• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Syria Conflict Could Turn into another World War, Warns Vatican

Μολὼν λαβέ;1062271340 said:
For those who think the Pope is off his rocker, just remember, WWI started after one person was killed.

Yeah I think the Pope is 1) towing the line of the church and 2) not unaware that Italy has been a very easy soft target for terrorism in the past.
 
And Hitler was on the cover of a 1936 Time Magazine as man of the year!

How does that old saying end? Some here seem to have, well, forgotten it. "Those who do not remember history..."
 
Are bound to repeat it.
 
Syria Conflict Could Turn into another World War, Warns Vatican - IBTimes UK


So, the Vatican is concerned about an attack on Syria causing another world war. Are they overreacting? Do they know something most others don't know?

Another article in the German daily "Die Welt", a commentary, compares the situation to Serbia 1914:
Militärintervention : Kann der Konflikt in Syrien im Weltkrieg enden? - Nachrichten Debatte - Kommentare - DIE WELT

What do you think?

Not sure about a World War. I am sure though that Pope Francis is extremely concerned about what could happen to the Christians of Syria. It's also not out of the question to think an attack on Syria could lead to involvement from Iran,who might attack Israel and perhaps Jordan. Unlikely but not something that could not happen. World War 1 started and escalated over far less.
 
I think there might be a chance of WW only if Israel get involved. By attacking or by being attacked.
 
I think there might be a chance of WW only if Israel get involved. By attacking or by being attacked.

Syria already promised to bomb Israel if attacked. Iran also mentioned something of the kind.

The prospects of WW3 are very, very real. :(
 
It's a proxy war fueled by Russia and Iran on one side, and the US, Saudi Arabia and Qatar on the other.

Russia has its largest and only marine base outside its territory in Syria and thus supports Assad. The West/the pro-Western gulf states support the rebels. America wants to push Russia out of the ME, because they consider them a strategic enemy that must be rolled back.
No they don't. The 'red threat' is all but forever diminished. What might be the 'strategic' advantage of backing Russia against a wall? It's already crippled. Does one corner a wounded animal? One with such sharp teeth? Russia has interests in oil, too, yet has nothing like America's credit or purchasing power. In the present time, they're only a threat to the extent they're threatened. Russia won't endanger the flow of western credits, that represent the only reason it avoids an economic abyss it may never arise from.
 
They're looking at current event, as measured against history, like some of the rest of us are.

More mishandling by Obama and WW3 is exactly what we could end up with.
How could WW3 be measured against historical precedent?

There isn't any.
 
It's the Vatican.

Assad could update his FB status with a selfie of him straddling a chemical weapon with a message of " Dear FSA, you are soooo ****ed. LOL.Kind regards, Basher" painted on the side. They would still advocate a diplomatic resolution and preach about unintended consequences of military action.
 
World War i believe is a bit bunch. I believe its gonna stay in the Syrian region and border countries of Syria. I dont see this becoming anything close to another "world war".

That is the only reason why the Syria regime change project should be halted. If it spirals to WW3, well then by all means, fvck it!! It will have to wait for a while!

Why have not any negotiations taken place. Serbia's president Milloschevich was conducting atrocities on the ground with his army while also being in negotiations with the west. I mean we have spoken to criminals before. Why not now also?
 
More mishandling by Obama and WW3 is exactly what we could end up with.

Obama does not work alone. Would not his followers and analysis do the work of approximating or predicting the final outcome or scenes?

If WW3 is in there somewhere, then hell no!
 
But wait!!

We forgot G20! There is a meeting that will take in G20.

You see, now it all makes sense. They may be raising dust with this WW3 business just to make things more uncertain and compromise in that meeting! They shall be striking deals in that meeting you see. Putin may be wanting more securities or so in Syria and he will get to speak of those there.
 
Syria Conflict Could Turn into another World War, Warns Vatican - IBTimes UK


So, the Vatican is concerned about an attack on Syria causing another world war. Are they overreacting? Do they know something most others don't know?

Another article in the German daily "Die Welt", a commentary, compares the situation to Serbia 1914:
Militärintervention : Kann der Konflikt in Syrien im Weltkrieg enden? - Nachrichten Debatte - Kommentare - DIE WELT

What do you think?

vatican is just jealous of evangelists :duel
 

Sounds ominous!
In response to these questions, the PNAC states its aim to "remind America" of "lessons" learned from American history, drawing the following "four consequences" for America in 1997:

we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;
we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad; [and]
we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.
 
Bush rejected Putin's open arms after 9/11 and the US repeatedly kicked in his face (Iraq 2003, Ukraine 2004, Georgia 2008, Libya 2011), since Bush followed Billy Kristol's strategic musings about rolling back Russia and destroying it on the long run. Obama has obviously just continued that policy.

That doesn't mean Putin is a nice guy, or a better guy. The Russians have their weird geotrategic paranoia too and aren't over the loss of the USSR yet.

But this confrontation over Syria is just the next logical step in a long line of events Bush started after 9/11, mentored by his PNAC advisors.

You would probably know more about Russian imperialism than many in the West given that they controlled, through their German proxies, the eastern half of the country.

Of course the real threat is is still the Americans and the attitude of organizations like PNAC. The Russians you can trust, despite their paranoia.
 
Syria already promised to bomb Israel if attacked. Iran also mentioned something of the kind.

The prospects of WW3 are very, very real. :(

WW3 was against Communism, won by the only remaining Superpower. WW4 is already in progress against the Islamofascists.
 
Syria Conflict Could Turn into another World War, Warns Vatican - IBTimes UK


So, the Vatican is concerned about an attack on Syria causing another world war. Are they overreacting? Do they know something most others don't know?

Another article in the German daily "Die Welt", a commentary, compares the situation to Serbia 1914:
Militärintervention : Kann der Konflikt in Syrien im Weltkrieg enden? - Nachrichten Debatte - Kommentare - DIE WELT

What do you think?


Iraq also had this potential, as does Iran.


Anytime you get one of the great powers attacking a country where the other two (Russia, China) have vested interests, the risk of an escalating conflict exists.


As to whether it is LIKELY... I have my doubts.
 
Obama does not work alone. Would not his followers and analysis do the work of approximating or predicting the final outcome or scenes?

If WW3 is in there somewhere, then hell no!

Obama is surrounded by yes men who are no more qualified than he is.
 
Iraq also had this potential, as does Iran.


Anytime you get one of the great powers attacking a country where the other two (Russia, China) have vested interests, the risk of an escalating conflict exists.

As to whether it is LIKELY... I have my doubts.

And rightly so.

Where would be the benefit to either Russia or China? There is no strongly held ideology that separates these countries, and no one's security is at risk. Neither can any of these countries afford a war. There might be some Cold War posturing but it would go nowhere.

Russia and China have probably both been informed that a few missiles will be dropped in order to same some face but it will stop there, and both Russia and Chine will quietly acquiesce..
 
Obama is surrounded by yes men who are no more qualified than he is.

At least when he made Hillary Clinton his Secretary of State he did not allow her to have anything to do with Iraq or Afgan for about three years or so. But with Kerry, he added no much needed adult supervision.
 
Take a side. As everyone.

We have already done that. What I was getting at was that if Russia and Iran attack an ally in ME (i.e., Israel), what is to stop Russia, Serbia, and perhaps Montenegro attacking European allies (i.e., us) here?

Considering Greeks do not go after you below since they are in NATO. Though considering their economic crisis they might nevertheless.
 
Obama is surrounded by yes men who are no more qualified than he is.

You mean Obama is left, is surrounded by yes men, influences uncritical group think influence, just like Kennedies did, and all this is Bay of Pigs all over again? I do not think so. To beat the devastating influences of group think you just assign a devils advocate. But of course they know this undergraduate stuff and may as well be working along those lines.
 
Back
Top Bottom