that it was unreasonable to think that the shooter might be a Muslim extremist.

Only that terrorism was one of the possibilities being discussed.
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sorry for mistaken what you were driving at.
my bad:doh
 
I didn't say knives are more deadly than guns. They can be as deadly. Saddam electrocuted thousands of Iranian soldiers - no fire arms required. We're probably on the same page here.
Dr. Chuckles said:
hey, man I own guns myself and have absolutely no problem with them. I'm just addressing some hilariously bad arguments here (like knives are more deadly than guns).
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MarineTpartier said:
I got that. But that doesn't fix the problem. That's the point. There is nothing we can do to fix it. Sure, we can blame individuals. But that means something has already happened. That means the individual has already committed the atrocity.
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I bet you at least one of those victims believed he had a right to conceal carry. Could have saved them all. But alas, we have a simpleton for a Big Brother...

For every mass shooting that goes on in this country I can give you 1000 examples of a law abiding citizen legally armed saving himself or the people around him from harm. You want to blame someone before an atrocity is committed? I can do you one better, I can tell you who is to blame before, during , and after all atrocities of this nature and those less severe. Who? The politician. The politician who thinks by disarming Americans, by putting up surveillance, by allowing the police to have greater and greater liberty in their authority, that somehow, this will make us safe, but it won't. It is an illusion of safety. They'll keep crafting these nonsensical laws, weaving their tapestry, soothing our frazzled minds, and then tell you to vote for them, they'll save you, they'll make the bad men go away, all you have to do is give them the power to do it.

I'm sorry, but I'll have none of it.

This is the world we live in. People die. Some die in their beds with loving family around them after living 80-90 years. Some die by violence. Their lives cut short. Death. The single experience no matter who you are or where you are that will be shared by all at some point. No politician, no law, no restriction is going to stop that. It is the fear of death, of the inevitable that these politicians feed off of and try to convince an ever fearful population that they can somehow prevent it. They can't.

If we want to look at root causes, let's look at the culture around us. First and foremost as Americans, what are we taught and what do all of us whether we like to admit it or not, what do we pride ourselves on? Our military might. What do we give ourselves the title of? A Super power. Super powered what? What makes us a super power? The unique ability to bring death and destruction of any scale, large or small to anyone's doorstep in the world. What a grand accomplishment.

What do we give our children for entertainment? Books? A microscope? A telescope? Or video games that give you a first person POV and allow you to kill, rob, rape, maim, and destroy with reckless abandon?

How do allot of us look at ourselves? As living, breathing, unique and valuable? Or are we all just the fortunate, or some might think unfortunate ones to have not been vacuumed out our mother's uterus?

The last thing we need to be pointing the blame at is the instrument which can take a life. What we need is to look at ourselves and find the reason anyone would senselessly want to.
 
Threegoofs said:
No question. If we had vending machines with AR-15 all over the street so you could just get one at will, I'm sure it would have no impact upon sales.

Thats why we have morphine and cocaine sold over the counter - those silly controlled substance laws dont work at all.
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Another retarded post. Is this the best you guys can come up with? Jeez, pathetic. :roll:

You do realize that it's easy to get those drugs from the streets? That's the point which you completely missed, but I'm not surprised given the content of this post. Don't you feel stupid posting such dumb things? If not, you really should.
 
Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard

ChezC3 said:
I bet you at least one of those victims believed he had a right to conceal carry. Could have saved them all. But alas, we have a simpleton for a Big Brother...

For every mass shooting that goes on in this country I can give you 1000 examples of a law abiding citizen legally armed saving himself or the people around him from harm. You want to blame someone before an atrocity is committed? I can do you one better, I can tell you who is to blame before, during , and after all atrocities of this nature and those less severe. Who? The politician. The politician who thinks by disarming Americans, by putting up surveillance, by allowing the police to have greater and greater liberty in their authority, that somehow, this will make us safe, but it won't. It is an illusion of safety. They'll keep crafting these nonsensical laws, weaving their tapestry, soothing our frazzled minds, and then tell you to vote for them, they'll save you, they'll make the bad men go away, all you have to do is give them the power to do it.

I'm sorry, but I'll have none of it.

This is the world we live in. People die. Some die in their beds with loving family around them after living 80-90 years. Some die by violence. Their lives cut short. Death. The single experience no matter who you are or where you are that will be shared by all at some point. No politician, no law, no restriction is going to stop that. It is the fear of death, of the inevitable that these politicians feed off of and try to convince an ever fearful population that they can somehow prevent it. They can't.

If we want to look at root causes, let's look at the culture around us. First and foremost as Americans, what are we taught and what do all of us whether we like to admit it or not, what do we pride ourselves on? Our military might. What do we give ourselves the title of? A Super power. Super powered what? What makes us a super power? The unique ability to bring death and destruction of any scale, large or small to anyone's doorstep in the world. What a grand accomplishment.

What do we give our children for entertainment? Books? A microscope? A telescope? Or video games that give you a first person POV and allow you to kill, rob, rape, maim, and destroy with reckless abandon?

How do allot of us look at ourselves? As living, breathing, unique and valuable? Or are we all just the fortunate, or some might think unfortunate ones to have not been vacuumed out our mother's uterus?

The last thing we need to be pointing the blame at is the instrument which can take a life. What we need is to look at ourselves and find the reason anyone would senselessly want to.
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So, like I said, there's nothing we can do to fix the problem. <----I just summarized your whole post in one sentence.
-You're not going to stop idiot parents from buying FPS video games.
-Politicians will NEVER stop feeding on death.
-Gun laws will NEVER become less stringent in every state.
-More than 40% of this country WILL NEVER stop blaming the gun instead of the person or our culture.
So, like I said, what can we do? Nothing is the answer.
 
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MarineTpartier said:
So, like I said, there's nothing we can do to fix the problem. <----I just summarized your whole post in one sentence.
-You're not going to stop idiot parents from buying FPS video games.
-Politicians will NEVER stop feeding on death.
-Gun laws will NEVER become less stringent in every state.
-More than 40% of this country WILL NEVER stop blaming the gun instead of the person or our culture.
So, like I said, what can we do? Nothing is the answer.
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How about identifying paranoid people who listen to the voices in their heads and see to it that they are supervised so that they don't get a gun and go off shooting people? Wouldn't that be doing something about the problem?

Or is mental health a taboo issue and too expensive to just provide willy nilly to people who are nutcases and can't pay for it?
 
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MarineTpartier said:
So, like I said, there's nothing we can do to fix the problem. QUOTE]

I think there is, go back when it wasn't broken. Bring back the Marine barracks on every naval installation.

Bring back when it was the military who guarded the gates, provided perimeter security and patrolled the interior, not military civilian police.

For over two hundred years the Army, Navy and Marines were able to police themselves and provided their own security without civilians.

Sure has been a big increase of gun violence on gun free military installations over the past 4 1/2 years. Why is that ?

Liberal gun free zones on military installations has been just another liberal social engineering experimentation failure as gun free zones in the hood.

Might help if the Marines at 8th & I were able to keep the bolts in their rifles.
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Active gunmen in US navy Yard [W:69]

ChrisL said:
Another retarded post. Is this the best you guys can come up with? Jeez, pathetic. :roll:

You do realize that it's easy to get those drugs from the streets? That's the point which you completely missed, but I'm not surprised given the content of this post. Don't you feel stupid posting such dumb things? If not, you really should.
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So your position is that controlled substance laws do nothing to restrict the availability of drugs?

And you're cool with having AR-15 vending machines (with no security cameras nearby, natch...wouldn't want to infringe on FREEDOM!)
 
Threegoofs said:
So your position is that controlled substance laws do nothing to restrict the availability of drugs?

And you're cool with having AR-15 vending machines (with no security cameras nearby, natch...wouldn't want to infringe on FREEDOM!)
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Why does everyone pick on the poor little AR-15?
 
This episode shows precisely why anti gun efforts are so completely moronic. before the blood on the sidewalk is even tacky and they had recovered weapons, Feinstein et all are back at it against the eeeevil AR15. Except...sunovagun...there wasnt an AR15 involved. Magazine capacity bans...nope...no help. Background checks then...wait...no, no, he passed a background check. But...SOMETHING dammit!!! For the children!

Background checks and registration in place at Sandy Hook. Still didnt stop anything.

Background checks used in Aurora and Arizona...still didnt stop anything. AR15 jammed in Colorado and the bulk of the damage was done with...thats right...shotgun and handguns. Handguns in AZ, Ft Hood, VA Tech....

Background checks dont help. Mag caps dont help. AR15 bans wouldnt help. You know what WOULD have helped? If there had been a few armed citizens at that Navy shipyard.
 
Threegoofs said:
So your position is that controlled substance laws do nothing to restrict the availability of drugs?

And you're cool with having AR-15 vending machines (with no security cameras nearby, natch...wouldn't want to infringe on FREEDOM!)
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Are you saying they do? :lamo How naive! No one said anything about gun vending machine. Stop being absurd. You people should be really embarrassed. Your tactics are failing BIG time here. LOL. This is like arguing with a 5-year-old child who knows nothing about what he is talking about. It's quite hysterical actually.
 
AlabamaPaul said:
Convenience doesn't make for relevance...
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Too bad the argument is so ridiculous that it falls flat. The level of stupidity is astounding. :shock:
 
ChrisL said:
Too bad the argument is so ridiculous that it falls flat. The level of stupidity is astounding. :shock:
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Many will not be satisfied until the only people with guns are government and criminals...
 
j-mac said:
No doubt, and if he'd only have been white, and a tea partier, then there would non stop meetings at MSNBC on speaker phone with the WH over how to outright hammer this....And I am sure that the SPLC would issue a new warning on how the tea party was a terror organization.
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One of the usual suspects on THIS site yesterday started making a comment about how 'shocking' ("imagine that") the shooters identity was...when it was thought he was a white guy from Texas.

Once he was found to be a black buddhist...crickets.

Imagine that....
 
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MarineTpartier said:
This is terrible. I honestly don't know how we can prevent this stuff from happening. None of us want a police state. The amount of security our country would need to counter these psychos from doing this would be beyond impeding on our freedom. I just don't know what the answer is. Banning guns would only result in the people we don't want to have guns having them while the rest of us are stuck with bows and arrows or something. It just seems like there is nothing that can be done to prevent this crap from happening.
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Not arming but ALLOWING FOR an armed populace would go a long way to reducing the tragic nature of these events. There are literally millions of CCW holders. They are responsible, law abiding citizens. When they are continually placed in "gun free zones" they are targets.
 
Re: Active gunmen in US navy Yard

MarineTpartier said:
So, like I said, there's nothing we can do to fix the problem. <----I just summarized your whole post in one sentence.
-You're not going to stop idiot parents from buying FPS video games.
-Politicians will NEVER stop feeding on death.
-Gun laws will NEVER become less stringent in every state.
-More than 40% of this country WILL NEVER stop blaming the gun instead of the person or our culture.
So, like I said, what can we do? Nothing is the answer.
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No, you didn't summarize my post in one sentence, you gave an answer to my questions. A defeatist's answer.

It also is a wrong answer. Forgive my bluntness, but it is.

We can do something about this. We just have to muster more courage than it takes to kill one thousand Nazi Zombies on a television screen to do it...
 
humbolt said:
I didn't say knives are more deadly than guns. They can be as deadly. Saddam electrocuted thousands of Iranian soldiers - no fire arms required. We're probably on the same page here.
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I never claimed you did. But others have (as silly as that is)
 
ChrisL said:
That is certainly not going to help your retarded comments any.
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Funny.

YOU say : laws never prevented anyone from getting a weapon.

I said: well why not just sell guns in vending machines to everyone if we dont need laws?

YOU say: Thats retarded. (a bit of an offensive comment, but I'm guessing you're an offensive kinda guy anyway).

Apparently, you dont get the correlation between laws restricting gun ownership and availability with.... less guns.
 
Threegoofs said:
Funny.

YOU say : laws never prevented anyone from getting a weapon.

I said: well why not just sell guns in vending machines to everyone if we dont need laws?

YOU say: Thats retarded. (a bit of an offensive comment, but I'm guessing you're an offensive kinda guy anyway).

Apparently, you dont get the correlation between laws restricting gun ownership and availability with.... less guns.
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Still retarded.
 
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