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Jimmy Carter calls for Syria peace summit[W:33]

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poweRob said:
Gotcha... you have no opinion on the topic of what to do in Syria other than how you hate Obama and hate Carter.
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Nice try poweRob. Your post above is what happens when someone has no defense; attempt a smoke screen by blaming the messenger.

What happened to Obama, The One We have Been Waiting For? Mr. Hope & Change? The man who himself claimed to have such great judgment? The man lost without a teleprompter? The man who scores goals on himself and screws America with nonsense like a "Red Line" when he has no deep conviction of carrying out said threats. A man who thinks his words alone carry weight.

Obama's words are hollow, and all the leaders of the world, our allies and enemies know it. That, combined with his domestic failures makes him an even worse president than Carter.

The One We Have Been Waiting For... Hope & Change... Post-Partisan... ROTFLOL... his presidency alone is the stuff that could resurrect Saturday Night Live... if they'd only use it.
 
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Captain America said:
It just doesn't add up. Obama knows American's aren't in to bombing Syria. He's all bad-ass, then pragmatic, then plays bad cop and allows the congress to play good cop. I think it's one big basketball strategy. I don't believe anything the media is selling. We are all being played.

I am interested to see how it plays out.
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If you do not believe what the media is selling then why are you interested to see (from the media) how this is played out? Just a small critique here, no biggie.

What I wanted to tell you though is that Obama may have not expected a counteroffensive media campaign from Putin. Usually dictators in Dardania, Egypt, Libya, were "toast" because they followed a similar pattern. Send in intel to find data, build on media by emphasizing the dictators wrong doings, gain the trust of the people in NATO countries and the dictators', and conduct military strikes.

But analyzing the moves over and over Putin managed to refute many of media allegations back to Obama. Assad kills schoolchildren for making anti government grafiti as well as their parents for going to the graves of their loved ones, and the revels protest (USA), well those rebels are not civil and eat hearts and livers (Putin). Assad gasses his own unarmed civilians and UN inspectors are sent (USA), well it is not known who gassed whom and inspectors are out (Putin).

He refutes the build up before it gets big enough for him to stop it at the other end. Russia could not stop a UN resolution for Bosnia, Dardania when it got that big. They learned from their mistakes and now are more pro-actively refuting media strikes before they grow.

It is down to media wars. Who influences whom to think who is right. Being critical though may reveal these games done on top of people who are really killed there, but may not help with decisiveness needed to act (for there is always new refuted developments put into the analysis). I think Obama realized that and has put the case to Congress.

The risk being it takes more time for a decision there. Time that Putin could use to fortify his policies with Assad both with media and militarily.
 
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Snappo said:
Obama surely is hard core. And not just him. All of his folks like Senator Clinton, Kerry, etc. He surrounds himself with people that don't take sh**t off terrorists. OBL - toast. Gadaffi - toast. Perhaps soon: Assad - toast? Is it possible that Obama knows that Iran or Syria will attack Israel, thereby giving him the tools needed to get Western agreement and allowing a large effort against Assad by North America and Western Europe? Are large military contractors lobbying DNC and GOP to get another war going for major profit?
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According to constitutional scholars, Obama's action in Libya was impeachable. According to both Russia and China it was an abuse of the UN resolution, but then your a soldier, I understand you love your occupation.
 
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Montecresto said:
According to constitutional scholars, Obama's action in Libya was impeachable. According to both Russia and China it was an abuse of the UN resolution, but then your a soldier, I understand you love your occupation.
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I am only a reservist nowadays, and my primary occupation is in SAP consulting. I am proud of my time spent in USAF, CT-ANG, and even USAF CAP. I am also proud of my father's effort in USMC and my son's efforts in USMC. My family has served our country honorably and I would call it a high point of my life. I believe Obama is an American hero, will be remembered by history kindly, and that he has NEVER done anything Unconstitutional, nor has he ever committed any high crimes or misdemeanors. I think people just like to whine, and I find it's almost exclusively people who never served their country. So if some scholars are whining, it means less than nothing to me. They can whine after they spend time in Italy, Germany, and Saudi Arabia like I had to, or Korea and Vietnam like my dad had to, or Afghanistan and Iraq like my son has to now. Then they have skin in the game and I care what they think.
 
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zimmer said:
Nice try poweRob. Your post above is what happens when someone has no defense; attempt a smoke screen by blaming the messenger.

What happened to Obama, The One We have Been Waiting For? Mr. Hope & Change? The man who himself claimed to have such great judgment? The man lost without a teleprompter? The man who scores goals on himself and screws America with nonsense like a "Red Line" when he has no deep conviction of carrying out said threats. A man who thinks his words alone carry weight.

Obama's words are hollow, and all the leaders of the world, our allies and enemies know it. That, combined with his domestic failures makes him an even worse president than Carter.

The One We Have Been Waiting For... Hope & Change... Post-Partisan... ROTFLOL... his presidency alone is the stuff that could resurrect Saturday Night Live... if they'd only use it.
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No defense? You haven't even bothered to find out where I stand on this topic. I happen to be with carter on this and opposed to Obamas approach. They are both offering completely opposite positions yet what is amazing is watching you throwing stones at both of them. You are 100% illogical because your POV is driven by emotion rather than logic.

Its blatantly obvious that you dropped this topic here with the names in place then molded your disdain for the names in place not even knowing that it made you have yourself positioned not only sitting on the fence but taking both sides of the topic at the same time.

Bottom line is, you've been here for some time now and I've yet to see you stand FOR anything. We all know you hate, who you hate and that you hate them a lot. One day maybe we can all see what you actually like.
 
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Snappo said:
I am only a reservist nowadays, and my primary occupation is in SAP consulting. I am proud of my time spent in USAF, CT-ANG, and even USAF CAP. I am also proud of my father's effort in USMC and my son's efforts in USMC. My family has served our country honorably and I would call it a high point of my life. I believe Obama is an American hero, will be remembered by history kindly, and that he has NEVER done anything Unconstitutional, nor has he ever committed any high crimes or misdemeanors. I think people just like to whine, and I find it's almost exclusively people who never served their country. So if some scholars are whining, it means less than nothing to me. They can whine after they spend time in Italy, Germany, and Saudi Arabia like I had to, or Korea and Vietnam like my dad had to, or Afghanistan and Iraq like my son has to now. Then they have skin in the game and I care what they think.
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How is it no surprise to me that you find the constitutional opinion of a scholar worth "less than nothing"
 
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zimmer said:
Nice try poweRob. Your post above is what happens when someone has no defense; attempt a smoke screen by blaming the messenger.

What happened to Obama, The One We have Been Waiting For? Mr. Hope & Change? The man who himself claimed to have such great judgment? The man lost without a teleprompter? The man who scores goals on himself and screws America with nonsense like a "Red Line" when he has no deep conviction of carrying out said threats. A man who thinks his words alone carry weight.

Obama's words are hollow, and all the leaders of the world, our allies and enemies know it. That, combined with his domestic failures makes him an even worse president than Carter.

The One We Have Been Waiting For... Hope & Change... Post-Partisan... ROTFLOL... his presidency alone is the stuff that could resurrect Saturday Night Live... if they'd only use it.
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You're right that most of his words are hollow.

But of the very few that have substance, they are treasonous.
 
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MMC said:
Mornin' Monte. :2wave: Well nor has the rebels and not even from the start. It was only one thing, Assad must go and the country must be given to the Sunni Muslims.
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Why doesn't Carter just go away...Doesn't he know he is not president any longer?
 
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poweRob said:
No defense? You haven't even bothered to find out where I stand on this topic. I happen to be with carter on this and opposed to Obamas approach. They are both offering completely opposite positions yet what is amazing is watching you throwing stones at both of them. You are 100% illogical because your POV is driven by emotion rather than logic.

Its blatantly obvious that you dropped this topic here with the names in place then molded your disdain for the names in place not even knowing that it made you have yourself positioned not only sitting on the fence but taking both sides of the topic at the same time.

Bottom line is, you've been here for some time now and I've yet to see you stand FOR anything. We all know you hate, who you hate and that you hate them a lot. One day maybe we can all see what you actually like.
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Carter's plan for "Peace Talks" is ridiculous. Does he really believe that a man who gasses his own people would talk peace? Or that the factions fighting Assad would suddenly stop now? It is foolish idea and poorly thought out.
 
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Of course it is. He is a former Dem POTUS.
 
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sawdust said:
Carter was a better carpenter than he was a President and many of the houses he built have mold issues. He insured the installation of an Islamic theocracy in Iran. His foreign policy was a shambles. He mismanaged the economy. His errors in the Middle East created our first gas shortage. At the end of his presidency the the nightly news broadcast the misery index which set a record for all presidents of over 20 in June of 1980. As an ex president, he can't keep his big yap shut, as is the tradition of all presidents when it comes to criticizing current administrations. In addition, suggesting the UN be involved in anything requiring military action is like believing Santa is real and windmills need chasing. The UN is run by despots and it's only useful function is the distribution of wheat. Now we have suggestions from the two worst presidents in our history. One wants to unilaterally bomb Syria and the other wants to turn the problem to the UN, which watched as hundreds of thousands were slaughtered in Rwanda. We have the blind leading the blind at this point in our history.
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Do some research before engaging the 'yapper'. There was an even more significant gas shortage in 1973 during the Nixon administration. The shortage gave us the 50 mile per hour national speed limit, which was later raised to 55.

1973 oil crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BTW... neither Carter nor Obama is on any of the credible lists of 10 worst presidents.... they are both pretty much thought of as average...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States
 
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upsideguy said:
Do some research before engaging the 'yapper'. There was an even more significant gas shortage in 1973 during the Nixon administration. The shortage gave us the 50 mile per hour national speed limit, which was later raised to 55.

1973 oil crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BTW... neither Carter nor Obama is on any of the credible lists of 10 worst presidents.... they are both pretty much thought of as average...

Historical rankings of Presidents of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Don't need Wiki. I was driving during Nixon. My personal experience was that the gas shortage during Carter was much much worse. His presidency was coupled with double digit interest rates and the bungled hostage crisis rescue attempt. I remember Carter losing the election and feeling a huge sense of relief. In my lifetime, my personal list has Obama at the bottom and Carter just on top.

I'll see if I can get a password to alter the Wiki post. Check on it tomorrow for some more of your research.
 
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sawdust said:
I'll see if I can get a password to alter the Wiki post. Check on it tomorrow for some more of your research.
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So you're going to vandalize wikipedia until it supports your political beliefs? WTF? Just go to conservapedia if you need to validate your hatred that much.
 
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reinoe said:
So you're going to vandalize wikipedia until it supports your political beliefs? WTF? Just go to conservapedia if you need to validate your hatred that much.
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Joke son. Grow a sense of humor.
 
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sawdust said:
Don't need Wiki. I was driving during Nixon. My personal experience was that the gas shortage during Carter was much much worse. His presidency was coupled with double digit interest rates and the bungled hostage crisis rescue attempt. I remember Carter losing the election and feeling a huge sense of relief. In my lifetime, my personal list has Obama at the bottom and Carter just on top.

I'll see if I can get a password to alter the Wiki post. Check on it tomorrow for some more of your research.
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I thought the Pentagon bungled the rescue? Or was Carter in his flight suit out there leading the mission. I was in the army during the Carter administration. The military and the MIC wasn't too keen on the peacenik, he didn't throw them many bones, there were large complaints that parts and equipment was thin. But my buddies that stayed on told me Ronnie "fixed" all that.
 
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zimmer said:
I have the feeling you thought Bush43 wasn't honest or dependable. If so...

What would you have done after 911? Saddam had 12-years of waving at America with his middle finger, kicked out inspectors, was making money selling oil illegally, had a fine tuned hatred for America, and would have rebuilt his weapons program.

With all the kooks watching, licking their chops wondering if Bush43 was as lame as Felonious Bill Clinton, what would you have done when evidence back to the Clinton years indicated he still had WMD?

Bush43 was an honest guy; if anything it was that perception that helped get himself elected... especially after the scandal-a-month Felonious Bill & Hillary Clinton administration.

Here's to hoping we get someone who is honest... you can't expect it from the left because they never tell us the truth about their schemes. Instead we have to pass trillion dollar bills to learn what's inside. They're The Cracker Jack Party... SURPRISE! I'm not post-partisan! SURPRISE! I'm not a uniter! SURPRISE! There were no shovel ready jobs, but except to shovel money to our supporters! SURPRISE... suckers.
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You're right. It appears by his actions that Obama is a closet Republican.
 
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Montecresto said:
How is it no surprise to me that you find the constitutional opinion of a scholar worth "less than nothing"
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Well, Montecresto, Obama is also a "constitutional scholar". Beware selective bias.
 
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Montecresto said:
I thought the Pentagon bungled the rescue? Or was Carter in his flight suit out there leading the mission. I was in the army during the Carter administration. The military and the MIC wasn't too keen on the peacenik, he didn't throw them many bones, there were large complaints that parts and equipment was thin. But my buddies that stayed on told me Ronnie "fixed" all that.
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The Pentagon didn't bungle the rescue so much as we didnt' have the proper Joint Doctrine to support that kind of integrated effort. Then we had an aircraft collision in the desert. If you read Charlie Beckwith's book, he was actually very impressed with how Carter handled it.
 
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cpwill said:
The Pentagon didn't bungle the rescue so much as we didnt' have the proper Joint Doctrine to support that kind of integrated effort. Then we had an aircraft collision in the desert. If you read Charlie Beckwith's book, he was actually very impressed with how Carter handled it.
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Yeah, that's what I thought. Thanks
 
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cpwill said:
Well, Montecresto, Obama is also a "constitutional scholar". Beware selective bias.
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That's what we've heard.
 
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Montecresto said:
I thought the Pentagon bungled the rescue? Or was Carter in his flight suit out there leading the mission. I was in the army during the Carter administration. The military and the MIC wasn't too keen on the peacenik, he didn't throw them many bones, there were large complaints that parts and equipment was thin. But my buddies that stayed on told me Ronnie "fixed" all that.
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Sorry. I thought the Commander in Chief had something to do with the military.
 
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sawdust said:
Sorry. I thought the Commander in Chief had something to do with the military.
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Only when they're succesful.
 
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I would disagree. Diplomatic measures in foreign policy have immeasurable benefits, even if it doesn't seem readily apparent to those back home.
 
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sawdust said:
Sorry. I thought the Commander in Chief had something to do with the military.
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Right, gives them a green light!
 
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