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Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporval

Re: Obama: "US should take military action against Syria", seeks Congressional Apporv

Well gosh...this is shocking. Yet another Obama move where he abandons his strong ardent position and now will put it before congress. Great move. Congress says go...its the republicans fault. Congress says no...well...thats the republicans fault too.

Dood was all bowed up, sendin in ships and everything ready to be all badass and blow **** up. Now...

That soft little snapping sound you just heard was what was left of the tiny bit of spine that he had. He LOOKS weak. The world SEES him as weak. His red line got crossed before and he didnt do jack dammit. Shouldnt ought to be engaging his lips and how does that old saying go, stop writing checks he cant cash.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
Because there is no evidence; and what evidence is out there is that it was the rebels, that includes Alquaida, are the ones responsible... But like Kerry said, it doesn't matter WHO COMMITTED THE CRIME, but the fact tha SOMEONE committed the crime is EnouGh to go after Assad.

The whole administration MUST BE FLUSHED and soon before we go to war with Syria and Russia at the minimum... Especially on behalf of Alquaida who we are at war with.

Obama, by supporting the rebels is aiding and abetting our enemies; that is the definition of treason. Even more direct treason than what GW had done.
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Info wars, right? The folks that believe 9/11 was an inside job (wait, you do too). Snore
 
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TheGirlNextDoor said:
Then why, are we not being supported by our strongest of allies, hmm?
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because our politicans are spineless and wanted to score political points rather than doing the right thing. ( which will also happen in the US)
 
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Sherman123 said:
Your assertion remains unfounded. There is no reason whatsoever to believe we are risking 'open war' over a missile strike on Syria. The worst (and still unlikely) outcome is a Syria that lashes out at it's neighbors. I think even this scenario is supremely unlikely. Russian involvement is a fiction, it is not even part of the equation.
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ainst-saudi-arabia-if-west-attacks-syria.html
http://www.debatepolitics.com/international-politics/171186-russia-sends-warships-mediterranean.html

They have a big chance to do the big dog in the region.
Also considering that Putin see Obama and his actions of a bored child.
He wouldn't dare to mess around with Bush, not even through TV. But with Obama seems to be so easy.
 
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Canell said:
I wanted to tell you that Russia cares. So does Iran, they declared that many times.
Why risk an open war for something that isn't even proven to be true?
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This is the key. He HAS TO STOP talking and posturing like a badass. He has to tell his own people to shut the **** up. He didnt act in May...probably because his red line was crossed by the very people he SUPPORTS. His stupidity is the kind of behavior that makes you a target.
 
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VanceMack said:
Well gosh...this is shocking. Yet another Obama move where he abandons his strong ardent position and now will put it before congress. Great move. Congress says go...its the republicans fault. Congress says no...well...thats the republicans fault too.

Dood was all bowed up, sendin in ships and everything ready to be all badass and blow **** up. Now...

That soft little snapping sound you just heard was what was left of the tiny bit of spine that he had. He LOOKS weak. The world SEES him as weak. His red line got crossed before and he didnt do jack dammit. Shouldnt ought to be engaging his lips and how does that old saying go, stop writing checks he cant cash.
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And firing a missile at syria without approval from congress or the un security council would have been stupid.
 
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Higgins86 said:
because our politicans are spineless and wanted to score political points rather than doing the right thing. ( which will also happen in the US)
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What is the right thing? Is it right to launch a few hundred cruise missiles and call that good? Against whom? Do we even know who used the chemical weapons or if it was the same people that used them the LAST time the line got crossed? And if there is PROOF it was Assad...why just cruise missiles? Hell...that will accomplish nothing.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
And firing a missile at syria without approval from congress or the un security council would have been stupid.
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Then maybe he should stop posturing. The word from his own administration was hey...there is PROOF...no doubt...send in the ships...attack within days...that was last Tuesday. The attack...you know...the one requiring attention...took place 10 DAYS ago. 1400 died at SOMEONES hands...but so far 100,000 have died. We are just really firmly committed to the cause, right?
 
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Jredbaron96 said:
Obama is now seeking Congressional approval for strikes against Syria.

Thoughts? Comments? Another date, my love?
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I like that idea. Don't you? I really feel Obama is a true Constitutionalist and is POTUS at a time where America hates every POTUS no matter how good or bad they might be. I believe history will be very kind towards Obama. I think he is a great POTUS, and I liken him to the integrity and great will of Abraham Lincoln. Not sure I can say that since I didn't vote for him (I only vote Libertarian and hate the GOP and DNC platofrms), but I love this POTUS.
 
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VanceMack said:
What is the right thing? Is it right to launch a few hundred cruise missiles and call that good? Against whom? Do we even know who used the chemical weapons or if it was the same people that used them the LAST time the line got crossed? And if there is PROOF it was Assad...why just cruise missiles? Hell...that will accomplish nothing.
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Yeah - I am not sure what the White House is thinking on this one. Oh dang - last night on XM124 POTUS Channel; they said the White House published some of the findings they de-classified. If will find it and share the link. I haven't read it - will do that now.

OK - I found it. Go to Whitehouse.gov and click on Statements and Releases. From there click on "Government Assessment of the Syrian Government’s Use of Chemical Weapons".
 
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Objective Voice said:
My neighbor warned me that would happen. Immediately after the President stated he'd seek congressional approval, he said, "Don't watch Fox News. They'll start condemning him for going to Congress knowing just yesterday they were bitching about him not going to Congress." Predictable....and laughable.:lamo
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Oh, it's laughable all right.

Problem is, the world is laughing at the United States. Our President made his 5th grade level "red line" comments and then kept on doubling down on them. Now he says he's going to go to congress but is not even going to recall from a recess to do it. Yes siree bob, the world is laughing and wondering who will make the next foolish remarks, Obama or his Secretary of State.

Of course it has all been predictable, we've already suffered through four years of his disasters.
 
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Sherman123 said:
Your assertion remains unfounded. There is no reason whatsoever to believe we are risking 'open war' over a missile strike on Syria. The worst (and still unlikely) outcome is a Syria that lashes out at it's neighbors. I think even this scenario is supremely unlikely. Russian involvement is a fiction, it is not even part of the equation.
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Alright, you just stated that the worse (although unlikely IYO) is for Syria to lash out at its neighbors, Turkey being one towhich the US is closely allied with. What if Turkey decides to strike back? Don't you think one of Syria's allies wouldn't come to their aid, the most likely being either Iran or Russia?

Another bad scenario would be if Jordan decides to fight back against the inevitable Islamic insurgency that is sure to follow an U.S. unilateral strike. You've said it yourself that Egypt is unlikely to get involved which further confirms there's no buffer between a potential swarm of Muslim extremist fighting against Jordan but also making their way towards Israel.

Hypothetical? But we all know the Middle-East is a powder keg waiting to explode. All the radicals need is a reason to light the fuse.

My point here is there's a lot at stake here, far more than some people are willing to admit.
 
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Snappo said:
Yeah - I am not sure what the White House is thinking on this one. Oh dang - last night on XM124 POTUS Channel; they said the White House published some of the findings they de-classified. If will find it and share the link. I haven't read it - will do that now.

OK - I found it. Go to Whitehouse.gov and click on Statements and Releases. From there click on "Government Assessment of the Syrian Government’s Use of Chemical Weapons".
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If that's the 4-page white paper on the matter, I've read it. The one thing I'd insist on would be clear proof that the chemical weapons attack was sanctioned by the Syria government. Lack of such proof and very little international support for military action are the only real sticking point with me.
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
Oh, it's laughable all right.

Problem is, the world is laughing at the United States. Our President made his 5th grade level "red line" comments and then kept on doubling down on them. Now he says he's going to go to congress but is not even going to recall from a recess to do it. Yes siree bob, the world is laughing and wondering who will make the next foolish remarks, Obama or his Secretary of State.

Of course it has all been predictable, we've already suffered through four years of his disasters.
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I suspect you hate Obama because you are pro GOP and hate anyone who is part of the DNC. That having been said, I think Obama is doing a great job, much prefer him to McSame & Juggs or to Romney & Lyin' Ryan. Kerry is a solid Secretary of State, as was Clinton. I'm not in love with Biden the liar; but that's a story for another day. I could care less what the world thinks of USA as long as they aren't trying to attack her or her citizens. And if they hate us so much they should tell us to pull our troops out of NATO and stop accepting our free money, free arms, or even our commerce. That would be fine and dandy. Until then; the world is a bunch of butt kissing hypocrites that suck off the teet of the US Taxpayers and US Workforce.
 
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Canell said:
It's not silly. Syria, Russia, China and Iran are friends and allies. Syria promised to strike Israel if attacked. Lebanon, I'm not sure. Jordan will not stay put. Egypt is already on fire... The whole region is a damn dynamite store.
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The key to igniting WW3 is whether or not Israel is attacked. If they are, they most certainly will respond with military force. If that happens expect Russia, Iran, and probably China to start shooting too. I wonder if any of those countries with nukes can suppress the possibility of using them, especially if they are losing a conventional war. It will be interesting to see how other ME countries respond as well.
 
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Objective Voice said:
Alright, you just stated that the worse (although unlikely IYO) is for Syria to lash out at its neighbors, Turkey being one towhich the US is closely allied with. What if Turkey decides to strike back? Don't you think one of Syria's allies wouldn't come to their aid, the most likely being either Iran or Russia?

Another bad scenario would be if Jordan decides to fight back against the inevitable Islamic insurgency that is sure to follow an U.S. unilateral strike. You've said it yourself that Egypt is unlikely to get involved which further confirms there's no buffer between a potential swarm of Muslim extremist fighting against Jordan but also making their way towards Israel.

Hypothetical? But we all know the Middle-East is a powder keg waiting to explode. All the radicals need is a reason to light the fuse.

My point here is there's a lot at stake here, far more than some people are willing to admit.
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Turkey would strike back because Turkey has included itself as part of a broader coalition. There are risks in any military action, however I think there a variety of good reasons to think that Assad's response would be extremely limited if anything at all.

As for the rest... why would an 'Islamic insurgency' suddenly sprout in Jordan if the US, Turkey, and France launched a punitive raid on Syria? Where would this Islamist insurgency come from? Why? That is an extraordinary claim to make. Moreover to then propose that this would metastasize into a 'horde' of Islamists who would rampage into Israel and Egypt goes beyond a hypothetical suggestion--its fiction.
 
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Objective Voice said:
If that's the 4-page white paper on the matter, I've read it. The one thing I'd insist on would be clear proof that the chemical weapons attack was sanctioned by the Syria government. Lack of such proof and very little international support for military action are the only real sticking point with me.
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Hey OV. Yeah - I just read it after I sent you the link. Looks like they had a ton of detail - more than I expected for a declassified summary. So we knew where the chemical munitions were being made, who was making them, had satellite and U-2 data (that's what geo spacial means, BTW) and on-the-ground information about gas masks being handed out before the attack, and lots of other information. Much as I think CIA, NSA, and the rest of the spooks overstep their boundaries versus our privacy; it seems they were collecting quite a bit of data on Syria these past few years. I agree with Obama that it was Assad. I am still left to wonder why it was OK for Al Qaeda and Assad to kill each other to the tune of 100,000 people and then get all spooled up about 1,400 folks on the back end 2 years later. Seems if we were that worried about human life we would have done something sooner; doesn't it? Are we hoping to draw Iran out of the woodwork with this so we can go after them when they do something to Israel? Or is that a bit too "grassy knoll"-ish?
 
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Coin said:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ainst-saudi-arabia-if-west-attacks-syria.html
http://www.debatepolitics.com/international-politics/171186-russia-sends-warships-mediterranean.html

They have a big chance to do the big dog in the region.
Also considering that Putin see Obama and his actions of a bored child.
He wouldn't dare to mess around with Bush, not even through TV. But with Obama seems to be so easy.
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Putin is not going to attack anyone. This. Will. Not. Happen. It is a fantastical suggestion. There is no plan to bomb Saudi Arabia. There is no plan to engage the United States. There is no plan to send an expeditionary force on a Middle Eastern jaunt.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1062258462 said:
The key to igniting WW3 is whether or not Israel is attacked. If they are, they most certainly will respond with military force. If that happens expect Russia, Iran, and probably China to start shooting too. I wonder if any of those countries with nukes can suppress the possibility of using them, especially if they are losing a conventional war. It will be interesting to see how other ME countries respond as well.
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I have read that we considered using them in Vietnam. Been years; but I can probably dig up articles/documents about that if you are curious. One of the Generals wrote about it years later.
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
Oh, it's laughable all right.

Problem is, the world is laughing at the United States. Our President made his 5th grade level "red line" comments and then kept on doubling down on them. Now he says he's going to go to congress but is not even going to recall from a recess to do it. Yes siree bob, the world is laughing and wondering who will make the next foolish remarks, Obama or his Secretary of State.

Of course it has all been predictable, we've already suffered through four years of his disasters.
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This looks just like the yappy little school yard bitch that starts running his mouth about kicking someones ass, then when no one else has jumped in, he starts telling people, "hold me back! You better hold me back...look...they held me back. You are LUCKY cuz I wuz gonna lay down a beat down like you aint never had before..."
 
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Barack Obama and the Congress is about to prove that they've been in favor of al-Qaeda all along. Remove the legitimate ruling government and install a puppet government with Al-Qaeda in charge. I guess Obama really does want to destroy this country by bringing on WW3. The saddest thing is that he was still the better choice between the two major parties.

I should have known it would come to this when John McCain went to Syria in order to reveal classified documents. It was reported that he was shouting "Death to America" and "Allah u Akbar" often during the trip but it sounded so ridiculous that I didn't believe it.
 
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ItAin'tFree said:
Oh, it's laughable all right.
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Yeah, it's laughable. For every repub that is against both ways, there's a dem that's for both ways - and both go against their base platform.
 
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Sherman123 said:
Putin is not going to attack anyone. This. Will. Not. Happen. It is a fantastical suggestion. There is no plan to bomb Saudi Arabia. There is no plan to engage the United States. There is no plan to send an expeditionary force on a Middle Eastern jaunt.
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Putin cannot attack USA. He is our #6 creditor for USA public debt and we owe him an amount equal to 15% of his GDP. If we default he will have a severe debt crisis that pushes him into a major depression and possibly causes the end of his career and the existence of his party.
 
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Sherman123 said:
Putin is not going to attack anyone. This. Will. Not. Happen. It is a fantastical suggestion. There is no plan to bomb Saudi Arabia. There is no plan to engage the United States. There is no plan to send an expeditionary force on a Middle Eastern jaunt.
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Yeah, i also believe Russia wouldn't dare to attack USA.
But i can't be sure they would not attack any other country. If they do, they will have the morale clean and no one can judge them. (Always if US is going to attack Syria without any evidence on sight yet or with out UN/Congress authorization).

However, it depends how situation may go on.
If Syria won't stand like Libya but will respond with force, it will eventually push US to get further involved (even if they go only for a strike by air and sea) and on that case everyone will try to benefit from that situation. Russia will love it. They are too harsh.
Syria's port is very important for Russia, I do not think they will let it go from their hand so easy.

Of course I do not see Syria as the the chance to start a WW3. No way.
If Iran would be on the place of Syria now, I may doubt for it.
 
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Coin said:
Yeah, i also believe Russia wouldn't dare to attack USA.
But i can't be sure they would not attack any other country. If they do, they will have the morale clean and no one can judge them. (Always if US is going to attack Syria without any evidence on sight yet or with out UN/Congress authorization).

However, it depends how situation may go on.
If Syria won't stand like Libya but will respond with force, it will eventually push US to get further involved (even if they go only for a strike by air and sea) and on that case everyone will try to benefit from that situation. Russia will love it. They are too harsh.
Syria's port is very important for Russia, I do not think they will let it go from their hand so easy.

Of course I do not see Syria as the the chance to start a WW3. No way.
If Iran would be on the place of Syria now, I may doubt for it.
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They are not going to attack anyone. To suggest otherwise is in all seriousness a ludicrous proposition. How Assad will react is debatable, but Russian military involvement is not a factor in consideration.
 
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