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Debbie Wasserman Schultz on COL recall: 'Voter Suppression, Pure and Simple’

It seems quite clear that nothing illegal was done and that many better informed voters did cast their ballots.

Didn't mean any offense by the 'stupid people' remark but that seemed the best way to describe them.

Again - your elitism is showing with this silly comment about "better informed voters". I did not realize there was a knowledge test in order to exercise your Constitutional right to vote.

Nothing illegal done? What about what I have repeatedly said do you not get.......... or better yet forget that question since it is painfully obvious that you do indeed get it but simply refuse to admit it because it destroys your argument. One cannot simply institute a clearly ILLEGAL system to prevent voting since it would be quickly slapped down and thrown out. To gain an advantage, what you do is to shape the rules or election methodologies in such a way as to stay within the bounds of what is LEGAL but to give your side a clear advantage through clever manipulation.

This would include such chicanery as supplying opposing precincts with less voting machines and workers thereby creating long lines knowing that potential voters may become discouraged and simply go home and what was done in this Colorado recall where the method used by 70% of voters was thrown out and barred from use.
 
Well then. Looks like the "blame" has to fall on the two that were recalled. They created the environment that led people to demand a recall vote. It's not an election that follows the calendar, it's one were enough people want them gone in a hurry. But even then the facts show nobody was "barred" from voting.

Actually the 70% of people who vote by mail in ballots were indeed manipulated so that many would not vote.
 
DWS is at best slimy and not someone I would ever want to find myself defending. Of course, she probably doesn't think that the word infringement (a noun based on verb to infringe) is in the Constitution.
 
Again - your elitism is showing with this silly comment about "better informed voters". I did not realize there was a knowledge test in order to exercise your Constitutional right to vote.
No, there is no knowledge test required to vote which largely explains why the Democrats have done so well. If some voters understand that there have been changes made I would say they are better informed' while those who don't know about the changes would be 'less informed'.
Nothing illegal done? What about what I have repeatedly said do you not get.......... or better yet forget that question since it is painfully obvious that you do indeed get it but simply refuse to admit it because it destroys your argument.
It was you who said nothing illegal was done.
One cannot simply institute a clearly ILLEGAL system to prevent voting since it would be quickly slapped down and thrown out. To gain an advantage, what you do is to shape the rules or election methodologies in such a way as to stay within the bounds of what is LEGAL but to give your side a clear advantage through clever manipulation.

Then nothing illegal was done, correct?
This would include such chicanery as supplying opposing precincts with less voting machines and workers thereby creating long lines knowing that potential voters may become discouraged and simply go home and what was done in this Colorado recall where the method used by 70% of voters was thrown out and barred from use.

It seems that ballot rigging has been going at least since the days of (D) Boss Tweed and yet no uniform system has yet been established. Whose fault is that?
 

I must note that the article you linked to refers to conviction for forging petition signatures. As reprehensible as that is - and I condemn the practice - it is NOT the same as fraudulently cast votes in an election or suppressing voters from casting votes in an election.

I would also refer you to another case of petition fraud - Congressman Thad McCotter of Michigan - a Republican who just happened to be my Congressman.
AG - Schuette Announces Two Convictions In McCotter Petition Scandal

Not only did McCotter get on the ballot fraudulenty when he was caught, but he also did the same thing in at least two previous elections in which he was elected. This guy sat in Congress representing me and 700,000 other Michiganders and he cheated to get there.

here is a guy who pleaded guilty to a similar offense after forging 4,000 signatures to get Republican Newt Gingrich on the Virginia ballot

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...atures-on-newt-gingrich-s-2011-primary-ballot

I join with you in condemning such a practice. But lets be clear that petition chicanery is not the same as election ballot fraud. My challenge was to present verifiable evidence of mail ballot fraud and this article did not do so.
 
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No, there is no knowledge test required to vote which largely explains why the Democrats have done so well. If some voters understand that there have been changes made I would say they are better informed' while those who don't know about the changes would be 'less informed'. It was you who said nothing illegal was done.


Then nothing illegal was done, correct?


It seems that ballot rigging has been going at least since the days of (D) Boss Tweed and yet no uniform system has yet been established. Whose fault is that?

You simply refuse to get it.

Do you or do you not admit that election procedures can be manipulated to give one side or the other a particular advantage in determining the winner of the election short of doing anything illegal?
 
By all means do present your verifiable information that mail in ballots create election fraud.

And lets flush this silly idea about it presents opportunity for fraud. Every election procedure could be said to present opportunity for fraud if one is devious enough, clever enough and unprincipled enough to attempt it.
IMO, the reason voter fraud isn't viewed as a serious problem is because too little effort is put into detection and prosecution_

If the IRS stopped investigating tax fraud we might conclude that the lack of convictions was an indication tax fraud didn't exist_

And it seems to me the Democrat Party is the primary opposition to every policy put forth to ensure voter integrity and fair elections_

Why do democrats invariably oppose such policies that place the exact same requirements on all voters regardless of political affiliation?!

Some folks might view such a one-sided opposition as an indication that the Democrat Party believes voter fraud is working in their favor?!

Food for thought! :yt
 
I must note that the article you linked to refers to conviction for forging petition signatures. As reprehensible as that is - and I condemn the practice - it is NOT the same as fraudulently cast votes in an election or suppressing voters from casting votes in an election.

What those Democrats did was illegal and yet, in the case that bothers you most, nothing illegal was done. You use the word 'fraudulently ' yet no fraud was committed in the case under discussion.

I would also refer you to another case of petition fraud - Congressman Thad McCotter of Michigan - a Republican who just happened to be my Congressman.
AG - Schuette Announces Two Convictions In McCotter Petition Scandal

But no fraud took place. It was all legal in this instance.

Not only did McCotter get on the ballot fraudulenty when he was caught, but he also did the same thing in at least two previous elections in which he was elected. This guy sat in Congress representing me and 700,000 other Michiganders and he cheated to get there. here is a guy who pleaded guilty to a similar offense after forging 4,000 signatures to get Republican Newt Gingrich on the Virginia ballot

Virginia Man Forged Thousands Of Signatures On Newt Gingrich's 2011 Primary Ballot

You're moving away from the topic.

I join with you in condemning such a practice. But lets be clear that petition chicanery is not the same as election ballot fraud. My challenge was to present verifiable evidence of mail ballot fraud and this article did not do so.

Yes, it seems your challenge was unsuccessful.
 
You simply refuse to get it.

Do you or do you not admit that election procedures can be manipulated to give one side or the other a particular advantage in determining the winner of the election short of doing anything illegal?

I agree 100%. Gerrymandering is one of the methods but the most common is lying by those candidates who run for office, and their supporters often happily accept that if their candidate wins. At the same time they'll often claim their opponent erred by telling the truth; that it was poor politics..

I have little sympathy with voters who openly support liars and they usually get the government they deserve as a result.
 
IMO, the reason voter fraud isn't viewed as a serious problem is because too little effort is put into detection and prosecution_

If the IRS stopped investigating tax fraud we might conclude that the lack of convictions was an indication tax fraud didn't exist_

And it seems to me the Democrat Party is the primary opposition to every policy put forth to ensure voter integrity and fair elections_

Why do democrats invariably oppose such policies that place the exact same requirements on all voters regardless of political affiliation?!

Some folks might view such a one-sided opposition as an indication that the Democrat Party believes voter fraud is working in their favor?!

Food for thought! :yt

Every time I have ever voted there are procedures in place to ensure the legality of the vote. Those protections to detect fraud are already there and have been there for a very long time.

All your words boil down to one point: you have no evidence to talk about.
 
I agree 100%. Gerrymandering is one of the methods but the most common is lying by those candidates who run for office, and their supporters often happily accept that if their candidate wins. At the same time they'll often claim their opponent erred by telling the truth; that it was poor politics..

I have little sympathy with voters who openly support liars and they usually get the government they deserve as a result.

I imagine many people feel that way when the other side wins. That is true regardless of party or ideology.
 
What those Democrats did was illegal and yet, in the case that bothers you most, nothing illegal was done. You use the word 'fraudulently ' yet no fraud was committed in the case under discussion.



But no fraud took place. It was all legal in this instance.



You're moving away from the topic.



Yes, it seems your challenge was unsuccessful.

I have no idea what you are talking about and it seems neither do you.

You provided an example of two men convicted for forging petition signatures for Democrats. I gave you more examples of people doing the same thing for Republicans. I even gabe you the case of a sitting US Congressman - a Republican - who did it in three different elections before he was caught and convictions resulted.

You tell me I am straying from the topic but it was YOU who introduced the evidence about petition signatures and I merely matched it - and bettered it - with other similar examples. You really need to make up your mind what you want to talk about.

What "unsuccesful challenge" from me are you talking about? :roll: I challenged people to present verifiable evidence to voter election fraud of such a significant nature the it meritied action to solve the 'problem'. The unsuccessful part comes from people like you who cannot rise to the challenge and meet it.
 
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Every time I have ever voted there are procedures in place to ensure the legality of the vote. Those protections to detect fraud are already there and have been there for a very long time.

All your words boil down to one point: you have no evidence to talk about.

Evidence of what? That politicians lie? That there has been dishonesty in the election system? Just what are you saying here?
 
I imagine many people feel that way when the other side wins. That is true regardless of party or ideology.
Except i never mentioned 'when the other side wins'. I was talking about politicians who lie and gerrymandering.
 
I challenged people to present verifiable evidence to voter election fraud of such a significant nature the it meritied action to solve the 'problem'. The unsuccessful part comes from people like you who cannot rise to the challenge and meet it.

Verifiable evidence has been presented has been presented and people were sent to jail. I don't know what more you would need for 'verifiable evidence'.

However, as you have stated, nothing illegal was done in the Colorado case under discussion and Debbie Wasserman Schultz remains a dickhead. Case closed.
 
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