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Syria Conflict Could Turn into another World War, Warns Vatican

Maybe I'm just worrying too much, but I am afraid you are right. Although I don't think this is an "Obama vs. Republicans" thing. Bush started this policy with full force, and Obama just continues it. Blueprint is the "Project for a New American Century".

Bush didn't start anything. This was started by the mad-men of the world that insist on forcing America's had at every turn. Obama was nowhere close to being qualified to handle these kinds of situations. If he really cared about the country, he would resign. At this point, even Biden is more qualified to handle a hot situation such as this. The advantage Biden has over the bad guys, is that they think he's actually stupid enough to do something crazy.
 
Bush didn't start anything. This was started by the mad-men of the world that insist on forcing America's had at every turn. Obama was nowhere close to being qualified to handle these kinds of situations. If he really cared about the country, he would resign. At this point, even Biden is more qualified to handle a hot situation such as this. The advantage Biden has over the bad guys, is that they think he's actually stupid enough to do something crazy.

Your the dude that needs to look at the link that German put up.
 
Bush didn't start anything. This was started by the mad-men of the world that insist on forcing America's had at every turn. Obama was nowhere close to being qualified to handle these kinds of situations. If he really cared about the country, he would resign. At this point, even Biden is more qualified to handle a hot situation such as this. The advantage Biden has over the bad guys, is that they think he's actually stupid enough to do something crazy.

Bush rejected Putin's open arms after 9/11 and the US repeatedly kicked in his face (Iraq 2003, Ukraine 2004, Georgia 2008, Libya 2011), since Bush followed Billy Kristol's strategic musings about rolling back Russia and destroying it on the long run. Obama has obviously just continued that policy.

That doesn't mean Putin is a nice guy, or a better guy. The Russians have their weird geotrategic paranoia too and aren't over the loss of the USSR yet.

But this confrontation over Syria is just the next logical step in a long line of events Bush started after 9/11, mentored by his PNAC advisors.
 
Sounds like its validated and confirmed by the Press and of course an Unnamed official who wasn't authorized to speak. :roll:

I find it hard to know whom to believe and whom not, in this. As they say: "In war, truth dies first".

What's known to some extent, though, are the interests and objectives of the players.
 
I find it hard to know whom to believe and whom not, in this. As they say: "In war, truth dies first".

What's known to some extent, though, are the interests and objectives of the players.

Yeah I know how you feel German Guy.....myself I haven't been going with just one or two sides of the story. ;)

Associated Press – 3 hrs ago

Syria is said to be hiding weapons, moving troops

The main Western-backed opposition group says that during the buildup last week to what seemed like an imminent U.S. attack, the army moved troops as well as rocket launchers, artillery and other heavy weapons into residential neighborhoods in cities nationwide. Three Damascus residents, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals, confirmed such movements.

A U.S. official confirmed there are indications that the Syrian regime is taking steps to move some of its military equipment and bolster protection for defense facilities.

The official, who was not authorized to discuss intelligence matters and spoke on condition of anonymity, said that at this point, the U.S. has the information it needs to maintain a good handle on what the regime is doing to prepare.....snip~

Syria is said to be hiding weapons, moving troops
 
Yeah I know how you feel German Guy.....myself I haven't been going with just one or two sides of the story. ;)

Associated Press – 3 hrs ago

Syria is said to be hiding weapons, moving troops

The main Western-backed opposition group says that during the buildup last week to what seemed like an imminent U.S. attack, the army moved troops as well as rocket launchers, artillery and other heavy weapons into residential neighborhoods in cities nationwide. Three Damascus residents, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals, confirmed such movements.

A U.S. official confirmed there are indications that the Syrian regime is taking steps to move some of its military equipment and bolster protection for defense facilities.

The official, who was not authorized to discuss intelligence matters and spoke on condition of anonymity, said that at this point, the U.S. has the information it needs to maintain a good handle on what the regime is doing to prepare.....snip~

Syria is said to be hiding weapons, moving troops

A lot of anonymity in their but I wouldn't doubt it. Thing is the US already said they wouldn't attack the chemical supplies anyway for obvious reasons.
 
A lot of anonymity in their but I wouldn't doubt it. Thing is the US already said they wouldn't attack the chemical supplies anyway for obvious reasons.

Well its us doing the talking.....so we tend to change things up and do what we said we wouldn't do.....then afterwards. We will say we misspoke.;)

Either way its not like the Pope was going to advocate war.

Although with the Pope and Ban Ki and the UN saying what they are. One thing is for certain. The Neo Cons and Neo libs aint liking it. ;)
 
Heya DV. :2wave: Well the UN has come out now saying that military action over this issue would only be in defense, and thinks this can lead to more conflict outside Syria. So the Pope is in accordance with them as well.

No clear side to support is the reason I don't support any action there. Of the factions, one, probably the smallest, is the only one that might actually be worth a damned, note I said probably. All the rest are just "which evil do you want?" type choices.
 
Your the dude that needs to look at the link that German put up.

IOW, you want me to play into the conspiracy theories? Thanks, but I'll stick to reality.
 
Well its us doing the talking.....so we tend to change things up and do what we said we wouldn't do.....then afterwards. We will say we misspoke.;)

Either way its not like the Pope was going to advocate war.

Although with the Pope and Ban Ki and the UN saying what they are. One thing is for certain. The Neo Cons and Neo libs aint liking it. ;)


Oh yeah, that's for damn sure.
 
Bush rejected Putin's open arms after 9/11 and the US repeatedly kicked in his face (Iraq 2003, Ukraine 2004, Georgia 2008, Libya 2011), since Bush followed Billy Kristol's strategic musings about rolling back Russia and destroying it on the long run. Obama has obviously just continued that policy.

That doesn't mean Putin is a nice guy, or a better guy. The Russians have their weird geotrategic paranoia too and aren't over the loss of the USSR yet.

But this confrontation over Syria is just the next logical step in a long line of events Bush started after 9/11, mentored by his PNAC advisors.

The difference, is that Obama mistakenly believed that through his intellectual superiority, he could schmooze these clowns into doing what he wants...he doesn't have enough common sense to know that his warm and fuzzy approach isn't going to work. Putin was dealing with a tiger before and now he's dealing with a kitty cat. The worst part is, Putin knows the difference.
 
IOW, you want me to play into the conspiracy theories? Thanks, but I'll stick to reality.


Wow, PNAC is a conspiracy? I suppose its also a conspiracy that while he was yet governor of Texas Bush said that when he's president, if he gets the chance to go into Iraq, he won't screw up like his dad did, he'll go all the way to Baghdad and take Saddam Hussein out?
 
IOW, you want me to play into the conspiracy theories? Thanks, but I'll stick to reality.

The "Project for the New American Century" is not a conspiracy theory, but was an influential think tank that designed much of the policies of the Bush administration and many members of the administration were involved in it.
 
Wow, PNAC is a conspiracy? I suppose its also a conspiracy that while he was yet governor of Texas Bush said that when he's president, if he gets the chance to go into Iraq, he won't screw up like his dad did, he'll go all the way to Baghdad and take Saddam Hussein out?

Link? Thanks!
 
Link? Thanks!


Well German gave you the PNAC link and here's the other.

In 1999, Mickey Herskowitz is hired to ghostwrite a campaign autobiography for George W. Bush, an assignment that was later withdrawn. Herskowitz later spoke about Bush for an article by journalist Russ Baker: “He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999... It was on his mind. He said to me: ‘One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.’ ”

"According to Herskowitz, Bush’s beliefs on Iraq were based in part on a notion dating back to the Reagan White House – ascribed in part to now-vice president Dick Cheney, Chairman of the House Republican Policy Committee under Reagan. “Start a small war. Pick a country where there is justification you can jump on, go ahead and invade.”

"Bush’s circle of pre-election advisers had a fixation on the political capital that British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher collected from the Falklands War. Said Herskowitz: “They were just absolutely blown away, just enthralled by the scenes of the troops coming back, of the boats, people throwing flowers at [Thatcher] and her getting these standing ovations in Parliament and making these magnificent speeches.” (Guerrilla News Network)

http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/muriel/path_of_war_timeline_613.htm
 
Well German gave you the PNAC link and here's the other.

In 1999, Mickey Herskowitz is hired to ghostwrite a campaign autobiography for George W. Bush, an assignment that was later withdrawn. Herskowitz later spoke about Bush for an article by journalist Russ Baker: “He was thinking about invading Iraq in 1999... It was on his mind. He said to me: ‘One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.’ ”

"According to Herskowitz, Bush’s beliefs on Iraq were based in part on a notion dating back to the Reagan White House – ascribed in part to now-vice president Dick Cheney, Chairman of the House Republican Policy Committee under Reagan. “Start a small war. Pick a country where there is justification you can jump on, go ahead and invade.”

"Bush’s circle of pre-election advisers had a fixation on the political capital that British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher collected from the Falklands War. Said Herskowitz: “They were just absolutely blown away, just enthralled by the scenes of the troops coming back, of the boats, people throwing flowers at [Thatcher] and her getting these standing ovations in Parliament and making these magnificent speeches.” (Guerrilla News Network)

So, now link quoting Bush? Gasp! No links at all! Now, why am I not surprised?
 
What are you talking about?



A number of administration insiders have revealed that Bush actually intended to invade Iraq long before he made these claims — even before 9/11. Osama Siblani, the publisher of an Arab-American newspaper, has said that Bush told him while still a candidate that he was going to “take Saddam out” if he became president. Richard Clarke, Bush’s counterterrorism advisor, has said that the administration “had been planning to do something about Iraq from before the time they came into office,” and that they were looking for a causus belli as early as March, 2001. And then, of course, Mickey Herskowitz, Bush’s ghostwriter, has claimed that Bush’s need to be seen as a capable commander-in-chief led him to decide to invade Iraq as early as 1999:
It was on his mind. He said to me: “One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief.” And he said, “My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.” He said, “If I have a chance to invade, if I had that much capital, I’m not going to waste it. I’m going to get everything passed that I want to get passed and I’m going to have a successful presidency.”


http://opiniojuris.org/2007/05/12/surprising-evidence-bush-planned-to-invade-iraq-before-911/
 
Yeah I know how you feel German Guy.....myself I haven't been going with just one or two sides of the story. ;)

Associated Press – 3 hrs ago

Syria is said to be hiding weapons, moving troops

The main Western-backed opposition group says that during the buildup last week to what seemed like an imminent U.S. attack, the army moved troops as well as rocket launchers, artillery and other heavy weapons into residential neighborhoods in cities nationwide. Three Damascus residents, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals, confirmed such movements.

A U.S. official confirmed there are indications that the Syrian regime is taking steps to move some of its military equipment and bolster protection for defense facilities.

The official, who was not authorized to discuss intelligence matters and spoke on condition of anonymity, said that at this point, the U.S. has the information it needs to maintain a good handle on what the regime is doing to prepare.....snip~

Syria is said to be hiding weapons, moving troops

Good evening, MMC. :2wave:

I was once told to believe nothing I hear, and only half of what I see. Well, using that as a yardstick, I'm having a difficult time reconciling two sides of the same problem. If this story from the AP is correct that the Assad regime is moving troops and military equipment into residential neighborhoods, that sounds to me that just the threat that we might follow through seemed to work. On the other hand, there are the rebels who might actually relish the chaos that would follow. Not that they would openly show what actions they are taking in this interim period. Oh no. They would be secretly doing the exact same thing. So I guess my point is why should I believe that only the regime is doing what they must to survive? Even if we are not respected, as some state, we are still feared. Maybe that is the best we can hope for.
 
Good evening, MMC. :2wave:

I was once told to believe nothing I hear, and only half of what I see. Well, using that as a yardstick, I'm having a difficult time reconciling two sides of the same problem. If this story from the AP is correct that the Assad regime is moving troops and military equipment into residential neighborhoods, that sounds to me that just the threat that we might follow through seemed to work. On the other hand, there are the rebels who might actually relish the chaos that would follow. Not that they would openly show what actions they are taking in this interim period. Oh no. They would be secretly doing the exact same thing. So I guess my point is why should I believe that only the regime is doing what they must to survive? Even if we are not respected, as some state, we are still feared. Maybe that is the best we can hope for.

Hiya Polgara. :2wave: Well.....they have said the Opposition has pulled back their people as well. Looks like they don't want to become casualties of the Punishment either. ;)
 
For those who think the Pope is off his rocker, just remember, WWI started after one person was killed.
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1062271340 said:
For those who think the Pope is off his rocker, just remember, WWI started after one person was killed.

And Hitler was on the cover of a 1936 Time Magazine as man of the year!
 
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