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Navy ready to launch first strike on Syria

No that was just my thoughts on it. I am not a partisan hack so I dont know what either party says yet.
Oh, is that the defense, now?
 
But...but...Obama's missiles are going to kill innocent civilians!

Nah, Tomahawk Barack isn't going to get his chance. Russian stepped up to the Plate.

Moscow warns US against Syria military action.....


Military action against the Syrian regime would be a "tragic mistake," Russia said Sunday, warning the West not to preempt the results of a UN probe into alleged deadly chemical attacks.

Moscow warned there was a danger of history repeating itself a decade after the US-led invasion of Iraq, which it opposed, and urged the United States to refrain from any reckless decision.

"We strongly urge those who, by attempting to impose their own results on the UN experts, are raising the possibility of a military operation in Syria to use their common sense and refrain from committing a tragic mistake," foreign ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said in a statement.

"We are satisfied with the Syrian leadership's constructive approach towards ensuring an effective cooperation with the UN mission," the spokesman said.

Russia -- which together with Iran and China has supported Assad throughout the 29-month-old Syrian crisis -- urged the rebel camp to guarantee the safety of the UN team lead by professor Aake Sellstroem......snip~

Moscow warns US against Syria military action
 
No that was just my thoughts on it. I am not a partisan hack so I dont know what either party says yet.

I'm not one either.....but I have been listening. To Both Sides of the Same Bird. :lol:

Top lawmakers call for military response in Syria.....

Two top lawmakers are calling for an immediate U.S. military response to the Syria's suspected chemical weapons attack that killed at least a hundred civilians last week.

Republican Sen. Bob Corker is calling for the U.S. to respond in a "surgical and proportional way, something that gets their attention." The Tennessee lawmaker says such a response should not involve U.S. troops on the ground, however.

Democrat Rep. Eliot Engel of New York says the U.S. must respond "quickly," together with NATO allies, possibly using cruise missile strikes, as the U.S. and NATO did in Libya.

Corker and Engel appeared on "Fox News Sunday.".....snip~

Top lawmakers call for military response in Syria

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...ama-moves-us-naval-forces-closer-syria-5.html

Btw.....Corker just got back from the Middle East too. Bet he and Johnny had a good ole time. ;)
 
No that was just my thoughts on it. I am not a partisan hack so I dont know what either party says yet.

You're not a partisan hack--so you say--but we won't see you condemning Obama no matter what happens.
 
no not really, I am very pro gun and very anti abortion. I dont recall seeing you deviating from the party line recently though.
You're not a partisan hack--so you say--but we won't see you condemning Obama no matter what happens.
 
There has yet to be conclusive evidence as to who did this attack.

Heya Mr. I. :2wave: Yep and that's exactly what the Russians released about a half hour ago.

Russia: No proof Syria govt behind chemical strike

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says Western nations calling for military action against Syria have no proof that the Syrian government is behind the alleged chemical weapons attack.

Lavrov said in a televised news conference on Monday that the countries calling for action "cannot provide evidence" of the chemical weapons attack , and have assumed the role of "both investigators and the U.N. Security Council" in probing the incident.

Lavrov blamed Syrian opposition for manipulating reports of the attack in order to derail a peace conference on Syria.

Russia: No proof Syria govt behind chemical strike
Associated Press – 18 mins ago <<<<<

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...ama-moves-us-naval-forces-closer-syria-8.html
 
Surely you jest!!!

We have vacations to continue.

Where, in Mediterranean sea? :lol:

I've heard only Congress has the right to declare war, unless it's not emergency. No one can convince me this is a emergency.
 
no not really, I am very pro gun and very anti abortion. I dont recall seeing you deviating from the party line recently though.

I'n pro-choice, pro-gay marriage and pro-immigration reform, so obviously you haven't been paying attention. That, or you only see what you want to see.
 
Where, in Mediterranean sea? :lol:

I've heard only Congress has the right to declare war, unless it's not emergency. No one can convince me this is a emergency.

Look up the "war powers act"
 
Where, in Mediterranean sea? :lol:

I've heard only Congress has the right to declare war, unless it's not emergency. No one can convince me this is a emergency.

I thought so too,but anymore Obama does what he wants and congress doesn't push back!!
 
Ok great. I gave my opinion about something, you tried to imply that I was spouting the party line. I wasnt I just gave my opinion, why are we still talking about it?
I'n pro-choice, pro-gay marriage and pro-immigration reform, so obviously you haven't been paying attention. That, or you only see what you want to see.
 
So, when Obama air raids villages, you're going to speak out? Demand a war crimes trial?

Here are the applicable laws relating to war crimes: </title> <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/xsp/.ibmxspres/.mini/css/@Da&@Ib&2Tfxsp.css&2TfxspLTR.css.css"> <script type="text/javascript" src="/xsp/.ibmxspres/dojoroot-1.6.1/dojo/dojo.js" djConfig="locale: 'fr-ch'"></script> <script type=. If Obama violates these, then yes, he should be held accountable. I am, unlike you, completely consistent in my views of war. I would also point out that, like most liberals, I did not call for Bush to be tried for war crimes. Your whole premise is so ****ing laughable it is unreal.
 
Look up the "war powers act"

I think I've read it some time ago. I don't think the president can overrule Congress in that regard. After all America is not attacked in the slightest. :peace
 
Ok great. I gave my opinion about something, you tried to imply that I was spouting the party line. I wasnt I just gave my opinion, why are we still talking about it?

Because your finger is stuck in point mode, I guess.
 
I think I've read it some time ago. I don't think the president can overrule Congress in that regard. After all America is not attacked in the slightest. :peace

It doesn't have to be an emergency.
 
You're not a partisan hack--so you say--but we won't see you condemning Obama no matter what happens.

But you will condemn Obama no matter what. The irony is unmistakable.
 
It doesn't have to be an emergency.

So, you're actually saying the president can do whatever he wants, ignoring Congress?! :confused:
 
Look at it as defending human life. The missles wont intentionally aimed at civilians.

I don't think our missiles will ever have a chance to find out. Not at 820k per Tomahawk


Russia Steps Up Missile Sales to Syria

Not only will Russia make good on delivering advanced S-300 anti-missile batteries and surface-to-air missiles to Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime, it has also provided anti-ship cruise missiles with advanced guidance systems, the New York Times reported on Thursday.

According to the report, an upgraded version of the Yakhont anti-ship missiles is equipped with more advanced radar systems that will effectively prevent any foreign military intervention in Syria.

"It enables the regime to deter foreign forces looking to supply the opposition from sea or from undertaking a more active role if a no-fly zone or shipping embargo were to be declared at some point," the Times quoted IHS Jane's International Defense Review editor-in-chief Nick Brown. "It's a real ship killer."

Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal reported that Russia deployed at least a dozen warships to guard its naval base at Syria's Tartus port and provide further deterrence to any foreign intervention in the country's civil war.....snip~

Russia Steps Up Missile Sales to Syria - Inside Israel - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com Russia Steps Up Missile Sales to Syria - Inside Israel - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

Five Things You Should Know About Syria And Russia’s S-300 Missile System

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An S-300 air-defense system seen during a large-scale military exercise in Kazakhstan in 2011

What are the capabilities of the S-300 system?

The S-300 missile system is designed to shoot down aircraft and missiles at a range of 5-to-150 kilometers. That gives it the ability to destroy not only attackers in Syrian airspace but also any attackers inside Israel.

It can track and strike multiple targets simultaneously at altitudes ranging from 10 meters to 27,000 meters.

"The S-300 is Russia's top-of-the-range air-defense system," says Robert Hewson, the London-based editor of "IHS Jane's Air-Launched Weapons." "It is a surface-to-air missile system that's capable of shooting down any modern combat aircraft or missiles, including cruise missiles. In a way, it is the Russian equivalent to the U.S. Patriot system. And what it does for Syria is it adds a whole new level of capability on top of the existing Syrian air defenses. Syria already has a lot of Russian [surface-to-air] missiles, but the S-300 would be the most advanced."

How much would a deployed S-300 system complicate a decision by the international community to create no-fly zones in Syria?

The deployment of the S-300 system would greatly complicate any such measures in Syria.

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A launch of the S-300 air-defense system


Five Things You Should Know About Syria And Russia

Which doesn't count the Russian's Destroyers that can launch a Cruise missile to take out another. Or any other Anti Missile defense systems. Nor does it count the Mig 35 or 47. Which is alleged to be able to drop in from above the earth's atmosphere.

Report: Russia Sent Syria Super-Advanced S-300 Missiles

A report Thursday said that Russia has supplied Syria with advanced S-300 missiles, and has sent advisers to help Syria run the system.

Russian warships that have reached waters off Syria in recent days were carrying, among other things, Russian technical advisors who will help the Syrians set up an array of S-300 missiles Damascus has received in recent weeks, a report in the London-based Arabic language Al Quds-Al Arabi said Thursday. Citing sources in Syria and Russia, the paper said that Moscow sees a Western attack on Syria as a “red line” that it will not tolerate.

Along with the missiles, the report says that Russia has installed advanced radar systems in all key Syrian military and industrial installations. The radar system also covers areas north and south of Syria, where it will be able to detect movement of troops or aircraft towards the Syrian border. The radar targets include much of Israel, as well as the Incirlik military base in Turkey, which is used by NATO.

The S-300 system is regarded as one of the most potent anti-aircraft missile systems available. The system's radar is able to simultaneously track up to 100 targets while engaging up to 12. Deployment time for the S-300 is five minutes, and they have a very long life span, with no maintenance needed.....snip~

Report: Russia Sent Syria Advanced S-300 Missiles - Defense/Security - News - Israel National News Report: Russia Sent Syria Advanced S-300 Missiles - Defense/Security - News - Israel National News
 
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All I can say it I would hate to be assigned to that S300 as a crew member right about now. And thanks for the info.
I don't think our missiles will ever have a chance to find out. Not at 820k per Tomahawk


Russia Steps Up Missile Sales to Syria

Not only will Russia make good on delivering advanced S-300 anti-missile batteries and surface-to-air missiles to Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime, it has also provided anti-ship cruise missiles with advanced guidance systems, the New York Times reported on Thursday.

According to the report, an upgraded version of the Yakhont anti-ship missiles is equipped with more advanced radar systems that will effectively prevent any foreign military intervention in Syria.

"It enables the regime to deter foreign forces looking to supply the opposition from sea or from undertaking a more active role if a no-fly zone or shipping embargo were to be declared at some point," the Times quoted IHS Jane's International Defense Review editor-in-chief Nick Brown. "It's a real ship killer."

Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal reported that Russia deployed at least a dozen warships to guard its naval base at Syria's Tartus port and provide further deterrence to any foreign intervention in the country's civil war.....snip~

Russia Steps Up Missile Sales to Syria - Inside Israel - CBN News - Christian News 24-7 - CBN.com

Five Things You Should Know About Syria And Russia’s S-300 Missile System

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An S-300 air-defense system seen during a large-scale military exercise in Kazakhstan in 2011

What are the capabilities of the S-300 system?

The S-300 missile system is designed to shoot down aircraft and missiles at a range of 5-to-150 kilometers. That gives it the ability to destroy not only attackers in Syrian airspace but also any attackers inside Israel.

It can track and strike multiple targets simultaneously at altitudes ranging from 10 meters to 27,000 meters.

"The S-300 is Russia's top-of-the-range air-defense system," says Robert Hewson, the London-based editor of "IHS Jane's Air-Launched Weapons." "It is a surface-to-air missile system that's capable of shooting down any modern combat aircraft or missiles, including cruise missiles. In a way, it is the Russian equivalent to the U.S. Patriot system. And what it does for Syria is it adds a whole new level of capability on top of the existing Syrian air defenses. Syria already has a lot of Russian [surface-to-air] missiles, but the S-300 would be the most advanced."

How much would a deployed S-300 system complicate a decision by the international community to create no-fly zones in Syria?

The deployment of the S-300 system would greatly complicate any such measures in Syria.

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A launch of the S-300 air-defense system

Could foreign powers find ways to circumvent the S-300 system if it were deployed?

One way to circumvent air-defense systems is to try to disrupt their operations through electronic techniques rather than attack them directly. But Elleman says it is an open question whether the S-300 could be blocked this way.

"Electronic warfare and spoofing of systems in quite common," he says, "but one must keep in mind that the S-300 is a very sophisticated piece of weaponry. And I am not convinced that the West, Israel, or Turkey could reliably neutralize the system without taking some kind of kinetic action -- in other words, going after some of the radar or some of the interceptors [with force]. So, in terms of circumventing, I think it would be very difficult and very risky." .....snip~

Five Things You Should Know About Syria And Russia

Which doesn't count the Russian's Destroyers that can launch a Cruise missile to take out another. Or any other Anti Missile defense systems. Nor does it count the Mig 35 or 47. Which is alleged to be able to drop in from above the earth's atmosphere.

Report: Russia Sent Syria Super-Advanced S-300 Missiles

A report Thursday said that Russia has supplied Syria with advanced S-300 missiles, and has sent advisers to help Syria run the system.

Russian warships that have reached waters off Syria in recent days were carrying, among other things, Russian technical advisors who will help the Syrians set up an array of S-300 missiles Damascus has received in recent weeks, a report in the London-based Arabic language Al Quds-Al Arabi said Thursday. Citing sources in Syria and Russia, the paper said that Moscow sees a Western attack on Syria as a “red line” that it will not tolerate.

Along with the missiles, the report says that Russia has installed advanced radar systems in all key Syrian military and industrial installations. The radar system also covers areas north and south of Syria, where it will be able to detect movement of troops or aircraft towards the Syrian border. The radar targets include much of Israel, as well as the Incirlik military base in Turkey, which is used by NATO.

The S-300 system is regarded as one of the most potent anti-aircraft missile systems available. The system's radar is able to simultaneously track up to 100 targets while engaging up to 12. Deployment time for the S-300 is five minutes, and they have a very long life span, with no maintenance needed.....snip~

Report: Russia Sent Syria Advanced S-300 Missiles - Defense/Security - News - Israel National News
 
All I can say it I would hate to be assigned to that S300 as a crew member right about now. And thanks for the info.

Why.....the Syrians aren't worried as they have all kinds of anti air missiles as well as the Russians sitting with 12 ships we know of at Tartus. Although.....we do not know how many subs they have sent to Club Med.

What happens if the Russians throw out a blockade? They wouldn't even have to fire one shot. Just deploy their ships. Now who in the West is going to start WWIII? Over Syria.....or for the Sunni Muslims?
 
So, you're actually saying the president can do whatever he wants, ignoring Congress?! :confused:

Mornin' Canell :2wave: .....actually according to the two members of Congress that were on Face the Nation. They believe Obama can start whatever process and then Congress can take it from there.
 
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