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Rand Paul: Filibuster a possibility on Syria vote

tererun said:
Then congress should vote no and the reps should do what they planned and impeach obama for acting without their authority by using military force in a situation he admits was not an immediate threat to the US. They should make it blatantly obvious to him that he will abide by congressional decision since there is no threat to the US or face impeachment. That will quiet his ass down.
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That would be AWESOME, of course we both know that's not going to happen. Sounds really good though!!
 
I would like to see Filibuster this and maybe he will try to break the record for the ongest filibuster.
 
tererun said:
This has nothing to do with the use of chemical weapons. In the 1980's the US encouraged Saddam (an ally of the reagan crew) to use chemical gas weapons on Iranian troops who were about to score a massive victory over Iraq in the Iraq Iran war. We ghave Saddam the location to use the weapons, and there is a good possibility we sold him those weapons. The US has been known, since the issuance of a ban on chemical weapons, to use white phosphorus attacks on our enemies. The US has sat idly by and done absolutely nothing and even defended Isreal when they used white phosphorus on their own people in the Gaza strip. These are facts well known by the people of the middle east and muslims in that area who have been directly effected by the US and it's allies use of chemical weapions over the years, and it's lack of any negative reprocussions to people who have used those weapons. Now you expect that Syria is going to take a few missiles and say oopsie my bad that was very evil of me and I see your point and will stop immediately because it is much worse when syria does it than when iraq, isreal, and america does it? That is the message you think these people are going to get? The US is in no position to be sending any message about tolerance in regards to the use of chemical weapons for humanitarian purposes. That is even ignoring the past 10 years of massive Islamic casualties of non-combatants and rescue people. That idea the US is some sort of honorable defender or right who can do no wrong is a load of BS, and the Syrians are not going to get that message when you can barely keep it up in america anymore.

This is not about life and death or the security of the world. this is a civil war which most often we could not give a damn about as people are being brutally slaughtered, raped, and murdered in many countries. Take the fake outrage and put it in the pile of BS in the corner, and stop trying to excuse your ignorance and warmongering with patriotic ignorance and sycophantic insanity. No one is buying it any more but the most devout of the voluntarily blind.
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Do you have any evidence at all to back up that bolded claim? If so, produce it. If not you should retract that slander.
 
cpgrad08 said:
I would like to see Filibuster this and maybe he will try to break the record for the ongest filibuster.
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I think he's more interested in preventing the US from another illegal war of aggression, not set a record.
 
Montecresto said:
I think he's more interested in preventing the US from another illegal war of aggression, not set a record.
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Doesn't mean he can't do both.
 
Fletch said:
Do you have any evidence at all to back up that bolded claim? If so, produce it. If not you should retract that slander.
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Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran
The U.S. knew Hussein was launching some of the worst chemical attacks in history -- and still gave him a hand.

The U.S. government may be considering military action in response to chemical strikes near Damascus. But a generation ago, America's military and intelligence communities knew about and did nothing to stop a series of nerve gas attacks far more devastating than anything Syria has seen, Foreign Policy has learned.


In 1988, during the waning days of Iraq's war with Iran, the United States learned through satellite imagery that Iran was about to gain a major strategic advantage by exploiting a hole in Iraqi defenses. U.S. intelligence officials conveyed the location of the Iranian troops to Iraq, fully aware that Hussein's military would attack with chemical weapons, including sarin, a lethal nerve agent.


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articl...prove_america_helped_saddam_as_he_gassed_iran


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Montecresto said:
That would be AWESOME, of course we both know that's not going to happen. Sounds really good though!!
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Sure bring up the logic that congress will not set precedent on impeaching a president for not asking for their approval because it would weaken any future president's ability to do so, just like they will never remove the powers of the NSA even when the present dictator in cheif decides to use it to spy on them because in the end they love power. But in my defense considering the hatred of Obama we are the closest we will ever possibly be to them cutting off their own nose to spite their faces, and I need something to look forward to and complain at the pundits with when their people completely ignore their actual impeachable offense and start in on the benghazi thing again.
 
Did you miss Fletch's challenge to you?
 
Donc said:
By Sean Sullivan, Published: September 3 at 7:07 pm

Good.All we have to do is take a look at Libya and see what has happened when we intervened in that country.No boots on the ground their huh?:2wave:

<Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), one of the most outspoken opponents of military action in Syria, wouldn’t rule out the possibility Tuesday of launching a standing filibuster over the issue in the Senate. >

<When it comes to Syria, Paul said he believes the best hope for defeating a resolution to authorize military action will come in the House. He reiterated his view that an attack on Syria would create more turbulence and danger in the region, and may not even disable the Syrian government’s ability to launch chemical attacks. >

Rand Paul: Filibuster a possibility on Syria vote
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I find myself vaguely agreeing with Paul. Something's not right with the world.

In any case, a principled filibuster is something I can respect; as opposed to the tea party weirdness of Obamaphobia obstructionism.
 
Montecresto said:
Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran
The U.S. knew Hussein was launching some of the worst chemical attacks in history -- and still gave him a hand.

The U.S. government may be considering military action in response to chemical strikes near Damascus. But a generation ago, America's military and intelligence communities knew about and did nothing to stop a series of nerve gas attacks far more devastating than anything Syria has seen, Foreign Policy has learned.


In 1988, during the waning days of Iraq's war with Iran, the United States learned through satellite imagery that Iran was about to gain a major strategic advantage by exploiting a hole in Iraqi defenses. U.S. intelligence officials conveyed the location of the Iranian troops to Iraq, fully aware that Hussein's military would attack with chemical weapons, including sarin, a lethal nerve agent.


Exclusive: CIA Files Prove America Helped Saddam as He Gassed Iran - By Shane Harris and Matthew M. Aid | Foreign Policy


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This is old news. But conservatives will never accept that their hero Reagan was a war criminal who not only armed Saddam with WMD but trained and supported jihadists in Afghanistan against the evil empire of Russia, with its schools for girls, court-system and road building.
 
head of joaquin said:
This is old news. But conservatives will never accept that their hero Reagan was a war criminal who not only armed Saddam with WMD but trained and supported jihadists in Afghanistan against the evil empire of Russia, with its schools for girls, court-system and road building.
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Yeah, I know. How is it Fletch didn't know.
 
head of joaquin said:
This is old news. But conservatives will never accept that their hero Reagan was a war criminal who not only armed Saddam with WMD but trained and supported jihadists in Afghanistan against the evil empire of Russia, with its schools for girls, court-system and road building.
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Ironically, It was Jimmy Carter that started that policy. July 3, 1979 President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to Mujahideen.
CRG -- The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan

Reagan just expanded Carter policy.
 
Yep, that's true.
 
I like how opposition to thee filibuster is uniting all sorts of interesting groups together. I think this is one of the rare few instances where liberals, conservatives, libertarians, and independents all agree on something.

Nobody wants this war except people in the political establishment. Remember to call your senators and congress people and tell them to say NO! It's amazing how a few votes can have sway.

Senators.
U.S. Senate: Senators Home

Congressmen and women.
Nevada in the 113th Congress (1st Session)
 
reinoe said:
I like how opposition to thee filibuster is uniting all sorts of interesting groups together. I think this is one of the rare few instances where liberals, conservatives, libertarians, and independents all agree on something.

Nobody wants this war except people in the political establishment. Remember to call your senators and congress people and tell them to say NO! It's amazing how a few votes can have sway.

Senators.
U.S. Senate: Senators Home

Congressmen and women.
Nevada in the 113th Congress (1st Session)
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I dunno buddy, a Syrian attack has a fair amount of support right here on this board. And the White House and media propaganda machine are driving up the poll numbers of the ever so gullible American public. The whole things pathetic, sick really!
 
austrianecon said:
Ironically, It was Jimmy Carter that started that policy. July 3, 1979 President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to Mujahideen.
CRG -- The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan

Reagan just expanded Carter policy.
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Nope, Reagan sent stinger missiles and proclaimed them the moral equivalent of our founding fathers. Carter was just against an invasion of another country. He was wrong for the right reasons. Reagan was just dead wrong.
 
Navy Pride said:
Vote against...Make that coward Obama make a decision for once in his life...Then if things go wrong he can't blame congress like he blames President Bush
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And if it goes "right" you'll blame him for not getting Congressional authority.

Obamaphobia: you're soaking in it.
 
head of joaquin said:
And if it goes "right" you'll blame him for not getting Congressional authority.

Obamaphobia: you're soaking in it.
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What is with people like yourself that have to constantly make up phobias?
 
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