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McJobs and the Minimum Wage[W:123,226]

Wrong. Listen again. He said the young people were black and he wanted to give a lower wage to blacks so they would have a better shot at jobs.

Another nonsense post from the nonsense factory. What you describe was not at all what RWR meant, and everyone knew it at the time. A "sub-minimum" wage to promote employment of young people and the inner city unemployed is an idea advanced many times over the years by both left and right. Your framing of the issue is dishonest.:peace
 
the minimum wage is unconstitutional, government has no authority to dictate to a person or business what they must pay....

Congress, SCOTUS, and POTUS all disagree with you. But if you know more than Congress and the Supreme Court; perhaps you can tell us why you know more than they do.
 
Another nonsense post from the nonsense factory.

Another childish personal attack? You going to say something about my mother next? Or how your daddy can beat up my daddy? If nothing else, you are predictable.
 
Another childish personal attack? You going to say something about my mother next? Or how your daddy can beat up my daddy? If nothing else, you are predictable.

I note that you duck and dodge to avoid the substantive post.
 
Congress, SCOTUS, and POTUS all disagree with you. But if you know more than Congress and the Supreme Court; perhaps you can tell us why you know more than they do.

that maybe, but would you care to show me, where the power is in the constitution that gives government the power to set wages.
 
Wrong. Listen again. He said the young people were black and he wanted to give a lower wage to blacks so they would have a better shot at jobs.

What you describe was not at all what RWR meant, and everyone knew it at the time. A "sub-minimum" wage to promote employment of young people and the inner city unemployed is an idea advanced many times over the years by both left and right. Your framing of the issue is dishonest.:peace
 
Congress, SCOTUS, and POTUS all disagree with you. But if you know more than Congress and the Supreme Court; perhaps you can tell us why you know more than they do.

In what way do you see the minimum wage helping those trying to initially enter the workforce as it seems to have frozen most out of their first jobs...
 
Another childish personal attack? You going to say something about my mother next? Or how your daddy can beat up my daddy? If nothing else, you are predictable.

CaseWeb: 720.0 Urban League and the Youth Subminimum Wage

CaseWeb: 720.0 Urban League and the Youth Subminimum Wage

Abstract:
In the spring of 1984, despite the economy's spectacular recovery from a severe recession, teenage unemployment remained a major problem: 19.4 percent of all teenagers and 44.8 percent of black youth, were jobless. At the urging of the Reagan administration, Congress once again began to consider a proposal to lower the minimum wage for teenagers, citing economists' arguments that the minimum wage hurt those whose skills were the most marginal. Previous proposals for a "youth subminimum wage" had failed in the face of opposition from labor and civil rights groups, but in 1984, the African-American community had begun to splinter over the subminimum wage, and as the issue gained visibility, the National Urban League felt pressed to take a stand.The case traces the history of the political and academic debate over the minimum wage and the proposed subminimum wage. It provides a vehicle for examining two alternative models of labor markets-one competitive, the other monopsonistic-and for analyzing their relative ability to explain empirical data concerning the effects of the minimum wage. The case also serves to highlight the role of labor unions. :peace
 
Wrong. Listen again. He said the young people were black and he wanted to give a lower wage to blacks so they would have a better shot at jobs.

I watched the clip, that's not what he said at all. I'm not taking sides here, just saying that you didn't hear it correctly.
 
In what way do you see the minimum wage helping those trying to initially enter the workforce as it seems to have frozen most out of their first jobs...

I am not debating the efficacy of individual laws Congress creates. I am saying that Congress, the Supreme Court, and the sitting POTUS at the time ALL agreed that setting minimum wages were Constitutional. Another poster said there were NOT constitutional. Whether or not a law has it's desired effect is not what makes a law constitutional or not. That should be a fairly simple concept, no?
 
I am not debating the efficacy of individual laws Congress creates. I am saying that Congress, the Supreme Court, and the sitting POTUS at the time ALL agreed that setting minimum wages were Constitutional. Another poster said there were NOT constitutional. Whether or not a law has it's desired effect is not what makes a law constitutional or not. That should be a fairly simple concept, no?

IOW, you prefer not to comment on the efficacy... Got it...
 
I watched the clip, that's not what he said at all. I'm not taking sides here, just saying that you didn't hear it correctly.

I absolutely heard it correctly. Young blacks could not find jobs. Whatever jobs were going to young kids was going to WHITE young kids. His idea was to make a lower mimimum wage to solve the problem of 50% of the black kids in America not being able to find jobs. And the joke back in 79 when he said that (I was 18 at the time) was that Reagan was bringing back slavery. Now if you were around back then and remembered the speech and the subsequent jokes a different way; then please by all means share what your thoughts were from that time. Me, I was at Hill Air Force Base working for POTUS Bozo the Clown.
 
IOW, you prefer not to comment on the efficacy... Got it...

What malfunction in your brain is causing you not to understand that the law WAS constitutional? If you want to show somehow that it was not constitutional and that Congress, the Supreme Court, and the POTUS were wrong - then add some value to this conversation. Either respond to the quote "the minimum wage is unconstitutional, government has no authority to dictate to a person or business what they must pay...." or go troll someplace else.
 
What malfunction in your brain is causing you not to understand that the law WAS constitutional? If you want to show somehow that it was not constitutional and that Congress, the Supreme Court, and the POTUS were wrong - then add some value to this conversation. Otherwise, go troll someplace else.

Let's simplify the question for you, since it appears to be necessary. Would you support the elimination of the minimum wage? Why or why not?
 
Let's simplify the question for you, since it appears to be necessary. Would you support the elimination of the minimum wage? Why or why not?


Respond to "the minimum wage is unconstitutional, government has no authority to dictate to a person or business what they must pay...." or go away.
 
Respond to "the minimum wage is unconstitutional, government has no authority to dictate to a person or business what they must pay...." or go away.

It doesn't matter whether it's Constitutional or not. I'm asking for your viewpoint regarding the subject, and it's plain you prefer not to express it...
 
I absolutely heard it correctly. Young blacks could not find jobs. Whatever jobs were going to young kids was going to WHITE young kids. His idea was to make a lower mimimum wage to solve the problem of 50% of the black kids in America not being able to find jobs. And the joke back in 79 when he said that (I was 18 at the time) was that Reagan was bringing back slavery. Now if you were around back then and remembered the speech and the subsequent jokes a different way; then please by all means share what your thoughts were from that time. Me, I was at Hill Air Force Base working for POTUS Bozo the Clown.

Then you and those you joked with were among America's dimmest bulbs. No one viewed it that way at the time. And btw, wasn't your clip from the Carter-Reagan debate? That would have been 1980, not 1979.

CaseWeb: 720.0 Urban League and the Youth Subminimum Wage

CaseWeb: 720.0 Urban League and the Youth Subminimum Wage

Abstract:
In the spring of 1984, despite the economy's spectacular recovery from a severe recession, teenage unemployment remained a major problem: 19.4 percent of all teenagers and 44.8 percent of black youth, were jobless. At the urging of the Reagan administration, Congress once again began to consider a proposal to lower the minimum wage for teenagers, citing economists' arguments that the minimum wage hurt those whose skills were the most marginal. Previous proposals for a "youth subminimum wage" had failed in the face of opposition from labor and civil rights groups, but in 1984, the African-American community had begun to splinter over the subminimum wage, and as the issue gained visibility, the National Urban League felt pressed to take a stand.The case traces the history of the political and academic debate over the minimum wage and the proposed subminimum wage. It provides a vehicle for examining two alternative models of labor markets-one competitive, the other monopsonistic-and for analyzing their relative ability to explain empirical data concerning the effects of the minimum wage. The case also serves to highlight the role of labor unions.
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It doesn't matter whether it's Constitutional or not. I'm asking for your viewpoint regarding the subject, and it's plain you prefer not to express it...

It does matter if it is constitutional, since the earlier poster said it was NOT constitutional. If you spent less time trolling and more time reading the thread, you would have seen my MANY posts where I said that a minimum wage law lowers the need for entitlement programs, and that I was for the reduction of entitlements.
 
More personal attacks? Classy.

CaseWeb: 720.0 Urban League and the Youth Subminimum Wage


Abstract:
In the spring of 1984, despite the economy's spectacular recovery from a severe recession, teenage unemployment remained a major problem: 19.4 percent of all teenagers and 44.8 percent of black youth, were jobless. At the urging of the Reagan administration, Congress once again began to consider a proposal to lower the minimum wage for teenagers, citing economists' arguments that the minimum wage hurt those whose skills were the most marginal. Previous proposals for a "youth subminimum wage" had failed in the face of opposition from labor and civil rights groups, but in 1984, the African-American community had begun to splinter over the subminimum wage, and as the issue gained visibility, the National Urban League felt pressed to take a stand.The case traces the history of the political and academic debate over the minimum wage and the proposed subminimum wage. It provides a vehicle for examining two alternative models of labor markets-one competitive, the other monopsonistic-and for analyzing their relative ability to explain empirical data concerning the effects of the minimum wage. The case also serves to highlight the role of labor unions. :peace
 
You're the one talking about imaginary jokes after an imaginary "79" remark.

All you do is throw out personal attacks. Once you do that, all I do is quote them, report them, and ignore the rest of what you say. When you learn not to make personal attacks, perhaps you will get more responses from people. Until that time, I will continue to identify every one of your personal attacks and report them to the moderators.
 
It does matter if it is constitutional, since the earlier poster said it was NOT constitutional. If you spent less time trolling and more time reading the thread, you would have seen my MANY posts where I said that a minimum wage law lowers the need for entitlement programs, and that I was for the reduction of entitlements.

article 1 section 8...The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

nothing in these 18 powers for setting wages.
 
It does matter if it is constitutional, since the earlier poster said it was NOT constitutional. If you spent less time trolling and more time reading the thread, you would have seen my MANY posts where I said that a minimum wage law lowers the need for entitlement programs, and that I was for the reduction of entitlements.

I'm addressing your posts, not those of others, and no, I don't care to review 400 posts to find yours. The question was as simple as I could make it, yet you would rather accuse one of trolling than directly addressing it, and I'm still waiting for you to do so. Would you like for me to post the question once again?
 
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