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Hasan has been sentenced to Death [W:198,239]

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Grant said:
Maybe you should read your original post and then look at my response.
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I did, and what you said doesn't negate my point. There are new terrorists born every day. There is no way in hell we would ever be able to rid the world of them entirely.
 
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ChrisL said:
I did, and what you said doesn't negate my point. There are new terrorists born every day. There is no way in hell we would ever be able to rid the world of them entirely.
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you cannot win a war on something not defined by country or border or culture.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
you cannot win a war on something not defined by country or border or culture.
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I agree. We have terrorists scattered throughout the world.
 
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ChrisL said:
I did, and what you said doesn't negate my point. There are new terrorists born every day. There is no way in hell we would ever be able to rid the world of them entirely.
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How many terrorist are born every day compared to those who would fight against them to remain free?

What are you suggesting with your claim that there are new terrorist born every day and that we cannot rid the world of them entirely? Is it just an observation?

The fact is that throughout the history of mankind there has always been one group seeking dominance over the other. The Nazis tried it, the Communists, the Fascists and now the Islamists. If the Islamists are defeated there will be someone to take their place.
 
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Grant said:
How many terrorist are born every day compared to those who would fight against them to remain free?

What are you suggesting with your claim that there are new terrorist born every day and that we cannot rid the world of them entirely? Is it just an observation?

The fact is that throughout the history of mankind there has always been one group seeking dominance over the other. The Nazis tried it, the Communists, the Fascists and now the Islamists. If the Islamists are defeated there will be someone to take their place.
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no one is born a terrorist.

people can only be motivated into committing acts of terror.
 
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Grant said:
Why not?
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have you ever tried catching smoke with a net? terrorism is not something you can pin down.

it operates regardless of borders, regardless of nationality, and regardless of culture.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
have you ever tried catching smoke with a net? terrorism is not something you can pin down.

it operates regardless of borders, regardless of nationality, and regardless of culture.
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But, right now, not regardless of religion.
 
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Grant said:
But, right now, not regardless of religion.
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Islam is the worlds second largest religion after Christianity. are you implying that every practitioner of Islam is a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer?
 
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Grant said:
Nor is the lack of religion. It's after they're incarcerated that most of the prisoners 'find God'.
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No, actually, that's not really the case. We know from prison intake statistics that more criminals claim to be religious than their percentage in the outside world, that means the religious commit crimes at a rate greater than their statistical presence in non-criminal society. Atheists, on the other hand, are much less represented among the prison population than their outside numbers. Keep in mind that these are entry statistics, these are the beliefs claimed by convicted criminals before they've even stepped foot in prison.
 
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ecofarm said:
Sure, like a person that blames inanimate objects, such as religion (or guns), for harm in the world. It's crazy, no doubt.
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Are you totally unaware that our beliefs inform our actions? Apparently so.
 
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ecofarm said:
It provides justification for the rationalization of murder.



Let's not play dumb. When discussing deterrence, we are addressing murder in society (not recidivism). Of course, a life sentence cannot commit additional crimes in society.
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But they can commit crimes in prison. And have exactly nothing left to lose in doing so. Prison is just another way of life and different society. For some people, it is an improvement on their life and not a punishment at all, but a reward.
 
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ecofarm said:
Htf can you say "no". These are FACTS:

(1) The death penalty does not deter crime, overwhelming statistical evidence establishes this beyond any question.
(2) The death penalty provides justification for the rationalization of murder, thereby encouraging murder.

Now that your meek little "no" has been smashed like a bug, let's move on to the BS spewed after... The death penalty costs MORE than a life sentence. So spare us the "removes the burden from society".


Killing is too heavy a weight for the scales of justice.
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Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Gen 9:6
 
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Grant said:
Maybe the thing to do is create greater martyrdom until the desire to be a martyr begins to fade. They're probably running low on virgins already.
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Despite the slogans, I believe he is more a martyr alive in prison. Dead people generally are forgotten quickly, especially when they were nobody to begin with.
 
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ChrisL said:
Some people would call THAT cruel and unusual punishment even though construction workers do this kind of stuff every day. God forbid we make them work for their meals. That's just so mean. :roll:
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How do you MAKE someone with a life sentence without parole do anything? Beat him? Starve him?

It is a common theme that the same people who sob over the death penalty even for someone known for absolute certain did what he did - then turn around and advocate torturous confinement as their alternative.

He cannot be forced to work. Solitary confinement is one of the worst forms of torture, and under the Constitution he can not be beaten or starved. While he can be rewarded for working, he cannot be punished for not working. And all along the way, year after year, decade after decades, good people are having to go to work to pay for him, his housing, endless legal fees of his lawyers, his food, his medical care - everything - as he gets to be in prison a martyr-hero to himself and his "God."

It'd make more sense - and be cheaper - to just give him $500,000, a ticket out of the country and have a banishment order. As long as he is in prison, he is still among us, because some of us will be in prison with him, as will guards and others. And, like Hitler, he can write his manifesto plus preach his message to others there.
 
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Texmex said:
Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Gen 9:6
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Who cares what an idiotic book of bronze age mythology says? This is a nation with a secular government, we don't pay attention to religious stupidity.
 
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joko104 said:
But they can commit crimes in prison.
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Against lawful society? Not really.


Texmex said:
Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Gen 9:6
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Exodus 20:13 KJV - Thou shalt not kill. - Bible Gateway


Cephus said:
Are you totally unaware that our beliefs inform our actions? Apparently so.
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Yes, I have no idea what causes us to do anything. I'm a 42 year old, ex-military, world traveled, tertiary educated, still in total compliance.

You can't just throw complete BS at a counter that destroyed the hate of an object. You want to argue that sometimes religion 'causes' bad things? That's as stupid as claiming that it does any good. Religion is inanimate, holding no power and merely a creation. Worshiping religion, as a pro or antagonist, is bordering on mindless.

The suppression of metaphysical expression is low class and authoritarian.
 
If he wants to die, hang him. If he wants to live, he can appeal the sentence. Bottom line though - nobody will remember this guy a week after he is gone. I don't even remember the last time I heard / overheard a conversation about Bin Laden. Bad guys die and the earth keeps revolving around the sun. I don't think we should ever keep a bad guy alive because we are afraid of muslim repercussions. And from a financial perspective, I am for the death penalty for murder or rape. I am more of a Deist than anything else so I don't feel any religious obligation to keep a murderer or rapist alive to save my own soul.
 
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Texmex said:
Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man. Gen 9:6
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That stuff was written by goat herders 3,500 years ago. I am pretty sure those dead Hebrew goat herders don't care what we do to bad guys 3,500 years later. They only wrote that stuff to define morality for each other back when they were alive.
 
Snappo said:
And from a financial perspective, I am for the death penalty for murder or rape.
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Utopian BS.

I am more of a Deist than anything else so I don't feel any religious obligation to keep a murderer or rapist alive to save my own soul.
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A deity having lost interest is a reason for ignoring His morals? :roll:
 
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Given your comment of "lawful society," then I conclude you fully support brutality in prison.

You ignore, completely, the substance of my message. Prison is just another society to live in. He is not silenced nor defeated.
 
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Cephus said:
Who cares what an idiotic book of bronze age mythology says?
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About a billion people, including the majority of Americans.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Islam is the worlds second largest religion after Christianity. are you implying that every practitioner of Islam is a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer?
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I don't 'imply' anything. Please just read the post and accept it way it is.
 
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Cephus said:
No, actually, that's not really the case. We know from prison intake statistics that more criminals claim to be religious than their percentage in the outside world, that means the religious commit crimes at a rate greater than their statistical presence in non-criminal society. Atheists, on the other hand, are much less represented among the prison population than their outside numbers. Keep in mind that these are entry statistics, these are the beliefs claimed by convicted criminals before they've even stepped foot in prison.
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Interesting. I'd like to see that study.
 
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