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Hasan has been sentenced to Death [W:198,239]

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Texmex said:
"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good." Psalm 14:1
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You don't seem to be getting the point. When someone says that it's ridiculous to believe in a book, continually quoting the book isn't going to be taken seriously.
 
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Cephus said:
You don't seem to be getting the point. When someone says that it's ridiculous to believe in a book, continually quoting the book isn't going to be taken seriously.
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I understand that you don't believe it; I think it's sad, but it's your prerogative. Others however read this besides you and me.
 
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Texmex said:
I understand that you don't believe it; I think it's sad, but it's your prerogative. Others however read this besides you and me.
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Yup and lots of people are realizing what an absurd waste of time it is. That's why 100,000 people walked away from the Baptist church last year alone. It's why the Catholics are hemorrhaging members left and right worldwide. It's why no belief is the fastest growing demographic. The Bible may be one of the most purchased books around but it's also one of the least read and certainly, the least understood.

But sure, keep believing in primitive bronze-age nonsense. It's your prerogative, after all.
 
Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

Mathematician said:
Who are are the idiots that decided you can't waive your right to an appeal? In situations like this, it should take two seconds to shoot him. Time, money and effort are clearly going to go to absolute waste on this guy.
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Where this is a simple case, we still make many mistakes in convictions as our recent ability to use DNA evidence shows. Though we may wish to deny a person like this an appeal because it is obvious, those appeals are there for the defense of the innocent, and many of the protections we have that are important in america are there to make it harder on the government for a reason. When you wonder what that reason is you need look no further than NSA spying where we made it easy for the sake of simplicity and sacrificed our liberties and now we face the consequences of that action. I am perfectly fine with spending a little extra money in this area to make sure people are protected from the government. If we are worried about BS legal costs let us get rid of the drug war first.
 
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tererun said:
Where this is a simple case, we still make many mistakes in convictions as our recent ability to use DNA evidence shows. Though we may wish to deny a person like this an appeal because it is obvious, those appeals are there for the defense of the innocent, and many of the protections we have that are important in america are there to make it harder on the government for a reason. When you wonder what that reason is you need look no further than NSA spying where we made it easy for the sake of simplicity and sacrificed our liberties and now we face the consequences of that action. I am perfectly fine with spending a little extra money in this area to make sure people are protected from the government. If we are worried about BS legal costs let us get rid of the drug war first.
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Read what I said more carefully. I said you waive your right to an appeal, because Hassan doesn't want an appeal. The automatic appeal even when the convict does not want it is idiotic.
 
Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

Mathematician said:
Read what I said more carefully. I said you waive your right to an appeal, because Hassan doesn't want an appeal. The automatic appeal even when the convict does not want it is idiotic.
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Then let him kill himself, we do not have to do it for him. If we are going to do it then i would be better with us being sure we are getting the right person and doing the right thing. I am cool with retaining the few rights we still have.
 
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tererun said:
Then let him kill himself, we do not have to do it for him. If we are going to do it then i would be better with us being sure we are getting the right person and doing the right thing. I am cool with retaining the few rights we still have.
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Having the right to an appeal does not mean you need to be force fed one. This kind of BS only contributes to our national debt.
 
Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

Cephus said:
Yup and lots of people are realizing what an absurd waste of time it is. That's why 100,000 people walked away from the Baptist church last year alone. It's why the Catholics are hemorrhaging members left and right worldwide. It's why no belief is the fastest growing demographic. The Bible may be one of the most purchased books around but it's also one of the least read and certainly, the least understood.

But sure, keep believing in primitive bronze-age nonsense. It's your prerogative, after all.
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I see you aren't a believer, that's your choice. Let me ask you thought, why does it upset you so much that some of us do believe?
 
Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

ecofarm said:
The death penalty provides justification for the rationalization of murder.
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So does the doctrine of self defense. And abortion. And the rule that you are generally not required to risk your life to save someone else.

I personally don't think there is anything immoral or irrational about concluding that a person who murders many others in cold blood, who admits it, and who is proven guilty by incontrovertible evidence, forfeits his right to life.
 
Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

Cephus said:
Yup and lots of people are realizing what an absurd waste of time it is.
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The Bible is not a waste of time. I've had many important lessons illustrated. It helps me to improve on the things that I often falter regarding. And perhaps most importantly, it serves as an excellent communication tool with others. (I'm atheist)

When the Bible says that a fool says there is no God, what does this mean? Well, one meaning is that all of us have metaphysical ideas. You know, that there could be something beyond our perception and control. When someone, despite this experience, refuses to consider or discuss the metaphysical, they are a fool. They are ignoring, despite knowledge and experience, to learn and interact with others in such a way. Refusing to acknowledge an innate aspect of human nature is to be intentionally blind. Now, you don't need to believe in the same god, but let's not play the fool and pretend that there's nothing beyond our perception and control.
 
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Krhazy said:
So does the doctrine of self defense.
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False

And abortion.
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True

And the rule that you are generally not required to risk your life to save someone else.
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False

Eating meat?

True

I personally don't think there is anything immoral or irrational about concluding that a person who murders many others in cold blood, who admits it, and who is proven guilty by incontrovertible evidence, forfeits his right to life.
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Killing helpless, harmless people is wrong. It's not self defense. They're captives.

If the government can kill captives for their reasons, then so can I - that's the rationalization you're providing; doing so is immoral and irrational.
 
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ecofarm said:
False
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Why is self defense not a justification for murder? Literally, in some states, it is characterized as exactly that.

If the government can kill captives for their reasons, then so can I - that's the rationalization you're providing; doing so is immoral and irrational.
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No it's not. The government cannot kill captives "for their reasons." They can impose the dealth penalty according to a law passed through the political process, including the checks and balances, examination and reflection, that that system provides. And then only when the person has been found guilty through the criminal process by a jury trial, presentation of evidence, with the right to an attorney, and so on and so forth.

It is in no way the same as you killing a captive "for [your own personal] reasons," which would illegal, and far more likely to also be immoral.
 
Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

Krhazy said:
Why is self defense not a justification for murder? Literally, in some states, it is characterized as exactly that.
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Self defense is not murder. Your lack of understanding (or partisan BS) is irrelevant.

No it's not. The government cannot kill captives "for their reasons."
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They (we) can and do.

It is in no way the same as you killing a captive "for [your own personal] reasons,"
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Of course it is.
 
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ecofarm said:
Self defense is not murder. Your lack of understanding (or partisan BS) is irrelevant.
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What is your definition of murder?

They (we) can and do.
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Examples?

Of course it is.
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How so?

In general, do you wish to debate, or just lazily respond "you're wrong"?
 
Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

Krhazy said:
What is your definition of murder?
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You don't know? And you can't see how self defense is different?

Sad.

Examples?
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Any capital punishment.

How so?
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Killing a helpless captive is killing a helpless captive.

In general, do you wish to debate, or just lazily respond "you're wrong"?
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Don't be so self centered. People are not obligated to explain everything to you.
 
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ecofarm said:
You don't know? And you can't see how self defense is different?
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I see how it is different from killing someone in cold blood when they have done nothing wrong. But imposing the death penalty is not killing someone in cold blood when they have done nothing wrong.

That's why I asked you for your definition of murder, which apparently you do not want to give because it would probably harm the point you're trying to make.

Any capital punishment.
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That is not "for their reasons." As already explained, it is for one specific reason permitted by law and triggered by a verdict of the community after providing a plethora of protections for the accused.

Killing a helpless captive is killing a helpless captive.
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But killing a person who committed a crime punishable by death after a jury trial is not the same as you killing a person for your own reasons.

Don't be so self centered. People are not obligated to explain everything to you.
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Don't be so arrogant. Your points are not nearly as solid as you think they are.
 
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Keep killing those helpless captives, you and AlQ.
 
Re: Hasan was been sentenced to Death.

ecofarm said:
The Bible is not a waste of time. I've had many important lessons illustrated. It helps me to improve on the things that I often falter regarding. And perhaps most importantly, it serves as an excellent communication tool with others. (I'm atheist)

When the Bible says that a fool says there is no God, what does this mean? Well, one meaning is that all of us have metaphysical ideas. You know, that there could be something beyond our perception and control. When someone, despite this experience, refuses to consider or discuss the metaphysical, they are a fool. They are ignoring, despite knowledge and experience, to learn and interact with others in such a way. Refusing to acknowledge an innate aspect of human nature is to be intentionally blind. Now, you don't need to believe in the same god, but let's not play the fool and pretend that there's nothing beyond our perception and control.
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God is quite separate from religion. Religious leaders only attempt to discern what God wants, and do it as though they have spent some time on God's knee.

Nonetheless, there is still a good case for religion. At a time when there was little or no police, religion was the best way to instruct morals and good social behavior, with the fear of Hell substituting for the threat of 20 years in the lock-up
 
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Cephus said:
Yup and lots of people are realizing what an absurd waste of time it is.
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Reading a book that profoundly effected the whole of western civilization is hardly a waste of time. If that is the case, all books would be a waste of time.

That's why 100,000 people walked away from the Baptist church last year alone. It's why the Catholics are hemorrhaging members left and right worldwide.
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That does not mean they are walking away from God, nor that their holiday is permanent.

It's why no belief is the fastest growing demographic.
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Then people will simply substitute another belief, usually in left wing politics.

The Bible may be one of the most purchased books around but it's also one of the least read and certainly, the least understood.
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The New Testament is really not that difficult, but you wouldn't know that.

But sure, keep believing in primitive bronze-age nonsense. It's your prerogative, after all.
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Great words of wisdom have been passed down through the centuries and form the basis of our liberty and democracy today. There is more to literature, philosophy and wisdom than the fashions of the present.
 
Grant said:
Christians tend to follow the New Testament.
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Christians tend to believe both the old and new testaments were written by god and are the absolute truth. Even global floods, raising folks from the dead, walking on water, etc. 100% true and no fabrications. And while we are discussing Christ; the guy was a Jew and taught in Jewish Temples. So he would have believed the old testament was the absolute truth too.
 
Snappo said:
Christians tend to believe both the old and new testaments were written by god and are the absolute truth. Even global floods, raising folks from the dead, walking on water, etc. 100% true and no fabrications. And while we are discussing Christ; the guy was a Jew and taught in Jewish Temples. So he would have believed the old testament was the absolute truth too.
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Honestly, I don't know any Christians who think the Bible was written by God. The writings were INSPIRED by God. I believe most of the MEN who wrote passages in the Bible were credited, such as Matthew, Paul, Peter, other apostles.
 
Snappo said:
Christians tend to believe both the old and new testaments were written by god and are the absolute truth. Even global floods, raising folks from the dead, walking on water, etc. 100% true and no fabrications. And while we are discussing Christ; the guy was a Jew and taught in Jewish Temples. So he would have believed the old testament was the absolute truth too.
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How do you know what Christians believe? Do you attend Church regularly? Live your life without God and few will really care very much. But your proselytizing one way is just as tiresome as the other.
 
ChrisL said:
Honestly, I don't know any Christians who think the Bible was written by God. The writings were INSPIRED by God. I believe most of the MEN who wrote passages in the Bible were credited, such as Matthew, Paul, Peter, other apostles.
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He doesn't know.
 
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