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Feds are building a detective squad to target consumers and companies that don't foll

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It's because Diogenes actually knows the meaning of the word.

He wrote a sentence. That is not demonstrating things. Jesus Christ.
 
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Oh,...ok....When should we take note? When the number reaches 10,000? 100,000? OR, should we look at what they are being formed to do?

What do you think they are being formed to do?
 
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hawking hyperbole is something different than taking note
We can take note whenever we like.
But comparing 86 guys to an army and comparing Obama to Hitler isn't really taking note of what is happening in the world. It's hyperventilating.
ymmv

Perhaps you might want to read this, with the attached links, before you get too comfortable with the benign big government idea.

When Your W-2 Meets an AR-15 | National Review Online

It seems that the good old days of people's instinctive mistrust of big and powerful governments has largely disappeared. In it's place we have people wanting more of it, despite the lessons of histroy being readily available in a library or the internet.

In fact everywhere except, perhaps, the public school system.
 
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Your sig nails it.
:lamo You, you nailed it, my friend with your awesome rejoinder there.
Perhaps you might want to read this, with the attached links, before you get too comfortable with the benign big government idea.
When Your W-2 Meets an AR-15 | National Review Online
It seems that the good old days of people's instinctive mistrust of big and powerful governments has largely disappeared. In it's place we have people wanting more of it, despite the lessons of histroy being readily available in a library or the internet.
In fact everywhere except, perhaps, the public school system.
Being skeptical of wild-eyed comparisons coming from a person is entirely compatible with being wary of what people say. Because the govt is made up of people, being skeptical of wild-eyed comparisons imp-lies being skeptical of govt. Why should I turn off my skepticism just because someone has a .gov e-mail address?

86 federal agents is so far removed from being a "force just as big, just as well armed as the US military"
To me, it seems quite possible to acknowledge that 86 detectives is a far cry from 1.4 million while retaining a basic wariness of govt which extends from a basic wariness of people. If anything, acknowledging that people can get hyperbolic and hyperventilate reinforces the idea that the things people say need to be scrutinized before accepting them. And govt is made up of people.

Pointing out that someone is exaggerating when they compare 86 guys to the US Military is something different than accepting "benign big government." It is also something different than trusting govt.

Of course, ymmv.

Also, fwiw, I don't think that the level of mistrust of govt in general population has changed all that much. I just think that the steep increase in distrust of political parties and their operatives has changed how that attitude presents.
 
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What do you think they are being formed to do?

I think it's laid out pretty clear in the article. Maybe you should read it past the word that annoys you.
 
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Building a civilian force just as big, just as well armed as the US military...Wasn't that what Barry said we needed? Who knew that Congress (the people) would be bypassed in deciding this sort of thing, or approving it....

No civilian or even police force is just as big or just as well armed than the US military. That is not a little bit untrue but utter and total :bs

The same :bs was spread the law enforcement bought 16 or so mine protected vehicles. The story than was the same, law enforcement just as well armed as the US military.
 
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Building a civilian force just as big, just as well armed as the US military...Wasn't that what Barry said we needed? Who knew that Congress (the people) would be bypassed in deciding this sort of thing, or approving it....

Since when has the Congress been directly involved in hiring decisions of Federal agencies? That's micromanagement to the extreme. Sure if the President wants to appoint a new Secretary of State or Federal Judge than ya Congress can have a hearing, but to review the hiring of thousands of mid-level employees? That's not functioning government.
 
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Being skeptical of wild-eyed comparisons coming from a person is entirely compatible with being wary of what people say. Because the govt is made up of people, being skeptical of wild-eyed comparisons imp-lies being skeptical of govt. Why should I turn off my skepticism just because someone has a .gov e-mail address?
I have no idea. You're the only one who has raised this question.

86 federal agents is so far removed from being a "force just as big, just as well armed as the US military"
To me, it seems quite possible to acknowledge that 86 detectives is a far cry from 1.4 million while retaining a basic wariness of govt which extends from a basic wariness of people. If anything, acknowledging that people can get hyperbolic and hyperventilate reinforces the idea that the things people say need to be scrutinized before accepting them.
There doesn't seem to be anyone being hyperbolic or hyperventilating but you be sure to point it out if there is.

And govt is made up of people.
Good point. The inmates of prisons are people too. I doubt anyone argued the contrary.

Pointing out that someone is exaggerating when they compare 86 guys to the US Military is something different than accepting "benign big government." It is also something different than trusting govt.
You didn't read the links, right?

Also, fwiw, I don't think that the level of mistrust of govt in general population has changed all that much. I just think that the steep increase in distrust of political parties and their operatives has changed how that attitude presents.
It seems clear enough that too many people are defending a political party in the way they would their family, deliberately avoiding the problems, and even lawlessness, taking place within. We've seen that repeatedly with the present administration.
 
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Since when has the Congress been directly involved in hiring decisions of Federal agencies? That's micromanagement to the extreme. Sure if the President wants to appoint a new Secretary of State or Federal Judge than ya Congress can have a hearing, but to review the hiring of thousands of mid-level employees? That's not functioning government.

Hiring thousands of mid level employees while not being aware of their function would appear to be a problem. Where do you think the buck should stop?
 
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I think it's laid out pretty clear in the article. Maybe you should read it past the word that annoys you.

I didn't want the article's opinion. I wanted to hear yours. You know, if you had your own thoughts, I mean. This big, well-armed security force of 1800 people you're terrified of: what are they going to do that bothers you?
 
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I didn't want the article's opinion. I wanted to hear yours. You know, if you had your own thoughts, I mean. This big, well-armed security force of 1800 people you're terrified of: what are they going to do that bothers you?

"Terrified"? "If I have my own opinion"? Wow, way to add snotty to your post....Yes, I do have my own opinion...And I do believe that if Obama could get away with arming a civilian force in an authoritarian quest overtly he absolutely would...Is this in that vein? Maybe....Does 80 some people constitute a "force"? I don't know, depends on how they build from there doesn't it?
 
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I have no idea. You're the only one who has raised this question.
I didn't mark it as one, but that was a rhetorical question. It's not actually asked to be answered. It's just asked to make a point.

There doesn't seem to be anyone being hyperbolic or hyperventilating but you be sure to point it out if there is.
I did point it out.

You didn't read the links, right?
Can you point to what has led to make this mistake?
 
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This big, well-armed security force of 1800 people...
There're only 86 of them which are armed.
 
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At the current hiring rate of ~500 people per year.... how long before they match the US military? Another 3000 years? And no, Obama was talking about AmeriCorps. Not HHS.

Americorps, heheh they get foodstamps.
 
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Building a civilian force just as big, just as well armed as the US military...Wasn't that what Barry said we needed? Who knew that Congress (the people) would be bypassed in deciding this sort of thing, or approving it....
One more reminder that "healthcare" (under the guise of "Obama"care) is just a false front for what the Democrats have really been pursuing for the past 100 years - raw, unmitigated power.
 
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One more reminder that "healthcare" (under the guise of "Obama"care) is just a false front for what the Democrats have really been pursuing for the past 100 years - raw, unmitigated power.

No doubt...the only thing I would add is that more so than a Democrat objective, it is a progressive agenda. Those come from both sides of the isle.
 
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No doubt...the only thing I would add is that more so than a Democrat objective, it is a progressive agenda. Those come from both sides of the isle.
That's [sadly] true.

Unfortunately, the Democrat party has practically been swallowed up by progressives; that there are some republican remoras (suckerfish) who've attached themselves to the shark is another issue.

The problem is that our federal government has become so big, so massive, it's literally become the 2nd citizen in this nation - and its own party, if you will. We keep on thinking we're a nation of citizens and our government is "us." But it's not. The government has become "self-aware."
 
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That's [sadly] true.

Unfortunately, the Democrat party has practically been swallowed up by progressives; that there are some republican remoras (suckerfish) who've attached themselves to the shark is another issue.

The problem is that our federal government has become so big, so massive, it's literally become the 2nd citizen in this nation - and its own party, if you will. We keep on thinking we're a nation of citizens and our government is "us." But it's not. The government has become "self-aware."

It's become an archaic idea that the government and its bureaucracy work for us, that the taxpayer is boss. To do get back what was lost might be greater State rights, with the threat of secession if necessary. This threat may not be possible but the power of the Feds must inevitably be challenged before all personal freedoms are lost.
 
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It's become an archaic idea that the government and its bureaucracy work for us, that the taxpayer is boss. To do get back what was lost might be greater State rights, with the threat of secession if necessary. This threat may not be possible but the power of the Feds must inevitably be challenged before all personal freedoms are lost.
Well, I agree; and it's deplorable that the state of affairs sank this low before we as a nation are realizing just how close we've come to becoming a totalitarian nation.
 
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Well, I agree; and it's deplorable that the state of affairs sank this low before we as a nation are realizing just how close we've come to becoming a totalitarian nation.
The problem in mho is that the coming generation won't even know what they lost. Only those old enough to remember will understand, while they will see it as normal.
 
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The problem in mho is that the coming generation won't even know what they lost. Only those old enough to remember will understand, while they will see it as normal.
Good point. But then, that's one of the prerequisites for it being able to happen in the first place - a dumbed down populace of low-information voters who don't know any better because the regime that taught them made sure they never learned what previous generations were taught so diligently.
 
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Good point. But then, that's one of the prerequisites for it being able to happen in the first place - a dumbed down populace of low-information voters who don't know any better because the regime that taught them made sure they never learned what previous generations were taught so diligently.

One of the facets we should be copying is the take over of the nations education system...We should be doing that the same way that progressive liberals took it over from the 60s to today.
 
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One of the facets we should be copying is the take over of the nations education system...We should be doing that the same way that progressive liberals took it over from the 60s to today.

My feeling is that's why the left fights so strongly against a voucher system. A well educated populace is unlikely to vote Democrat.
 
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One of the facets we should be copying is the take over of the nations education system...We should be doing that the same way that progressive liberals took it over from the 60s to today.
We're trying via the charter schools. :thumbs:
 
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My feeling is that's why the left fights so strongly against a voucher system. A well educated populace is unlikely to vote Democrat.
Exactly. They're against anything that will hurt their cause - and a well-educated (versus indoctrinated) populace is at the top of their target list.

Think about it. The first thing leftist dictators have always done when they get into power is kill off the intellectuals and teachers.
 
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