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Republicans move to halt ObamaCare 'bailout' for angry unions

Diogenes said:
Repeal it for everyone. Treat everyone the same. I realize this is a difficult concept for liberals to accept, but I urge you to try.
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That is possible with a hamburger, since it is a product with a fixed cost. That is not possible with insurance, since it should be based on actuarial risk, because it is a service without a fixed cost. It may sound fair to say that everyone should pay "the same" for insurance yet we know that is not possible - even PPACA does not attempt that nonsense. In the liberal utopia, where unicorns graze and wind/solar provide unlimitted free energy, all is fair when "the rich" pay for most of everything and the rest pay some percentage of their meager incomes with the gov't running the show. ;)
 
shrubnose said:
I have to believe that something like that will end up in court and I don't believe that it would pass the smell test with most judges.

Of course we'll have to wait and see how it turns out, but I find it hard to believe that it will ever survive a legal challenge.
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one would think.. but after watching things happen like the IRS targeting conservative groups and them getting away with it.. I don't have much confidence
 
Thrilla said:
oddly enough, "repealing it for everyone " is exactly what republicans want to do... Rocket is just making **** up
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It's not really what they want to do. They say that hoping to get people to vote for them. I guarantee you that a Republican President in 2017 isn't going to repeal it.
 
rocket88 said:
It's not really what they want to do. They say that hoping to get people to vote for them. I guarantee you that a Republican President in 2017 isn't going to repeal it.
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well, if you have evidence they want it repealed for only themselves... bring it forth.

I highly doubt they will repeal it too...primarily because Democrats won't allow it to be repealed (well, except for unions)
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Don't you remember that the democrats control the senate and Obama is in the White House? Any bill that contains a provision for defunding obamacare is dead on arrival in the senate.
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Which means... the Dems will have to shut down the government or pass the bill, or the R's have to cave.

Americans don't want this abortion of a bill. I say the R's need to force the Dems hand.
It's been passed, and now that we have had time to experience it (I doubt most have read it), we see what a mess... ahhh "train wreck"... (to quote one of the authors) it is.

The last time the government was shut down, I believe the R's won 2-sets in the midterms.
 
trfjr said:
looks like the union are ripe for the picking. Democrats just lost the union vote
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Dems just take the union vote for granted. Easy to do because the Repubs won't go within a million miles of grabbing their vote for fear of losing all their corporate donor backing.
 
poweRob said:
Dems just take the union vote for granted. Easy to do because the Repubs won't go within a million miles of grabbing their vote for fear of losing all their corporate donor backing.
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Reagan stole the union vote.
at least unions wont be giving campaign contributions to democrats
 
trfjr said:
Reagan stole the union vote.
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Then unions got destroyed by Reagan. Really think they'll make that mistake again?

trfjr said:
at least unions wont be giving campaign contributions to democrats
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Which is all the Republicans want hence their drives to kill unions. Then we can have basically two parties going after the same corporate $'s for their campaigns meaning they will act even MORE the same than ever... because we all know that politicians in our country represent their campaign donors. Constituents fall into a faaarrrrr farrrrr second place consideration.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That is possible with a hamburger, since it is a product with a fixed cost. That is not possible with insurance, since it should be based on actuarial risk, because it is a service without a fixed cost. It may sound fair to say that everyone should pay "the same" for insurance yet we know that is not possible - even PPACA does not attempt that nonsense. In the liberal utopia, where unicorns graze and wind/solar provide unlimitted free energy, all is fair when "the rich" pay for most of everything and the rest pay some percentage of their meager incomes with the gov't running the show. ;)
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Good evening, ttwtt78640. :2wave:

Since libs say it's fair, it must be fair! Have they ever lied to us? :shock:
 
Hello good lady.
We all know liberals are the only ones to lie.
polgara said:
Good evening, ttwtt78640. :2wave:

Since libs say it's fair, it must be fair! Have they ever lied to us? :shock:
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and if Obama asked Republicans to keep breathing?
I believe HeritageCare/ACA will be highly popular if a Repub ever gets elected POTUS again.
Jack Hays said:
Likely just sit back and watch BHO slug it out with his base.:peace
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polgara said:
Good evening, ttwtt78640. :2wave:

Since libs say it's fair, it must be fair! Have they ever lied to us? :shock:
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Only about how much these entitlements will actually cost. ;)
 
NIMBY said:
Hello good lady.
We all know liberals are the only ones to lie.
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Good evening, NIMBY. :2wave:

I have reached the conclusion that there must be a lie detector machine in DC that has a feature which, if the test is failed, almost guarantees anybody will get the job they want. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. Well, that plus the fact that most of them are attorneys, so I can only base my opinion on that. I decided a while back that either aliens from another solar system have invaded DC, or Lucy and Ethel really are in charge, based on the results we're getting!. :eek:
 
NIMBY said:
and if Obama asked Republicans to keep breathing?
I believe HeritageCare/ACA will be highly popular if a Repub ever gets elected POTUS again.
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Popular schmopular. It's an incoherent mishmash no matter who is POTUS.:lamo
 
sorry to have given some of you who talk to me from the old days a bad name
Alabama Paul must be pulling his hair out right now, 42-35, with 7 minutes to go on CBS.
Bama has really kept A&M in the game.
polgara said:
Good evening, NIMBY. :2wave:

I have reached the conclusion that there must be a lie detector machine in DC that has a feature which, if the test is failed, almost guarantees anybody will get the job they want. It's the only thing that makes sense to me. Well, that plus the fact that most of them are attorneys, so I can only base my opinion on that. I decided a while back that either aliens from another solar system have invaded DC, or Lucy and Ethel really are in charge, based on the results we're getting!. :eek:
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trfjr said:
Read more: Republicans move to halt ObamaCare 'bailout' for angry unions | Fox News


It is going to get to the point that the determining factor on who gets any Obama Care subsidies is who you voted for last election it will be required for you to be a registered democrat to get one
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I'm surprised it took this long for the unions to starting bucking for their piece of the action. I guess keeping their existing coverage wasn't good enough. Now they want everyone else to pay their way. No surprise there.
 
Jack Hays said:
Popular schmopular. It's an incoherent mishmash no matter who is POTUS.:lamo
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When the people responsible for running it don't seem to understand it, and one of the drafters of same calls it a "train wreck," I will admit to a bit of worry about what the end result might be! :eek:

Good evening, Jack. :2wave:
 
NIMBY said:
sorry to have given some of you who talk to me from the old days a bad name
Alabama Paul must be pulling his hair out right now, 42-35, with 7 minutes to go on CBS.
Bama has really kept A&M in the game.
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Earlier this week, AP did acknowledge that Alabama "could" lose this game. It's 49-35 right now, so he's probably feeling pretty good! :thumbs:
 
Unions have to give also on this business.
Just like Congressman and their staffers.
Republicans, if I can, offered many excellent amendments to this law.
And it started with the Heritage folks.
And it is the law.
However, the jury is still out on whether Boehner can stop these government shutdowns.
polgara said:
Earlier this week, AP did acknowledge that Alabama "could" lose this game. It's 49-35 right now, so he's probably feeling pretty good! :thumbs:
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NIMBY said:
And we thank the Heritage folks for inventing it.
HeritageCare bro.
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If there is anything that is the doing of demorats, PPACA surely is it. I am amazed that liberal loons, who really wanted UHC, are now calling PPACA, a bill written by lobbyists and voted for only by demorats, the product (fault?) of the republicants. I am tired of the blame others and praise Obama crowd. When the true cost of this PPACA mess is seen, providing subsidies for 30 to 45 million "private" insurance policies, reductions in work hours and folks paying more to the same (or fewer) care providers the public will know who to thank.
 
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