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89 Year Old WWII Veteran Beaten and Left for Dead Dies

Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

P. Kersey said:
Do a search and see who owned the slave ships that transported them to the u.s..

..also..how did those africans become slaves in the first place? Who enslaved them?
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I'm well aware of both thanks. I'm also well aware of who usually bought and owned them.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Imnukingfutz said:
It had all the elements of a tragic story, WWII veteran hero, savagely kicked to death by what is reported to be a random act of violence. They did it just because...on the heals of the other three teens killing the Australian baseball player because they were bored. The media should have been all over this story just for the sensationalism.

But it wasnt a violent crime against a minority so over look it as long as you can so you can tell everyone how Oprah says she got mistreated in Switzerland or update some other trivial entertainment story.

I dont care if you are green, blue, yellow, purple with orange polka dots....if you viciously kill someone for no reason, you dont deserve to see another minute of sunlight ever again.
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The Oprah story was news because Oprah is famous. For no other reason than that.

This case began to become interesting after the facts came out and after this poor gentleman had passed away.

It is sad that not every murder victim gets the attention he/she deserves, but with no human interest angle stories like this will never go big in the media.
 
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TiredOfLife said:
I'm well aware of both thanks. I'm also well aware of who usually bought and owned them.
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Let me add this, then.

From the 1860 US census.

28% percent of free blacks living in the south owned black slaves.

Less than 5% of whites living in southern states owned black slaves.

Less than 1.5% of whites in the US as a whole owned black slaves.
 
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P. Kersey said:
Let me add this, then.

From the 1860 US census.

28% percent of free blacks living in the south owned black slaves.

Less than 5% of whites living in southern states owned black slaves.

Less than 1.5% of whites in the US as a whole owned black slaves.
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Fine.
 
Nynaeve Meara said:
Actually its very relevant I can cite quite a few
examples in LA where the majority of the population is white and poor and the crime rate is nearly double if not triple that of south west side Chicago. Since the population in Chicago has a higher income, per avg than in LA, that explains the discrepancy in the crime rates. After all when you are that much poorer the laws matter less, as you have less to lose.
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Lol !!!!

Well then cite away ( really, post data that shows a doubled crime rate ( including murder, in the exclusive white sections of LA ) and no amount of poverty justifies breaking the law.

What you're doing is defining down bad behaviour and choices of a group of individuals. People like you have been doing it for decades and its why those areas continue to struggle.

It comes down to the choices a individual makes, poverty is a consequence of some of those choices and per capita, blacks commit more crime than whites.

That doesn't mean all blacks are criminals and all whites are saints.
 
Superfly said:
Pass. I try not to concern myself with the content when it's such a textbook example of hyperbole. But when you start paying for the site, get back to me. Until then, wasted bandwidth shouldn't be a concern of yours (unless you are trying to find a way to pin it on Obama :lol: )
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Funny, considering Obama is his own worst enemy when it comes to "pinning things on Obama".

All I can do is point out the obvious and multiple malfeasance that has defined his tenure. I mean the place IS called " Political Debate"
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

P. Kersey said:
I never said any such thing or compared inner cities with suburbs or made any distinctions...you made that up. I posted the list. The list is accurate.
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The cities you compared are big cities in one list, and suburbs in another. It's an inaccurate comparison. The fact that you don't know that those were suburbs is not my problem.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

P. Kersey said:
People like me? What kind of person am I and how do I make it "dangerous for young black men to be out in public"?
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In your quote of me, you went back to this post:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ten-and-left-dead-dies-19.html#post1062228537

Now, I challenge everybody to go back to my post and find this sentence:

rocket88 said:
People like you are the reason stereotypes exist that make it very dangerous for young black men to simply be out in public.
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Making stuff up. Not cool. Shows who you are.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Unitedwestand13 said:
But what created that culture?
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LOL !!

Creepy ass crackers....of-course.

I think a more relevant and helpful question is what perpetuates that culture, because I KNOW you can't be blaming the current conditions of places like Detroit on " the man" or "whitey".

Not when other cultures have shown up here without the ability to speak our language ( Vietnamese in the 70's and 80's ) and have managed to put poverty and crime behind them.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Grant said:
If crime was the result of poverty then poor countries would be the most dangerous places in the world. I once stumbled across a small town in Guatemala where people lived in what can best be described as 'mud igloos' painted pink on the outside with the help of some local berries. A big fuss was made over my arrival and I never for a moment felt unsafe.

The USA is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and there are opportunities everywhere, though it seems that many are unable to see them. There is no reason to murder other people because of poverty, not with the amount of food stamps now being handed out to anyone who wants them. The difference between the White suburbs and the Black inner cities is education, and that's where the governments failures have been most evident.
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There's not as much crime in poor countries because there isn't much to steal. In your Guatemalan town, what was anyone going to steal?

You're right about education - rich white kids get a better education than poor black kids. It's not even up to the level of "separate but equal." It's separate and unequal.
 
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rocket88 said:
The cities you compared are big cities in one list, and suburbs in another. It's an inaccurate comparison. The fact that you don't know that those were suburbs is not my problem.
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They aren't "suburbs". They are their own municipalities. They have their own jurisdictions and their own self government.

The fact remains. Majority black cities have the most crime compared to majority white.

I notice you don't even try to address the premise but instead prevaricate and evade.
 
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rocket88 said:
There's not as much crime in poor countries because there isn't much to steal. In your Guatemalan town, what was anyone going to steal?
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In countries like this it is the people in power who steal the most but, in any case, there is always something to steal. I drove through Central America where most everyone was poor but some places I had to guard everything while I gassed up and in other places, even in the same country, I felt absolutely comfortable and the people were more than helpful. That suggests changes of culture, even in areas not far from each other. Such as in suburbs and inner cities perhaps. And 'education', btw, doesn't just mean public schooling. It also means that you grow up knowing the difference between right and wrong.

You're right about education - rich white kids get a better education than poor black kids. It's not even up to the level of "separate but equal." It's separate and unequal.
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Which is why school vouchers would help change this situation.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Grant said:
And the consequences of these poorly thought out programs are in the White House today. The 'affirmative action' programs begun by the Democrats institutionalized the idea that Black people were somehow inferior. This should be a sin against any group of people.
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Absolutely. But I can just about guarantee that any attempt to rectify this awful mistake will be met with cries of "Racist!"
 
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P. Kersey said:
They aren't "suburbs". They are their own municipalities. They have their own jurisdictions and their own self government.

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Yes, most suburbs are their own municipalities. Congratulations on your grasp of the basic structure of government. The fact remains that these are suburbs.

Amherst, NY for instance:

The largest and most populous suburb of Buffalo, New York, the town of Amherst encompasses most of the village of Williamsville and the hamlets of Eggertsville, Getzville, Snyder, Swormville, and East Amherst. The town is in the northern part of the county and borders a small section of the Erie Canal.
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Amherst, New York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know Amherst, my Grandparents lived there. Calling is a suburb is not "evading" it's a simple fact, which anyone who knows anything about it could tell you.
 
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Let me guess these kids are misguided as well?
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

rocket88 said:
In your quote of me, you went back to this post:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ten-and-left-dead-dies-19.html#post1062228537

Now, I challenge everybody to go back to my post and find this sentence:



Making stuff up. Not cool. Shows who you are.
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You're absolutely right. I was mistaken. I was wrong and apologize.

AtlantaAdonis said:
People like you are the reason stereotypes exist that make it very dangerous for young black men to simply be out in public.
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The fact remains, however, that the most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.

But race doesn't have anything to do with it. :roll:
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

rocket88 said:
Yes, most suburbs are their own municipalities. Congratulations on your grasp of the basic structure of government. The fact remains that these are suburbs.

Amherst, NY for instance:



Amherst, New York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know Amherst, my Grandparents lived there. Calling is a suburb is not "evading" it's a simple fact, which anyone who knows anything about it could tell you.
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Ok..play word games...and your condescension in place of meaningful discussion is noted...
again...The most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities. Debunk that.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

rocket88 said:
There's not as much crime in poor countries because there isn't much to steal. In your Guatemalan town, what was anyone going to steal?

You're right about education - rich white kids get a better education than poor black kids. It's not even up to the level of "separate but equal." It's separate and unequal.
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But who's fault is that ?

The "rich white kids" ? The " man " ? Racism ? A lack of money ?

I mean this is the issue, not the fact that there's inequality but the fact that it's existence is blamed on everything but it's actual cause.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Fenton said:
But who's fault is that ?

The "rich white kids" ? The " man " ? Racism ? A lack of money ?

I mean this is the issue, not the fact that there's inequality but the fact that it's existence is blamed on everything but it's actual cause.
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What's to blame is that most states fund schools locally. So the places with higher property values have better schools.

State governments can fix that, but don't.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

P. Kersey said:
Ok..play word games...and your condescension in place of meaningful discussion is noted...
again...The most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities. Debunk that.
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I don't debate that. I said that your comparison is crap. It's not word games to say that suburbs have more income and less crime. It's not word games to say that suburbs are not inner cities.

You can't compare the New York Yankees to a semi-pro squad in Wisconsin. Apples and oranges.

Yes, whiter, richer places have less crime. Your contention is that it's because black people are inherently less good than white people. Prove that it's because of race.
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Mr.Nick said:
Let me guess these kids are misguided as well?
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No, they're inherently evil because they're black :roll:

They are misguided. They think crime is cool. That's misguided, or to put it another way "****ed up."
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

rocket88 said:
No, they're inherently evil because they're black :roll:

They are misguided. They think crime is cool. That's misguided, or to put it another way "****ed up."
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No they're evil because they murdered an innocent person....

This is why I don't rap anymore or even make beats (at least release them).....

Kids these days are retards....

They're too busy self-prophesying....

These kids want a ghetto......
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Moot said:
Poor ol guy. I'm just kind of at loss for words at such senseless violence. Part of me wants to blame and another wants to understand why anyone would do this.
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Understand????????? WTF????????????????????????????????????????????
 
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