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Climate models wildly overestimated global warming, study finds

they predicted that the earth temp would be 2 degrees hotter then when they made that perdition it only risen by .7 degrees and it has stopped

It has not stopped. We are getting hotter all of the time.
 
I don't know any skeptics who don't think the climate is changing

Really? I can point out a bunch here at DP. :lamo

The discussion is human involvement, in general, and Co2 in particular.

It's no longer a discussion. 98% of climate scientists agree that climate change is due to human involvement.
 
Do you realize how narrow-minded your thinking really is? :lamo
In the normal course of things, Humanity can survive the warming we are likely to see.
I am not so sure that would be a safe statement for the next ice age.
80 to 90% of the last 800,000 years have been spent in an ICE age, I think it is a
high probability it will return.
Kind of narrow-minded of you to think it will not!
 
So, all science ever done is suspect, rocket88?

Not all science, but there's testable science and speculative science. Rocket science, you can test - try it and if it doesn't fly, you got it wrong. Back to the drawing board.

Making a prediction about the climate is speculative -- we can't find out for sure until we get there. And there is no "back to the drawing board." Which is why I tend toward the "polluting less" idea because we can't just hit rewind. But you can't really prove it until it does happen either.

My username's from a song anyway. Not necessarily rockets.
 
Really? I can point out a bunch here at DP. :lamo



It's no longer a discussion. 98% of climate scientists agree that climate change is due to human involvement.
Read Cook's abstract, that's not what it says.
About 36% of Scientist writing papers about Climate change, endorse AGW.
Most of the rest do not express a position.
 
All the ski resorts in Georgia are gone (I recently lived there for 11 years). The ski resort on the other side of the mountain from my Upstate NY farm (about a half mile from my property line) hasn't run the lifts in years. Now they just lease the main building out for weekend concerts for local bands and have a paid bar. Last winter we got 250 inches of snow and the year before that we got maybe 30. Anyone who says the global weather patterns are not shifting is a window licker with a football helmet on backwards, sitting at the back of a short yellow bus. We can argue all day long as to what the causes are for climate changes (man made vs natural), but this rock is hurling through ice cold space and there are definitely evolving weather patterns on it just like there are on Jupiter or any other planet in this universe with an atmosphere. I think it's kind of funny that folks think some computer program can model how patterns on a planet happen with any degree of accuracy. Maybe in a few thousand years after we get to other solar systems and start seeing macro trends instead of one micro trend. Windows 8 barely runs right half the time; and yet we think some software on Windows 8 is suddenly the cat's meow? I'm all for technology; but I'm thinking folks need to realize the stuff has limits. </rant>
 
It has not stopped. We are getting hotter all of the time.


The figures reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012 there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures
This means that the ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996


Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it | Mail Online

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they predicted that the earth temp would be 2 degrees hotter then when they made that perdition it only risen by .7 degrees and it has stopped

That's not really that far off. If the weatherman says it's going to be 80 and it's only 78.7, that's still a pretty good prediction.
 
they predicted that the earth temp would be 2 degrees hotter then when they made that perdition it only risen by .7 degrees and it has stopped

LOLwhut?!?!?!? I may not be Nostradamus, but I am pretty darn sure the temperatures in USA have been steadily rising and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. I'm also reading that these weather shifts are going to cause agricultural belts in USA to move North.
 
The figures reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012 there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures
This means that the ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996


Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it | Mail Online

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Climactically speaking, 100 years is nothing. 16 is infinitesimal.

In other words, saying it's warmer now that it was 100 years ago doesn't mean climate change. But saying it isn't warmer now than it was 16 years ago doesn't mean the opposite.
 
Because the negative effects of climate change, if on the extreme end, are devastating and will impoverish and kill millions of people and deracinate our economy.

Given the terrible nature of the risk, wise people act prudently to avoid it, even if the risk itself isn't certain.

It goes without saying that tea party knownothings aren't wise.

Chicken Little- The Sky is Falling - YouTube
 
All the ski resorts in Georgia are gone (I recently lived there for 11 years). The ski resort on the other side of the mountain from my Upstate NY farm (about a half mile from my property line) hasn't run the lifts in years. Now they just lease the main building out for weekend concerts for local bands and have a paid bar. Last winter we got 250 inches of snow and the year before that we got maybe 30. Anyone who says the global weather patterns are not shifting is a window licker with a football helmet on backwards, sitting at the back of a short yellow bus. We can argue all day long as to what the causes are for climate changes (man made vs natural), but this rock is hurling through ice cold space and there are definitely evolving weather patterns on it just like there are on Jupiter or any other planet in this universe with an atmosphere. I think it's kind of funny that folks think some computer program can model how patterns on a planet happen with any degree of accuracy. Maybe in a few thousand years after we get to other solar systems and start seeing macro trends instead of one micro trend. Windows 8 barely runs right half the time; and yet we think some software on Windows 8 is suddenly the cat's meow? I'm all for technology; but I'm thinking folks need to realize the stuff has limits. </rant>

And now it's global COOLING! Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% in a yearAlmost a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than in 2012
BBC reported in 2007 global warming would leave Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013
Publication of UN climate change report suggesting global warming caused by humans pushed back to later this month


Global cooling: Arctic ice caps grows by 60% against global warming predictions | Mail Online

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The figures reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012 there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures
This means that the ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996

How you explain warmer summers and shorter winters, along with way less snow at the ski resorts than back when we were kids? I'm experiencing not only warmer weather than previous decades, but much bigger single snow dumps and gone are the days of consistent snowfall that was needed to run ski resorts. Things are most certainly changing on this planet. And I don't think anyone expected stasis, did they?
 
And now it's global COOLING! Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% in a yearAlmost a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than in 2012
BBC reported in 2007 global warming would leave Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013
Publication of UN climate change report suggesting global warming caused by humans pushed back to later this month


Global cooling: Arctic ice caps grows by 60% against global warming predictions | Mail Online

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One year fluctuations don't prove anything about climate.
 
LOLwhut?!?!?!? I may not be Nostradamus, but I am pretty darn sure the temperatures in USA have been steadily rising and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. I'm also reading that these weather shifts are going to cause agricultural belts in USA to move North.


The figures reveal that from the beginning of 1997 until August 2012 there was no discernible rise in aggregate global temperatures
This means that the ‘pause’ in global warming has now lasted for about the same time as the previous period when temperatures rose, 1980 to 1996


Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it | Mail Online

View attachment 67153508
 
One year fluctuations don't prove anything about climate.

but a 10 year study can predict the earths temp for the next 100 years

7 years ago they said there wouldn't be any ice caps left in 6 years
 
And now it's global COOLING! Record return of Arctic ice cap as it grows by 60% in a yearAlmost a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than in 2012
BBC reported in 2007 global warming would leave Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013
Publication of UN climate change report suggesting global warming caused by humans pushed back to later this month


Global cooling: Arctic ice caps grows by 60% against global warming predictions | Mail Online

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I hope you are right. I'm not thrilled with the prospect of 100 degree summers in Upstate NY. If I wanted that crap I would have stayed in Atlanta. But I am shocked by your graphic because I have been told those polar caps are melting away.

Polar ice sheets melting faster than ever | Environment | DW.DE | 04.02.2013

Polar ice sheets melting faster than ever
The polar ice caps have melted faster in last 20 years than in the last 10,000. A comprehensive satellite study confirms that the melting ice caps are raising sea levels at an accelerating rate. The polar regions are important drivers of the world's climate. When the "everlasting ice" melts at an increasing rate, the rest of the world is affected. Global sea levels are rising, dark meltwater pools absorb warmth from the sun which white ice would reflect back into space. Fresh water flows into the sea, changing ocean currents and the living conditions for marine organisms. For 20 years satellites have been monitoring earth's biggest ice shields on Greenland and in the Antarctic, using different technologies from radar to gravity measurements. In the past, the uncoordinated publication of individual one-off measurements led to confusion, especially with regard to the state of the Antarctic ice. A new study, supported by NASA and European Space Agency ESA combines the data from different satellite missions. "It's the first time all the people who have estimated changes in the size of the Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets using satellites over the past 20 years have got together to produce a single result," Andrew Shepherd from the University of Leeds in the UK explained in an interview with DW.

Satellite monitoring ends confusion
"Thanks to the accuracy of our data set, we are now able to say with confidence that Antarctica has lost ice for the whole of the past 20 years. In addition to the relative proportions of ice that have been lost in the northern and southern hemispheres, we can also see there's been a definitive acceleration of ice loss in last 20 years. So together Antarctica and Greenland are now contributing three times as much ice to sea levels as they were 20 years ago," says the Professor of Earth Observation. According to the study, melting ice from both poles has been responsible for a fifth of the global rise in sea levels since 1992, 11 millimeters in all. The rest was caused by the thermal expansion of the warming ocean, the melting of mountain glaciers, small Arctic ice caps and groundwater mining. The share of the polar ice melt, however, is rising.

Greenland is melting fastest
The pattern of change differs considerably between the Arctic and the Antarctic. Two thirds of the ice loss is happening in Greenland. "The rate of ice loss from Greenland has increased almost five-fold since the mid-1990s", says Erik Ivins, who coordinated the project for NASA. Although the Greenland ice sheet is only about one tenth the size of Antarctica, today it is contributing twice as much ice to sea levels, according to Shepherd: "It's certainly the larger player, probably just because it is at a more equatorial latitude, further from the North pole than Antarctica from the South pole." The ice on Greenland is also melting on the surface, because of increasing air temperatures.
 
The part you people refuse to even think about is why the models turned out to be incorrect. To you, temperatures falling outside of the model range disproves AGW in of itself. This, of course, is based on fundamental misunderstandings about how climate models work and what their purpose is.

Understanding computer models is a very old and basic premiss .... Garbage in Garbage out... The AGW folk need to learn it. I recall the last AGW panic that said we all would be living south of the Rio Grande by the 90's ... due to the immediate onset of the New Ice Age...:lamo

Thom Paine
 
I don't know any skeptics who don't think the climate is changing,
The discussion is human involvement, in general, and Co2 in particular.

CO2 is a requisite to sustain life on this planet. :doh

Thom Paine
 
So does this mean Conservatives don't 'hate' science any longer? ;;)

As long as their miracle boy Jesus predicted something and it aligns with reality; they are all for it. As soon as science says something that doesn't align with the fabrications of the Bible, the conservative GOP is up in arms and suddenly a thousand memes show up on Facebook quoting how the Founding Fathers were all Christian and that there needs to be laws against science. Apparently science is "da work of da debil".
 
CO2 is a requisite to sustain life on this planet. :doh

So is a lot of other stuff. Oxygen, nitrogen, plants and meats, grains, moderate temperatures, and absence of tornadoes, etc. There is a very delicate balance on this rock.
 
How you explain warmer summers and shorter winters, along with way less snow at the ski resorts than back when we were kids? I'm experiencing not only warmer weather than previous decades, but much bigger single snow dumps and gone are the days of consistent snowfall that was needed to run ski resorts. Things are most certainly changing on this planet. And I don't think anyone expected stasis, did they?

because climate happens in cycles it osculates it has short cycles and long cycles

Fisheries Ebb and Flow in 50-Year Cycle, Study Says

they talk about the 50 year weather cycles
 
Yet more evidence of scientists with an agenda making a religious cult out of global warming.

Have we had a hurricane in the Atlantic basin this year? It's September already. I thought we were supposed to see Katrina after Katrina by now?

The whole issue is so politically tainted now, it's a dead issue. Yes, the world will warm, and then it will cool, as it has for forever and a day.
 
So is a lot of other stuff. Oxygen, nitrogen, plants and meats, grains, moderate temperatures, and absence of tornadoes, etc. There is a very delicate balance on this rock.

I concur; while I posit this thought. Without plentiful CO2 none of the above would exist. No flora means no fauna... more flora means more fauna... compare species propagation in regards to climate areas. Keeping human population in perspective... one could allow for 1000 square feet per human and still place every human within the U.S. State of Texas. It is challenging to believe that so few could doom the entire mass of this planet. It is not to say we should be so cavalier to disregard all we do but our sciences are very young and panic is uncalled for.... we can take advantage of the always changing natural occurrences.

Have a great day, Snappo

Thom Paine
 
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