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Syria crisis: UK to put forward UN resolution

The UN has total numbers, nothing to back your claim.



Syrian Observatory for Human Rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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It's not hard to "get around" CBS when they're reporting on 1 person's blog.

The funny thing is that you would present a blogger as CBS - that's pathetic.

Well UNICEF isn't a blogger so take yourself on over there and check it out. So you can't get around that one either. Strike 3.....your out.

Try learning something about what you are talking about before just talking ****.
 
Well UNICEF isn't a blogger so take yourself on over there and check it out. So you can't get around that one either. Strike 3.....your out.

That's nuts. You presented a blogger (whom you called CBS) and the basic numbers from the UN, neither of which give any credence to your claim.
 
That's nuts. You presented a blogger and the basic numbers from the UN, neither of which give any credence to your claim.

You asked for a link.....you got one that gave you an idea as to what then the percentage was. Moreover they based their statement on a Report from the UN. Then there are those totals from Unicef. Moreover you can check Red Cross as I doubt you will believe anything the Red Crescent says.

Which all give credence to my claim.....all you got is deflection and trying to change tangents. Basically due to having nothing and not knowing what you are talking about.

Like I said before. When you got anything that can back up what you have said. Then you got some room to talk. Until then I would suggest you go study some more.
 
You asked for a link.....

Everyone knows the total range. Your comment was regarding those killed, or civilians killed, by the rebels. A CBS link to a blog is not a mainstream source number. The "100-120k" total you appear to argue against. Everyone agrees with those numbers. I don't know why you think you're arguing them, it's a rather pointless strawman. No strike there, dude.

Regarding your "CBS" source, let's not go into the mockery possible of ~'this blogger counts as a mainstream source number'.

Are you claiming 50k killed by rebels and 80% non-civilian? I think that's about what your blogger estimates (he's probably around 90% non-civilian).
 
Everyone knows the total range. Your comment was regarding those killed, or civilians killed, by the rebels. A CBS link to a blog is not a mainstream source number. The "100-120k" total you appear to argue against. Everyone agrees with those numbers. I don't know why you think you're arguing them, it's a rather pointless strawman. No strike there, dude.

Regarding your "CBS" source, let's not go into the mockery possible of ~'this blogger counts as a mainstream source number'.

Are you claiming 50k killed by rebels and 80% non-civilian? I think that's about what your blogger estimates (he's probably around 90% non-civilian).


I never dismissed that total I said Assad wasn't responsible for that total. Which I said was around 118. So in that range. I showed you why. Based of the percentage of the Rebels killing around 44%. So another strike by you totally and all the way around.

Moreover I told you to produce a link that could validate what you are trying to say now. Again you got nothing Eco. As you know damn well you can't prove Assad has killed the number with your numbers you have up.

PS have to head out now. Ill check back to see if you can come up with something. Anything?????
 
PS have to head out now. Ill check back to see if you can come up with something. Anything?????

At some point, are you gonna realize that your blogger, who claims 45k government and 5k civilians killed by rebels is an anti-Assad blog and likely vastly overestimating the number of military kills. Will you also understand that while 10-20% (perhaps) of rebel caused deaths are civilians, the vast majority of Assad's kills are civilians.

Given the bias of the source, the rebels are probably responsible for ~30k military killed and 5-10k civilians. That leaves Assad with ~80k kills, mostly civilian. You cannot compare the civilian impact of the rebels and Assad.
 
at least wash it off before you slap it up here sheesh

Things are fine in Syria, Egypt & Iraq It's the logical conclusion of the Arab Spring
let's re-focus on what Obambi doesn't want you too

****, you've got a point Angry, could you find out what it is he doesn't want us focused on and we'll keep beating this horse in the meantime? :)
 
At some point, are you gonna realize that your blogger, who claims 45k government and 5k civilians killed by rebels is an anti-Assad blog and likely vastly overestimating the number of military kills. Will you also understand that while 10-20% (perhaps) of rebel caused deaths are civilians, the vast majority of Assad's kills are civilians.

Given the bias of the source, the rebels are probably responsible for ~30k military killed and 5-10k civilians. That leaves Assad with ~80k kills, mostly civilian. You cannot compare the civilian impact of the rebels and Assad.


You know Eco that the US killed far more civilians in Iraq than al Qaida, right?
 
We sure as hell did the only good Iraqi is a dead Iraqi
next stop Iran
 
You know Eco that the US killed far more civilians in Iraq than al Qaida, right?

And far less than Saddam (500k invasion of Iran, 200k genocide of Kurds, 50k genocide of Marsh Arabs, 400k sold food from oil). AlQ was held back by a genocidal maniac dictator. Freedom from terrorists is not worth a totalitarian genocidal dictatorship.
 
I dunno (or care) how many casualties there have been but I'll tell you what, the stoopid rebels love to post vids of themselves in combat and weehoo buddy what a ragtag buncha non-military murdering thugs they are. They are just about the most ineffective fighting force you'd ever see anywhere. They should all be wiped away like poop from a baby's bottom.

You have a good point (except the part about not caring how many civilians have been killed) those rebels put up YouTube of themselves eating people's hearts, beheading people and a host of other crimes against civilians, quite self incriminating.
 
You have a good point (except the part about not caring how many civilians have been killed) those rebels put up YouTube of themselves eating people's hearts, beheading people and a host of other crimes against civilians, quite self incriminating.

There are bad apples in every group. That means nothing. You could build a similarly stupid case against any group based on youtube videos. No one should be impressed.
 
And far less than Saddam (500k invasion of Iran, 200k genocide of Kurds, 50k genocide of Marsh Arabs, 400k sold food from oil). AlQ was held back by a genocidal maniac dictator. Freedom from terrorists is not worth a totalitarian genocidal dictatorship.


You know Eco, your occupation and your lack of regard for civilians killed by US forces is quite the conflict.
 
You know Eco, your occupation and your lack of regard for civilians killed by US forces is quite the conflict.

I have no lack of regard for civilians, that's just you spewing BS in attempt to demonize others.

I have perspective that not based on youtube videos.
 
There are bad apples in every group. That means nothing. You could build a similarly stupid case against any group based on youtube videos. No one should be impressed.


I bet it would mean a whole bunch if it was your heart or your head. How bizarre you come on here every day with support of and excuse for the Syrian terrorists that the Assad government is trying to suppress, with no help from the US . This fake war on terror is bull **** or as DaveFagan has pointed out, we would be readying ourselves to tomahawk them rather than the Syrian government.
 
I bet it would mean a whole bunch if it was your heart or your head.

I'm guessing your entire argument is based on this level of emotional BS. Youtube and appeals to emotion, how childish.

This fake war on terror is bull **** or as DaveFagan has pointed out,

That's your ally? hahaha
 
I have no lack of regard for civilians, that's just you spewing BS in attempt to demonize others.

I have perspective that not based on youtube videos.

I'm not trying to demonize you. I just don't comprehend your support for the Islamist extremist jihadist insurgents over the Assad government. You wring your hands over any civilians killed during Assad's forces to rout the terrorists from his country, yet you minimize and excuse the killing of civilians by the insurgents and US forces. You know damn well when the dust settles from the US bombing campaign that there will be thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of civilians dead because it, and that will be a perfectly fair trade to you.
 
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I'm guessing your entire argument is based on this level of emotional BS. Youtube and appeals to emotion, how childish.



That's your ally? hahaha

What do you mean ally. By my count there's at least as many people on this board calling bull**** on Syria as not.
 
What do you mean ally. By my count there's at least as many people on this board calling bull**** on Syria as not.

You and DaveFagan are quite a pair! hahaha
 
Then you'll kindly remove your scumbag BS accusation and apologize.

Sorry. It's not an accusation, you support the terrorists in this fight. Pull your support of the people we've been fighting for ten years, that have killed 5,000 US servicemen/women and you won't be a hypocrite any longer.
 
No, I don't, despite your scumbag accusations.

I see you still haven't come up with anything.....that's not surprising. You were already told to check Unicefs numbers and Red Cross. You are the failed to do so.

So just face the facts....you don't know what you are talking about when it comes to Syria. You never had from the beginning. Which is why you try to use the one glove fits all for Democracy BS.

First you cry and whine about the NY Times. Thn Right Wing Sources. Then Left Wing. Then anything outside the US. Then you have cried about CBS or where they reference some report to the UN. So all you really do is base your argument on whatever newsource that you can play with while whining about any newsource at the time.

While never putting up anything to back anything you say about Syria.

Time for you to go back to school. This time try reading **** for a change and not making **** up on the fly like you do.
 
At some point, are you gonna realize that your blogger, who claims 45k government and 5k civilians killed by rebels is an anti-Assad blog and likely vastly overestimating the number of military kills. Will you also understand that while 10-20% (perhaps) of rebel caused deaths are civilians, the vast majority of Assad's kills are civilians.

Given the bias of the source, the rebels are probably responsible for ~30k military killed and 5-10k civilians. That leaves Assad with ~80k kills, mostly civilian. You cannot compare the civilian impact of the rebels and Assad.

Other estimates range from 83,175 to 106,425. All of the totals include civilians, rebels, and security forces. Foreign civilians and fighters from both sides who have died are not included in the following figures:

Syrian Network for Human Rights 83,598 killed[16] 15 March 2011 – 29 May 2013
Next Century Foundation 75,816 killed[17] 1 June 2012 – 30 June 2013
United Nations 100,000 killed[4] 15 March 2011 – 24 July 2013
Syrian Observatory for Human Rights 106,423 killed[3] 15 March 2011 – 9 August 2013
Center for Documentation of Violations 83,175 killed[1][2] 15 March 2011 – 30 August 2013 .....<<<<<these are all links to sites you can confirm numbers on the dead with.

Al Jazeera journalist Nir Rosen reported that many of the deaths reported daily by activists are in fact armed insurgents falsely presented as civilian deaths, but confirmed that real civilian deaths do occur on a regular basis.[18] A number of Middle East political analysts, including those from the Lebanese Al Akhbar newspaper, have also urged caution.

This was later confirmed when in late May 2012, Rami Abdulrahman of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which is one of the opposition-affiliated groups counting the number of those killed in the uprising, stated that civilians who had taken up arms during the conflict were being counted under the category of "civilians".[22][23][24]

In May 2013, SOHR stated that at least 41,000 of those killed during the conflict were Alawites.[25]

The Next Century Foundation offer an alternative analysis of casualty figures. Their calculations are made by using figures from the Center for Documentation of Violations in Syria (VDC), Syrian Shuhada (Syrian Martyrs), Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, Local Coordination Committees of Syria (LCC) and Damascus Centre for Human Rights from June 2012 to the present. Figures for civilian, rebel and government casualties are calculated separately and added together for an overall total.


Pro-government combatants

Casualties

Syrian military and police 26,853 killed[3]
Shabiha and National Defense Force 17,564 killed[3.....<<<<< again with Links.

Opposition forces

Due to the opposition's policy of counting rebel fighters that were not defectors as civilians[22][23][24][46] a comprehensive number of rebels killed in the conflict, thus far, has not been ascertained. In late November 2012, the opposition activist group SOHR estimated that at least 10,000 rebels had been killed, but noted the possibility of the figure being higher because the rebels, like the government, were lying about how many of their forces had died to make it look like they were winning.[47] In March 2013, SOHR stated that the actual number of killed rebels and government forces could be double the number they were already able to document.[48]

The following tables provide examples of news reports which identify rebel casualties. The first table shows reports of rebel deaths for the period up to 9 August 2013, and those not included in SOHR's daily death tolls before and after 9 August 2013. The second table shows day-by-day reports of rebel deaths by SOHR after 9 August 2013.

Lebanese Hezbollah 171[3]–178[26] killed.....snip~

Casualties of the Syrian civil war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Set and match. :2razz:
 
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