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'We have our plans': Vladimir Putin warns US against Syria military action

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j-mac said:
How about we drill, and ramp up our own, and cut SA out? I mean, we only get 19% from them anyway....Besides, can't we just fire up our windmill powered cars yet?
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because it's a finite resource, it's fungible, and it's going to run out no matter how much we drill. it needs to be replaced. the fight for diminishing resources has the potential to be catastrophic.


I think Cuba has what you're looking for, although you may not like the rest of the condition of life there.
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Cuba is a dictatorship. every other first world democracy has a system in which citizens aren't one serious illness or injury away from bankruptcy at any given time. meanwhile, we are the pro bono global army for them.

how do you feel about that? we're doing all of this interventionism for Saudi Arabia, the price of oil shoots through the roof, and not only does SA get to abdicate its duty as regional hegemon, it also makes out like a bandit. you get to pay. that something you support?
 
j-mac said:
I certainly am not arguing American hypocrisy on the issue. But at the same time, I also don't want to cede any moral authority to Russia on the matter either. Just because some think we should be going around being the world's police at great cost to us, doesn't mean that we should...
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I agree with this statement. We have no duty to the Mid East. Let them eat cake. Hell. Their chaos will cripple oil supplies for Europe and Russia (probably the reason Russia wants a stable regime there right? Oil). But to let Russia dictate "right and wrong" is hilariously naive. Hell people think it is bad to be gay in America. I don't think they want to peak into Russia.
 
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Montecresto said:
Are you kidding me?!?! The US provided chemical weapons to Iraq and encouraged their use.
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BS

The US sold botulism for the vaccination of cattle (in proper quantity for the number of cattle). If the West had not done so, many would have starved. Saddam weaponized it and let his people starve.
 
stonewall50 said:
Under my skin? PAAALEASE. You sound like every naive hippy college kid I went to University with. You so desperately want America to be the "bad guys" that you can just excuse the behavior of a government that willfully violates human rights and Putin's crackdown on freedom of speech and assembly.

The United States isn't "barely" better. It is light years better. Free speech and free assembly are tolerated here. Russia ranks 102nd in the Economists "freedom" poll where the United States lands a respectable 10th. Would you care to counter that? The fact that you think that is even debatable lets me know that you are a bias left winger and makes me wonder what country you hail from, and where you get your facts on human rights.

I'm not claiming America is perfect, nor am I denying historical events. I will not, however, accept the claims of someone who thinks the United States and RUSSIA are comparable in human rights. That is bogus and only someone with a political agenda would make that claim. No rational and informed adult would, and that is for sure.
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No, I so desperately want America to be the good guys, follow the rules and play nicely on the playground rather than bullying all the time, because we can. We have hugely different ideology.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1062281785[B said:
Obama's plan is to fire a shot across the bow?
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[/B]That's a plan?
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Not across the bow.

Into the powder magazine.

Big difference.
 
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ecofarm said:
BS

The US sold botulism for the vaccination of cattle (in proper quantity for the number of cattle). If the West had not done so, many would have starved. Saddam weaponized it and let his people starve.
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OMG. I've seen multiple people on this board prove you wrong on that, and your still peddling it. I'm not wasting my time posting the evidence for the umpteenth time, see ya Eco.
 
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Helix said:
because it's a finite resource, it's fungible, and it's going to run out no matter how much we drill. it needs to be replaced. the fight for diminishing resources has the potential to be catastrophic.
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Well, I won't contemplate the "peak oil myth" conspiracy here, but just suffice to say, that we could become regional independent for petroleum products and the despots, and global trash that make money off of us, while they cry how unjust we are would, and could eat sand for all I care.

Cuba is a dictatorship.
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uh huh....And your point?

every other first world democracy has a system in which citizens aren't one serious illness or injury away from bankruptcy at any given time. meanwhile, we are the pro bono global army for them.
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Yep, and they all come here when they have a serious illness that they need treated properly....Amazing how that works isn't it? As for the globes army, I agree to an extent. We shouldn't be acting as such.

how do you feel about that? we're doing all of this interventionism for Saudi Arabia, the price of oil shoots through the roof, and not only does SA get to abdicate its duty as regional hegemon, it also makes out like a bandit. you get to pay. that something you support?
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Well, I guess if I want to drive my pu truck to work, like I will today, to get in my big truck, and deliver the food you eat I guess I have no choice do I? Further, if America sucks so bad for you, then why do you stay? I mean, it should be clear to you by now that the old boss is the same as the new boss...
 
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Montecresto said:
OMG. I've seen multiple people on this board prove you wrong on that, and your still peddling it. I'm not wasting my time posting the evidence for the umpteenth time, see ya Eco.
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It's a fact: the US provided botulism for the vaccination of cows. No other chemical agent or precursor was provided by the US. Saddam chose to starve his people and weaponize the vaccine.

No one has ever proven this wrong because it is a fact.
 
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j-mac said:
I certainly am not arguing American hypocrisy on the issue. But at the same time, I also don't want to cede any moral authority to Russia on the matter either. Just because some think we should be going around being the world's police at great cost to us, doesn't mean that we should...
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Oh I'm not at all arguing that Russia has moral authority on this or anything, just that they are right on this issue, will you see and accept that difference.
 
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j-mac said:
Well, I won't contemplate the "peak oil myth" conspiracy here, but just suffice to say, that we could become regional independent for petroleum products and the despots, and global trash that make money off of us, while they cry how unjust we are would, and could eat sand for all I care.
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which will never happen unless you want to get the oil companies out of the business. the reason : they sell it to the highest bidder, and Wall Street gambles on futures. are you going to forbid them from exporting it?

also : for how many years can we completely meet our own demand for oil, and at what price?

it's stupid. the exam is coming, and we aren't preparing.

j-mac said:
uh huh....And your point?
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do you really need me to explain it? the point is that plenty of first world, non-dictatorships have health care for all. providing health care for citizens does not mean the country becomes a failed communist dictatorship.

j-mac said:
Yep, and they all come here when they have a serious illness that they need treated properly....Amazing how that works isn't it? As for the globes army, I agree to an extent. We shouldn't be acting as such.
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http://www.mtqua.org/providers/top-10-worlds-best-hospitals-for-medical-tourists-list/


j-mac said:
Well, I guess if I want to drive my pu truck to work, like I will today, to get in my big truck, and deliver the food you eat I guess I have no choice do I? Further, if America sucks so bad for you, then why do you stay? I mean, it should be clear to you by now that the old boss is the same as the new boss...
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because i want to improve it. we improve it by recognizing the things we're doing wrong, and fixing those things. our policies on interventionism need fixed, our energy model needs to be replaced, and our health care model needs a significant makeover.
 
Montecresto said:
Vladimir Putin has warned the US against launching military action in Syria, stating that Russia has "plans" on how it would react if such a scenario unfolded.

The Russian president's comments came as Barack Obama for the first time portrayed his plans for US military action as part of a broader strategy to topple Bashar al-Assad, as the White House's campaign to win over sceptics in Congress gained momentum.

In an interview with Associated Press and Russia's state Channel 1 television, Putin said it was too early to talk about what Russia would do if the US attacked Syria but added: "We have our ideas about what we will do and how we will do it in case the situation develops toward the use of force or otherwise. We have our plans."


'We have our plans': Vladimir Putin warns US against Syria military action | World news | theguardian.com
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President Putin has explicitly ruled out the use of force. Nevertheless, he still has numerous options that could complicate things for the U.S. Some options include:

1. Increasing arms shipments to President Assad, including more sophisticated defense systems.
2. Reducing, suspending, or abandoning Russia's role in the P+1 talks with Iran related to Iran's nuclear program.
3. Delivering on defense commitments to Iran, which would make a military strike there more complex and difficult.
4. Providing intelligence on U.S. force positions to Syria.

I still believe the U.S. has more to lose, possibly much more to lose, than to gain from carrying out a military strike against Syria (now reportedly more ambitious than previously discussed if news reports are accurate) when such an attack is not justified by the nation's critical interests.
 
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Montecresto said:
Oh I'm not at all arguing that Russia has moral authority on this or anything, just that they are right on this issue, will you see and accept that difference.
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Ok, but I am not ready yet to cede anyone is "right" on this....Hell, the UN hasn't even released their report yet. Not that it will tell us anything about who did what....

Look, I supported Bush in Iraq, and Afghanistan. I was called all sorts of names from the liberal opposition, I watched that end, and our troops pull out, and within a year they are rapidly moving back to the **** hole they were before we tried to help them....Screw em....Let them all kill each other, and we can set up a boundary that contains them while they do it...I have no love for that region of the world.
 
donsutherland1 said:
President Putin has explicitly ruled out the use of force. Nevertheless, he still has numerous options that could complicate things for the U.S. Some options include:

1. Increasing arms shipments to President Assad, including more sophisticated defense systems.
2. Reducing, suspending, or abandoning Russia's role in the P+1 talks with Iran related to Iran's nuclear program.
3. Delivering on defense commitments to Iran, which would make a military strike there more complex and difficult.
4. Providing intelligence on U.S. force positions to Syria.
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Russia has another option:

Take oil pipeline infrastructure contracts to make up for revenue lost in their "bombs for civilians" foreign aid program and work with the UN to bolster moderates in a transitional democratic government.
 
donsutherland1 said:
President Putin has explicitly ruled out the use of force. Nevertheless, he still has numerous options that could complicate things for the U.S. Some options include:

1. Increasing arms shipments to President Assad, including more sophisticated defense systems.
2. Reducing, suspending, or abandoning Russia's role in the P+1 talks with Iran related to Iran's nuclear program.
3. Delivering on defense commitments to Iran, which would make a military strike there more complex and difficult.
4. Providing intelligence on U.S. force positions to Syria.

I still believe the U.S. has more to lose, possibly much more to lose, than to gain from carrying out a military strike against Syria (now reportedly more ambitious than previously discussed if news reports are accurate) when such an attack is not justified by the nation's critical interests.
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I will agree with you on that and don't understand why so many here jumped on his comments as a threat of military action when he made no such case then or ever. That doesn't mean it would be an impossible scenario, extremely unlikely as it is. Like Eisenhower said, when hostilities began ALL plans go out the window. So the risks of this do out way any perceived benefits, unless your a warmonger, and we have plenty of those.
 
Montecresto said:
No, I so desperately want America to be the good guys, follow the rules and play nicely on the playground rather than bullying all the time, because we can. We have hugely different ideology.
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Right? So is that why you were calling America "not much better" than Russia?

You can hope all you want, but you better talk to your boy Obama about that. The fact is we will never be able to get along with everyone as long as we have this thing called freedom. I don't think Syria is worth going to war for. I don't think any Mid East nation deserves intervention anymore. They want freedom? It is their turn to die for it. We did our fighting 250 years ago. We had our religious reformations longer back than that.
 
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stonewall50 said:
Right? So is that why you were calling America "not much better" than Russia?

You can hope all you want.
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True, I can hope for American exceptional ism.
 
The Russian naval facility in Tartus is a military installation of the Russian Navy located in the port of the city of Tartus, Syria. Russian official usage classifies the installation as a Material-Technical Support Point (Russian: Пункт материально-технического обеспечения, ПМТО) and not a "base". Tartus is the last Russian military facility outside the former Soviet Union,[3] and its only Mediterranean repair and replenishment spot, sparing Russia’s warships the trip back to their Black Sea bases through the Turkish Straits.[4]

Russian naval facility in Tartus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Hmmm, now where is this in relation to known chemical sites....

NTI Facilities Displayed with Google Maps

Hmmm....They look pretty close....Sure would be a shame if a stray hit Tartus wouldn't it?
 
stonewall50 said:
Right? So is that why you were calling America "not much better" than Russia?

You can hope all you want, but you better talk to your boy Obama about that. The fact is we will never be able to get along with everyone as long as we have this thing called freedom. I don't think Syria is worth going to war for. I don't think any Mid East nation deserves intervention anymore. They want freedom? It is their turn to die for it. We did our fighting 250 years ago. We had our religious reformations longer back than that.
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I agree with your edit.
 
donsutherland1 said:
1. Increasing arms shipments to President Assad, including more sophisticated defense systems.
2. Reducing, suspending, or abandoning Russia's role in the P+1 talks with Iran related to Iran's nuclear program.
3. Delivering on defense commitments to Iran, which would make a military strike there more complex and difficult.
4. Providing intelligence on U.S. force positions to Syria.
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Dear Russia;
We have decided not to send you the $200 billion we owe you. You are no longer our #6 creditor on US public debt. You are now just someone we defaulted on. We additionally have decided to suspend any credit to your private sector. We hope this loss of $200 billion and commerce doesn't adversely impact your tiny $1.5 trillion dollar GDP economy; and hope you do not prefer to have another cold war since your defense spending is $70 billion and our is $810 billion. Good luck making Levis Jeans out of cheap potato vodka.
Sincerely;
The Americans that want you to go f**k yourself

PS: If you cannot handle Chechnya you really don't want a piece of this, Borscht Boi.
 
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Montecresto said:
Vladimir Putin has warned the US against launching military action in Syria, stating that Russia has "plans" on how it would react if such a scenario unfolded.

The Russian president's comments came as Barack Obama for the first time portrayed his plans for US military action as part of a broader strategy to topple Bashar al-Assad, as the White House's campaign to win over sceptics in Congress gained momentum.

In an interview with Associated Press and Russia's state Channel 1 television, Putin said it was too early to talk about what Russia would do if the US attacked Syria but added: "We have our ideas about what we will do and how we will do it in case the situation develops toward the use of force or otherwise. We have our plans."


'We have our plans': Vladimir Putin warns US against Syria military action | World news | theguardian.com
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Don't like to say it but ....... "Thank you Russia for helping the war against Al Qaeda"
 
ecofarm said:
BS

The US sold botulism for the vaccination of cattle (in proper quantity for the number of cattle). If the West had not done so, many would have starved. Saddam weaponized it and let his people starve.
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Actually he is right.

We sold Saddam chemical weapons: How Did Iraq Get Its Weapons? We Sold Them

And then gave him info regarding Iran even though we knew that he would use the chemical weapons: US gave Iraq intel in 1980s, ignored chemical attacks: report - FRANCE 24
 
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