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89 Year Old WWII Veteran Beaten and Left for Dead Dies

Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

We live on $350/week ($18K/year) so I think that I do understand very well what that is like. Again you ignore that many places in the US have incomes far below that level and yet are not high crime areas.
Not all those places have the disparity of income, usually seen in cities where poverty is high. You won't see crime when there isn't anything there.

See here is the thing, there are lots of rural areas that have no money available but they also have no people there, or a small enough people per sq mile you might not see your neighbor for days. When there is no one around to compare to there won't be a high crime rate. Family members on a farm don't generally murder each other, unless its for money or love.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Not all those places have the disparity of income, usually seen in cities where poverty is high. You won't see crime when there isn't anything there.

See here is the thing, there are lots of rural areas that have no money available but they also have no people there, or a small enough people per sq mile you might not see your neighbor for days. When there is no one around to compare to there won't be a high crime rate. Family members on a farm don't generally murder each other, unless its for money or love.

Then we can agree that poverty alone is not the issue? Is it not, in fact, easier to commit crime when nobody is likely to be there to witness it?

Kyle TX 78640 crime rates and crime statistics - NeighborhoodScout
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

I don't debate that. I said that your comparison is crap.

It perfectly illustrates my point.

It's not word games to say that suburbs have more income and less crime. It's not word games to say that suburbs are not inner cities.

EVERY suburb EVERYWHERE has more income and less crime?..are you SURE?
Why are you focusing on "inner city"..My post showed it was the ENTIRE city.

You can't compare the New York Yankees to a semi-pro squad in Wisconsin. Apples and oranges.
Irrelevant to the discussion..More evasion and obfuscation.

Yes, whiter, richer places have less crime.
ALL of them? Are you SURE? Why would that be, if it's true?

Your contention is that it's because black people are inherently less good than white people. Prove that it's because of race.

I never said anything of the sort. I just posted the facts. You can imply/infer whatever you want.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

You seem to have lost your way.

The neo nazi message board is over at Stormfront.

Address the point and debunk it if you can.

the most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Are you actually denying that there are problems within the African American community? Continually making them into victims isn't helping them at all you know.

No, but he took a class. :lol:
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Address the point and debunk it if you can.

the most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.

mistaking correlation for causation. common mistake...
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

mistaking correlation for causation. common mistake...

So in other words you know it's true, don't like it and are trying to hide behind a cliche to discredit the fact.

Save your cliche's. It doesn't debunk the premise anyway.

The most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.
Prove it wrong.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

So in other words you know it's true, don't like it and are trying to hide behind a cliche to discredit the fact.

Save your cliche's. It doesn't debunk the premise anyway.

The most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.
Prove it wrong.

Ahhh ye olde cliche defense. Instead dealing with the facts that you are mistaking correlation for causation you just dismiss it as a cliche. OK so lets look at your premise. Here are the top 15 US cities by population.

New York - 51.2% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Los Angeles - 68.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Chicago - 45.1% minority 79th on the 100 most dangerous cities in US for per capita violent crime
Houston - 60.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Philadelphia - 45.1% minority 50th on the 100 most dangerous cities in the US for per capita violent crime
Phoenix - 41.4% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
San Antonio - 64% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
San Diego - 51.6% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Dallas - 49.9% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
San Jose - 64.9% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Austin - 45.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Jacksonville - 34.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Indianapolis - 25.5% minority 60th on the top 100 most dangerous cities in the US for per capita violent crime
San Francisco - 57.6% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Columbus - 24.1% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime

So just to recap of the 15 most populace cities in the US only 3 are on the top 100 list for per capita violent crime rates and all three have majority white populations. When are the white leaders of America going to do something about the crisis in white America????

Needless to say your premise if false and you are still mistaking correlation for causation.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

So in other words you know it's true, don't like it and are trying to hide behind a cliche to discredit the fact.

Save your cliche's. It doesn't debunk the premise anyway.

The most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.
Prove it wrong.

You haven't proved that there's more crime BECAUSE they're black. You have proved that poorer areas have more crime than richer ones, even though you say that's not your point.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

You haven't proved that there's more crime BECAUSE they're black. You have proved that poorer areas have more crime than richer ones, even though you say that's not your point.

I haven't "proved" it because I never claimed that.

I DID say that;

The most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Ahhh ye olde cliche defense. Instead dealing with the facts that you are mistaking correlation for causation you just dismiss it as a cliche. OK so lets look at your premise. Here are the top 15 US cities by population.

New York - 51.2% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Los Angeles - 68.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Chicago - 45.1% minority 79th on the 100 most dangerous cities in US for per capita violent crime
Houston - 60.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Philadelphia - 45.1% minority 50th on the 100 most dangerous cities in the US for per capita violent crime
Phoenix - 41.4% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
San Antonio - 64% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
San Diego - 51.6% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Dallas - 49.9% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
San Jose - 64.9% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Austin - 45.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Jacksonville - 34.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Indianapolis - 25.5% minority 60th on the top 100 most dangerous cities in the US for per capita violent crime
San Francisco - 57.6% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Columbus - 24.1% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime

So just to recap of the 15 most populace cities in the US only 3 are on the top 100 list for per capita violent crime rates and all three have majority white populations. When are the white leaders of America going to do something about the crisis in white America????

Needless to say your premise if false and you are still mistaking correlation for causation.


You're wrong and trying to be evasive.
My premise is not false and the FBI data proving it is (once again) listed below.


The FBI doesn't parse data to only suit an agenda (as you are). We are looking at factual raw data with no equivocating.

Now, if you can debunk those numbers and prove that the FBI is lying, proceed. Stop trying to redefine the topic and move the goal posts to support your argument.

According to the FBI;



Top 10 most dangerous cities in America 2013
1. Camden, New Jersey (Population 77, 344) (17.59% Caucasian, 48.07% African American, 34.34% Other Race) ($27,027)

2. Detroit, Michigan (Population 713,777) ( 10.6% Caucasian, 82.7% African American, 6.7% Other Race) ($25,787)

3. Atlanta, Georgia (Population 420,003) ( 38.4% Caucasian, 54% African American, 7.6% Other Race) ($35,453)

4. St. Louis, Missouri (Population 319,294) ( 43.9% Caucasian, 49.2% African American, 6.9% Other Race) ($29,159)

5. Gary, Indiana (Population 80,294) ( 11.92% Caucasian, 84.03% African American, 4.05% Other Race) ($27,195)

6. Washington, DC (Population 617,996) ( 38.5% Caucasian, 50.7% African American, 10.8% Other Race) ($55,755)

7. Hartford, Connecticut (Population 124,775) ( 18.72% Caucasian, 40.05% African American, 41.23% Other Race) ($20,820)

8. New Orleans, Louisiana (Population 343,829) ( 33% Caucasian, 60.2% African American, 6.8% Other Race) ($24,929)

9. Richmond, Virginia (Population 204,214) ( 41.6% Caucasian, 52.3% African American, 6.1% Other Race) ($31,121)

10. Birmingham, Alabama (Population 212,237) ( 35.07% Caucasian, 62.46% African American, 2.47% Other Race) ($26,735)

Dishonorable Mention: Chicago, Illinois (Population 2,695,598) (45.0% Caucasian, 32.9% African American, 22.1% Other Race) ($38,625)
Read more at Top 10 most dangerous cities in America 2013

Top 10 Safest cities in the US 2013
1. Newton, Massachusetts (Population 85,146) (79.6% Caucasian, 2.5% African American, 17.9% Other Race) ($112,230)

2. Brick Township, New Jersey (Population 75,072) ( 93.05% Caucasian, 2% African American, 4.95% Other Race) ($65,129)

3. Amherst, New York (Population 122,366) ( 83.8% Caucasian, 5.7% African American, 10.5% Other Race) ($55,427)

4. Mission Viejo, California (Population 93,305) ( 79.8% Caucasian, 1.3% African American, 18.9% Other Race) ($93,330)

5. Clarkstown, New York (Population 84,187) ( 79.97% Caucasian, 7.87% African American, 12.16% Other Race) ($92,121)

6. Lake Forest, California (Population 77,264) ( 70.3% Caucasian, 1.7% African American, 28% Other Race) ($86,285)

7. Thousand Oaks, California (Population 126,683) ( 80.3% Caucasian, 1.3% African American, 18.4% Other Race) ($101,120)

8. Colonie, New York (Population 81,591) ( 90.55% Caucasian, 3.96% African American, 5.85% Other Race) ($51,817)

9. Cary, North Carolina (Population 135,234) ( 73.1% Caucasian, 8% African American, 18.9% Other Race) ($83,292)

10. Toms River, New Jersey (Population 91,239) ( 89.91% Caucasian, 2.7% African American, 7.39% Other Race) ($71,934)
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

You're wrong and trying to be evasive.
My premise is not false and the FBI data proving it is (once again) listed below.


The FBI doesn't parse data to only suit an agenda (as you are). We are looking at factual raw data with no equivocating.

Now, if you can debunk those numbers and prove that the FBI is lying, proceed. Stop trying to redefine the topic and move the goal posts to support your argument.

According to the FBI;



Top 10 most dangerous cities in America 2013
1. Camden, New Jersey (Population 77, 344) (17.59% Caucasian, 48.07% African American, 34.34% Other Race) ($27,027)

2. Detroit, Michigan (Population 713,777) ( 10.6% Caucasian, 82.7% African American, 6.7% Other Race) ($25,787)

3. Atlanta, Georgia (Population 420,003) ( 38.4% Caucasian, 54% African American, 7.6% Other Race) ($35,453)

4. St. Louis, Missouri (Population 319,294) ( 43.9% Caucasian, 49.2% African American, 6.9% Other Race) ($29,159)

5. Gary, Indiana (Population 80,294) ( 11.92% Caucasian, 84.03% African American, 4.05% Other Race) ($27,195)

6. Washington, DC (Population 617,996) ( 38.5% Caucasian, 50.7% African American, 10.8% Other Race) ($55,755)

7. Hartford, Connecticut (Population 124,775) ( 18.72% Caucasian, 40.05% African American, 41.23% Other Race) ($20,820)

8. New Orleans, Louisiana (Population 343,829) ( 33% Caucasian, 60.2% African American, 6.8% Other Race) ($24,929)

9. Richmond, Virginia (Population 204,214) ( 41.6% Caucasian, 52.3% African American, 6.1% Other Race) ($31,121)

10. Birmingham, Alabama (Population 212,237) ( 35.07% Caucasian, 62.46% African American, 2.47% Other Race) ($26,735)

Dishonorable Mention: Chicago, Illinois (Population 2,695,598) (45.0% Caucasian, 32.9% African American, 22.1% Other Race) ($38,625)
Read more at Top 10 most dangerous cities in America 2013

Top 10 Safest cities in the US 2013
1. Newton, Massachusetts (Population 85,146) (79.6% Caucasian, 2.5% African American, 17.9% Other Race) ($112,230)

2. Brick Township, New Jersey (Population 75,072) ( 93.05% Caucasian, 2% African American, 4.95% Other Race) ($65,129)

3. Amherst, New York (Population 122,366) ( 83.8% Caucasian, 5.7% African American, 10.5% Other Race) ($55,427)

4. Mission Viejo, California (Population 93,305) ( 79.8% Caucasian, 1.3% African American, 18.9% Other Race) ($93,330)

5. Clarkstown, New York (Population 84,187) ( 79.97% Caucasian, 7.87% African American, 12.16% Other Race) ($92,121)

6. Lake Forest, California (Population 77,264) ( 70.3% Caucasian, 1.7% African American, 28% Other Race) ($86,285)

7. Thousand Oaks, California (Population 126,683) ( 80.3% Caucasian, 1.3% African American, 18.4% Other Race) ($101,120)

8. Colonie, New York (Population 81,591) ( 90.55% Caucasian, 3.96% African American, 5.85% Other Race) ($51,817)

9. Cary, North Carolina (Population 135,234) ( 73.1% Caucasian, 8% African American, 18.9% Other Race) ($83,292)

10. Toms River, New Jersey (Population 91,239) ( 89.91% Caucasian, 2.7% African American, 7.39% Other Race) ($71,934)

Again your premise is faulse. You are mistaking correlation for causation.

Safest - Newton, MA median income $109.724 Most Dangerous - Camden, NJ median income $26,347
Brick Township, NJ median income $63,884 Detroit, MI median income $27,862
Amherst, NY median income $87,881 Atlanta, GA median income $49,736
Mission Viejo, CA median income $93.305 St. Louis, MO median income $34,402
Clarkstown, NY median income $56,951 Gary, IN median income $48,393
Lake Forest, CA median income $94,632 Washington, DC median income $61,835
Thousand Oaks, CA median income $100,373 Hartford, CT median income $29,107
Colonie, NY median income $70,389 New Orleans, LA median income $44,086
Cary, NC median income $91,997 Richmond, VA median income $39,201
Toms River, NJ median income $73,796 Birmingham, AL median income $42,934

From the above it would be just as easy for me to state that the most dangerous cities in the US are because they have a median income of less than $50K. The only outlier in that is Washington, DC and if you look into those numbers I am sure the reason the median income is high is due to all the politicians salaries and their hacks are included in that number. That being said I would still be wrong in saying that because that would make the same mistake you are making. I would be mistaking correlation for causation. I can correlate low median income with crime but I cannot prove it is the deciding factor. The same is true with your premise. In fact I think you are a premise in search of facts. You make the facts prove your premise. Your premise is flawed. It is obvious to everyone but those wishing your premise to be true.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

I haven't "proved" it because I never claimed that.

I DID say that;

The most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.

So it's not because of income, and it's not because they're minorities....it's magic!
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

You're wrong and trying to be evasive.
My premise is not false and the FBI data proving it is (once again) listed below.


The FBI doesn't parse data to only suit an agenda (as you are). We are looking at factual raw data with no equivocating.

Now, if you can debunk those numbers and prove that the FBI is lying, proceed. Stop trying to redefine the topic and move the goal posts to support your argument.

According to the FBI;



Top 10 most dangerous cities in America 2013
1. Camden, New Jersey (Population 77, 344) (17.59% Caucasian, 48.07% African American, 34.34% Other Race) ($27,027)

2. Detroit, Michigan (Population 713,777) ( 10.6% Caucasian, 82.7% African American, 6.7% Other Race) ($25,787)

3. Atlanta, Georgia (Population 420,003) ( 38.4% Caucasian, 54% African American, 7.6% Other Race) ($35,453)

4. St. Louis, Missouri (Population 319,294) ( 43.9% Caucasian, 49.2% African American, 6.9% Other Race) ($29,159)

5. Gary, Indiana (Population 80,294) ( 11.92% Caucasian, 84.03% African American, 4.05% Other Race) ($27,195)

6. Washington, DC (Population 617,996) ( 38.5% Caucasian, 50.7% African American, 10.8% Other Race) ($55,755)

7. Hartford, Connecticut (Population 124,775) ( 18.72% Caucasian, 40.05% African American, 41.23% Other Race) ($20,820)

8. New Orleans, Louisiana (Population 343,829) ( 33% Caucasian, 60.2% African American, 6.8% Other Race) ($24,929)

9. Richmond, Virginia (Population 204,214) ( 41.6% Caucasian, 52.3% African American, 6.1% Other Race) ($31,121)

10. Birmingham, Alabama (Population 212,237) ( 35.07% Caucasian, 62.46% African American, 2.47% Other Race) ($26,735)

Dishonorable Mention: Chicago, Illinois (Population 2,695,598) (45.0% Caucasian, 32.9% African American, 22.1% Other Race) ($38,625)
Read more at Top 10 most dangerous cities in America 2013

Top 10 Safest cities in the US 2013
1. Newton, Massachusetts (Population 85,146) (79.6% Caucasian, 2.5% African American, 17.9% Other Race) ($112,230)

2. Brick Township, New Jersey (Population 75,072) ( 93.05% Caucasian, 2% African American, 4.95% Other Race) ($65,129)

3. Amherst, New York (Population 122,366) ( 83.8% Caucasian, 5.7% African American, 10.5% Other Race) ($55,427)

4. Mission Viejo, California (Population 93,305) ( 79.8% Caucasian, 1.3% African American, 18.9% Other Race) ($93,330)

5. Clarkstown, New York (Population 84,187) ( 79.97% Caucasian, 7.87% African American, 12.16% Other Race) ($92,121)

6. Lake Forest, California (Population 77,264) ( 70.3% Caucasian, 1.7% African American, 28% Other Race) ($86,285)

7. Thousand Oaks, California (Population 126,683) ( 80.3% Caucasian, 1.3% African American, 18.4% Other Race) ($101,120)

8. Colonie, New York (Population 81,591) ( 90.55% Caucasian, 3.96% African American, 5.85% Other Race) ($51,817)

9. Cary, North Carolina (Population 135,234) ( 73.1% Caucasian, 8% African American, 18.9% Other Race) ($83,292)

10. Toms River, New Jersey (Population 91,239) ( 89.91% Caucasian, 2.7% African American, 7.39% Other Race) ($71,934)

Link please?
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

No, it's culture.

Yes, it is. Call me "old-fashioned," but being married before having children is one way to break the cycle of poverty and all that this invites.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Ahhh ye olde cliche defense. Instead dealing with the facts that you are mistaking correlation for causation you just dismiss it as a cliche. OK so lets look at your premise. Here are the top 15 US cities by population.

New York - 51.2% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Los Angeles - 68.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Chicago - 45.1% minority 79th on the 100 most dangerous cities in US for per capita violent crime
Houston - 60.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Philadelphia - 45.1% minority 50th on the 100 most dangerous cities in the US for per capita violent crime
Phoenix - 41.4% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
San Antonio - 64% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
San Diego - 51.6% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Dallas - 49.9% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
San Jose - 64.9% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Austin - 45.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Jacksonville - 34.5% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Indianapolis - 25.5% minority 60th on the top 100 most dangerous cities in the US for per capita violent crime
San Francisco - 57.6% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime
Columbus - 24.1% minority not in the top 100 US cities for per capita violent crime

So just to recap of the 15 most populace cities in the US only 3 are on the top 100 list for per capita violent crime rates and all three have majority white populations. When are the white leaders of America going to do something about the crisis in white America????

Needless to say your premise if false and you are still mistaking correlation for causation.



Look, ace..here are total murder rates from 2000-2010 in the states YOU chose...
Murder in America - WSJ.com

I'm not going to research individual city data for you. This proves my point, however, about minority crime rates and SPECIFICALLY murder rates.

Now make excuses, deny, equivocate, obfuscate, spin, twist...whatever you want..The facts are right there for you.

New York -

9748 murders

black 5745

white (NON hispanic) 3255

hisp 508

unknown 149

Murderers;

black 3883

white 2194

hisp 393

unknown 4298

Los Angeles -

26371

black 7621

white 5480

hisp.11331

committed by;

black 4847

white 5017

hisp 8074

Chicago -

Chicago has already been covered...and we know all about its' crime rate and who is committing them.

Houston -

15807

black 4971

white 4973

hisp 5504

Committed by

black 5071

white 4087

hisp 4744

Philadelphia -

7801

black 4787

white 2269

hisp 624

committed by

black 4206

white 1800

hisp 475

Phoenix -

4940

black 572

white 1970

hisp 2163

Committed by



black 548

white1625

hisp 1482

San Antonio -

We've already done texas

San Diego -

We've already done cal.

Dallas -

Already done

San Jose -

Already done

Austin -

already done

Jacksonville -

Fla data not available

Indianapolis -

total murders 3624

victims;

black 2048

white 1517

hisp. negligible

unknown 43

committed by

black 1443

white 1072

hisp negligible

unknown 1032

San Francisco -

done

Columbus -

murders 5404

victims

black 3156

white 2129

hisp xxxx

unknown 96

committed by

black 2828

white 1612

hisp xxx

unknown 1748
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Link please?

Ok.. I know this trick..no matter WHAT source I use you'll deny and say "nuh uh" THAT source isn't reliable......
Google (or whatever search engine you choose) "FBI top 20 most dangerous cities in america". Take your pick of sources. It's all right there
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

So it's not because of income, and it's not because they're minorities....it's magic!

You decide WHY minorities and particularly negroes commit more crime. Make up any reason you want...but the fact remains that they do. I merely pointed out the facts...The FBI isn't lying
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Again your premise is faulse. You are mistaking correlation for causation.

Safest - Newton, MA median income $109.724 Most Dangerous - Camden, NJ median income $26,347
Brick Township, NJ median income $63,884 Detroit, MI median income $27,862
Amherst, NY median income $87,881 Atlanta, GA median income $49,736
Mission Viejo, CA median income $93.305 St. Louis, MO median income $34,402
Clarkstown, NY median income $56,951 Gary, IN median income $48,393
Lake Forest, CA median income $94,632 Washington, DC median income $61,835
Thousand Oaks, CA median income $100,373 Hartford, CT median income $29,107
Colonie, NY median income $70,389 New Orleans, LA median income $44,086
Cary, NC median income $91,997 Richmond, VA median income $39,201
Toms River, NJ median income $73,796 Birmingham, AL median income $42,934

From the above it would be just as easy for me to state that the most dangerous cities in the US are because they have a median income of less than $50K. The only outlier in that is Washington, DC and if you look into those numbers I am sure the reason the median income is high is due to all the politicians salaries and their hacks are included in that number. That being said I would still be wrong in saying that because that would make the same mistake you are making. I would be mistaking correlation for causation. I can correlate low median income with crime but I cannot prove it is the deciding factor. The same is true with your premise. In fact I think you are a premise in search of facts. You make the facts prove your premise. Your premise is flawed. It is obvious to everyone but those wishing your premise to be true.

doubletalk, excuses and evasion. We aren't talking about income or salaries or politicians or whatever red herring you're trying to use to distract..
The simple fact remains that negroes commit disproportionate amounts of crime despite only being 13% of the population. The FBI isn't lying.
We can do this all day long if you want.You can't debunk facts and reality.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Look, ace..here are total murder rates from 2000-2010 in the states YOU chose...
Murder in America - WSJ.com

I'm not going to research individual city data for you. This proves my point, however, about minority crime rates and SPECIFICALLY murder rates.

Now make excuses, deny, equivocate, obfuscate, spin, twist...whatever you want..The facts are right there for you.

New York -

9748 murders

black 5745

white (NON hispanic) 3255

hisp 508

unknown 149

Murderers;

black 3883

white 2194

hisp 393

unknown 4298

Los Angeles -

26371

black 7621

white 5480

hisp.11331

committed by;

black 4847

white 5017

hisp 8074

Chicago -

Chicago has already been covered...and we know all about its' crime rate and who is committing them.

Houston -

15807

black 4971

white 4973

hisp 5504

Committed by

black 5071

white 4087

hisp 4744

Philadelphia -

7801

black 4787

white 2269

hisp 624

committed by

black 4206

white 1800

hisp 475

Phoenix -

4940

black 572

white 1970

hisp 2163

Committed by



black 548

white1625

hisp 1482

San Antonio -

We've already done texas

San Diego -

We've already done cal.

Dallas -

Already done

San Jose -

Already done

Austin -

already done

Jacksonville -

Fla data not available

Indianapolis -

total murders 3624

victims;

black 2048

white 1517

hisp. negligible

unknown 43

committed by

black 1443

white 1072

hisp negligible

unknown 1032

San Francisco -

done

Columbus -

murders 5404

victims

black 3156

white 2129

hisp xxxx

unknown 96

committed by

black 2828

white 1612

hisp xxx

unknown 1748

I am beginning to think you are purposefully being obtuse. You can quote any statistic you want that states that minorities commit crimes at higher rates all you want. That is a what is called correlated data not causation data. Unless again, as other posts suggests, you want it to be true that blacks are more likely to commit crime just because they are black. This is nonsense. You are the type moron that would state diet cola causes obesity because most people who drink diet cola are fat. Ignoring the fact that people who are not obese are not drinking diet cola because they are not obese. With any statistic there are volumes of data that can correlate to the problem but not be the cause. You want a simple answer due to your preconcieved notions. The only person guilty of double talk or obfuscation is you. Just come out and say what you are alluding to. You believe that black people commit more crime because they are black. It is obvious from your previous posts.
 
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You can quote any statistic you want that states that minorities commit crimes at higher rates all you want.
Correct. The reason is because it is true.

That is a what is called correlated data not causation data. Unless again, as other posts suggests, you want it to be true that blacks are more likely to commit crime just because they are black.
I have never said that. You keep bringing up that strawman argument. Tell ya what...If you find the quote where I said that I'll leave this forum. If no quote exists you leave...want to take that challenge?

You are the type moron that would state diet cola causes obesity because most people who drink diet cola are fat. Ignoring the fact that people who are not obese are not drinking diet cola because they are not obese.

Name calling proves you're losing and know you're wrong but just can't admit it....all this diet cola and fat people is a figment of your imagination meant to divert and distract.

With any statistic there are volumes of data that can correlate to the problem but not be the cause.

For about the 10th time..we aren't talking about the causes...I don't know all the causes and never said I did. I'm ONLY talking about the hard facts that you keep proving you can't deny every time you create another strawman.



You want a simple answer due to your preconcieved notions.
I never asked you for any answers. I have no "preconceived notions". I posted hard, proven facts of minority crime rates.

The only person guilty of double talk or obfuscation is you.
No. I keep telling you those are proven FACTS I posted. No doubletalk there. You can keep pretending not to understand but no one is fooled, I don't think.
Just come out and say what you are alluding to.
jesus h christ..I've said it plainly for the past 10 pages. Negroes commit disproportionate amounts of crime despite only making up 13% of the population.

You believe that black people commit more crime because they are black. It is obvious from your previous posts.

Again...if you find quote from me where I said negroes commit more crime than white people because they are black I'll leave..if no such quote exists you leave...Will you take the challenge?
 
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doubletalk, excuses and evasion. We aren't talking about income or salaries or politicians or whatever red herring you're trying to use to distract..
The simple fact remains that negroes commit disproportionate amounts of crime despite only being 13% of the population. The FBI isn't lying.
We can do this all day long if you want.You can't debunk facts and reality.

The problem is that the reality of today appears to be racist and the left cannot accept this. Over the past few decades, the left has come to blame Black problems on things other than the Black culture itself.. In fact they have actually exasperated them. With that kind of intellectual and financial investment, most of them have difficulty in accepting what's really going on in the country today.

And this is why the problems fester, worsen, and continue. Reality is often hard to deal with, so more palatable excuses for failure are made.

But it is not racist to say there are serious problems within the Black community and that most of these problems can be traced back to the Black community itself. Some intellectual leaders like Thomas Sowell have been saying this for years.

MLK nailed it, and we should all remember his words.

The problem with hatred and violence is that they intensify the fears of the white majority, and leave them less ashamed of their prejudices toward Negroes. ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

The problems are with Black youths, largely undereducated, and we must work to turn that around. And we should also call out Black leaders, politicians, and entertainers who are exploiting their own young people for a profit and power.
 
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Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

It was just on the local news that the old guy was beaten to death with a Mag flashlight. When I heard he was beaten with a flash light assumed it was a Mag but didn't want to say anything until I knew for sure. Point is they didn't break some little cheap flash light over his head, they broke a club over his head.
 
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