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89 Year Old WWII Veteran Beaten and Left for Dead Dies

Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

Moot said:
Poor ol guy. I'm just kind of at loss for words at such senseless violence. Part of me wants to blame and another wants to understand why anyone would do this.
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I find that commendable. It seems if we really want to put a stop to this kind of crime we have to understand the conditions that evolve the behavior. Then, change the conditions = change the behavior. Not to say it will never happen again but understanding is really the first step to at least diminishing it.
 
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P. Kersey said:
You're absolutely right. I was mistaken. I was wrong and apologize.



The fact remains, however, that the most dangerous cities in America have the most minorities. The safest have the fewest minorities.

But race doesn't have anything to do with it. :roll:
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You seem to have lost your way.

The neo nazi message board is over at Stormfront.
 
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AtlantaAdonis said:
You seem to have lost your way.

The neo nazi message board is over at Stormfront.
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Instead of posting an inflammatory insult, you could offer proof that his claim is wrong. I guess you aren't able to do that.
 
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nota bene said:
Instead of posting an inflammatory insult, you could offer proof that his claim is wrong. I guess you aren't able to do that.
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He is just like a layperson arguing with a rocket scientist over an aspect of his rocket's design. Anyone who knows social science understands the racist realities of our justice system these days and how crime statistics get drastically skewed to make people of color look bad. He needs to take a sociology or African American Studies course before opening his mouth on things he does not understand. Same way creationists need to educate themselves about evolution before making dumb arguments.
 
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AtlantaAdonis said:
You seem to have lost your way.

The neo nazi message board is over at Stormfront.
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So anyone who criticizes blacks (or any race for that matter) belongs over there at stormfront?

So in essence no one can criticize anyone who is black?
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
If we understand what makes gangs so appealing maybe we can find a way to make them less appealing.


I just cannot accept the notion that African Americans are some how less worthy of understanding just because they worship gang culture.
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I don't know where anything I said would lead you to construe my words as blacks being "less worthy of understanding".

My point was that understanding is just a first step; the next step requires ACTION. And I firmly believe it is going to have to come from within the black community before there is real positive change. It's going to have to start with the unpleasant recognition that a lot of the woes of the black community are self-inflicted at this point, that if you can't make it today it isn't Whitey's fault anymore, and that this worship of thug culture and disdain for education and conventional success among many is going to have to cease.

I wish I KNEW some way to help make those things happen... but I'm more-or-less white and most black folks do not want to hear that stuff from me. It's going to have to start from within.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
If we understand what makes gangs so appealing maybe we can find a way to make them less appealing.


I just cannot accept the notion that African Americans are some how less worthy of understanding just because they worship gang culture.
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I can tell you what makes gangs appealing in many of the cases. It's the family structure that many of these young men are missing at home. They are largely being raised by single moms, and there is not a strong male authority figure in the home, so they seek that elsewhere, and they find it in a gang. Gangs are largely patriarchal societies, or "families", if you will. These young men need guidance by a strong male role model, and they find it in a gang.
 
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lizzie said:
I can tell you what makes gangs appealing in many of the cases. It's the family structure that many of these young men are missing at home. They are largely being raised by single moms, and there is not a strong male authority figure in the home, so they seek that elsewhere, and they find it in a gang. Gangs are largely patriarchal societies, or "families", if you will. These young men need guidance by a strong male role model, and they find it in a gang.
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Gangs are like tribes, and we are a tribal species.
 
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TiredOfLife said:
Gangs are like tribes, and we are a tribal species.
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Yes, but in these tribes, we need strong males, and they aren't finding the strong male figure at home.
 
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lizzie said:
Yes, but in these tribes, we need strong males, and they aren't finding the strong male figure at home.
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You misunderstand what a tribe is? You see the head but ignore the body. Heads come and go. Meet the new head, same as the old head.
 
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Superfly said:
You know, so many bad things happen, every day, that make me shake my head, and worry about the state of the world. But I have become desensitized to a lot, because it's just so common now, to hear bad news. This story, though - broke my heart. This guy survived World War II, only to be beaten to death in the parking lot, while waiting to escort a friend so she wouldn't have to walk alone. :(
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I know what you mean, but this one pushed my emotional button.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
No they're evil because they murdered an innocent person....

This is why I don't rap anymore or even make beats (at least release them).....

Kids these days are retards....

They're too busy self-prophesying....

These kids want a ghetto......
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You don't rap anymore because of some dumb kids in another city?
 
Re: WWII Vet, 88, brutally beaten in Spokane, Wash.

AtlantaAdonis said:
You seem to have lost your way.

The neo nazi message board is over at Stormfront.
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Can you not debate the point rather than using this tired response? Is the man right or is he wrong?
 
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AtlantaAdonis said:
He is just like a layperson arguing with a rocket scientist over an aspect of his rocket's design. Anyone who knows social science understands the racist realities of our justice system these days and how crime statistics get drastically skewed to make people of color look bad. He needs to take a sociology or African American Studies course before opening his mouth on things he does not understand. Same way creationists need to educate themselves about evolution before making dumb arguments.
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So he is wrong because you have done an African American studies course? I've always been suspicious that these thing were bunk, and excuses for victimhood and anti social behavior. You proved it.
 
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Goshin said:
I don't know where anything I said would lead you to construe my words as blacks being "less worthy of understanding".

My point was that understanding is just a first step; the next step requires ACTION. And I firmly believe it is going to have to come from within the black community before there is real positive change. It's going to have to start with the unpleasant recognition that a lot of the woes of the black community are self-inflicted at this point, that if you can't make it today it isn't Whitey's fault anymore, and that this worship of thug culture and disdain for education and conventional success among many is going to have to cease.

I wish I KNEW some way to help make those things happen... but I'm more-or-less white and most black folks do not want to hear that stuff from me. It's going to have to start from within.
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Change does have to come from the black community itself, and this is what William Raspberry was saying in his 1988 WaPo article "Black America's House Is on Fire." Walter E. Williams, whom I just love, says the same now: Black Self-Sabotage by Walter E. Williams on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent
 
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TiredOfLife said:
Nothing, it's American history. There's not much fine about that.
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It's not "American" history. It's a fragment of American history which was supported by one political party and fought against by another American party. Americans were less involved in the claim you made earlier than you might believe but, in any case, the Civil War was fought long ago and the hair shirts should finally be removed.
 
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nota bene said:
Change does have to come from the black community itself, and this is what William Raspberry was saying in his 1988 WaPo article "Black America's House Is on Fire." Walter E. Williams, whom I just love, says the same now: Black Self-Sabotage by Walter E. Williams on Creators.com - A Syndicate Of Talent
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And the great Thomas Sowell also has a lot to say on the subject. This is his most recent, I believe. Who Is Racist? - Thomas Sowell - Page full
 
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I find it more than just a little ironic that a large number of people in this thread are using this particular crime to make political points. Everything from the "crisis" of the "black" community to pushing for more concealed carrying permits and on to enlarging and hastening the death penalty. I have heard aruments using this case as proof that racial profiling should be used and used more. There are those arguing how black leaders need to change the black community. There are those arguing for quicker/more dramatic use of the death penalty and increased use of police powers to combat this sort of thing. I would ask those making these arguments to remember this the next time there is a mass shooting and not make the argument how the gun control liberals are using a tragedy to make a political point.

The second thing I would ask everyone here is that if this is proof that the black community is in crisis and black leaders need to take action then what about the white community. It is fact that the vast majority of mass shootings are commited by whites and white men in specific. Is the white male community in crisis? What about allowing the police to profile white males in order to prevent more mass shootings? What are white leaders doing to address the crisis among white men?
 
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sawyerloggingon said:
Understand????????? WTF????????????????????????????????????????????
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why??......why?!?......whyyyyyyy?!?!??
 
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AtlantaAdonis said:
He is just like a layperson arguing with a rocket scientist over an aspect of his rocket's design. Anyone who knows social science understands the racist realities of our justice system these days and how crime statistics get drastically skewed to make people of color look bad. He needs to take a sociology or African American Studies course before opening his mouth on things he does not understand. Same way creationists need to educate themselves about evolution before making dumb arguments.
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Are you actually denying that there are problems within the African American community? Continually making them into victims isn't helping them at all you know.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
The poverty rates (percentages) are indeed higher within those racial/ethnic segments of the popualtion, but that is not per capita. Per capita is of the whole or per person.

Per Capita Definition
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Doesn't change what I said or make it any less accurate.

Grant said:
What were these guys desperate for when they murdered an innocent human being? Were they hungry? Had no place to spend the night? You should back up your claim with some facts. I never heard any of those accused say they did t because they were poor. That's just White Liberals speaking for the Black culture.
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When you are desperate you don't care about the laws and poverty breeds desperation.
Fenton said:
Lol !!!!

Well then cite away ( really, post data that shows a doubled crime rate ( including murder, in the exclusive white sections of LA ) and no amount of poverty justifies breaking the law.

What you're doing is defining down bad behaviour and choices of a group of individuals. People like you have been doing it for decades and its why those areas continue to struggle.

It comes down to the choices a individual makes, poverty is a consequence of some of those choices and per capita, blacks commit more crime than whites.

That doesn't mean all blacks are criminals and all whites are saints.
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I said nothing about race in my post, I was strictly looking at poverty rates and Monroe and Alexandria LA both have double the murder rate of Chicago.
 
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Nynaeve Meara said:
Doesn't change what I said or make it any less accurate.


When you are desperate you don't care about the laws and poverty breeds desperation.

I said nothing about race in my post, I was strictly looking at poverty rates and Monroe and Alexandria LA both have double the murder rate of Chicago.
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If poverty was, in fact, "the factor" in predicting crime rates then explain the super high crime rates (or lack thereof) in these poorest areas of the U.S.:

List of the poorest places in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now look at the income statistics for your "poor" areas of LA

Monroe, Louisiana (LA) profile: population, maps, real estate, averages, homes, statistics, relocation, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, moving, houses, news

Alexandria, Louisiana (LA) profile: population, maps, real estate, averages, homes, statistics, relocation, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, moving, houses, news

What pops out, to me, is the combination of both race (black %) and urban having the larger effect on crime, not income.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
If poverty was, in fact, "the factor" in predicting crime rates then explain the super high crime rates (or lack thereof) in these poorest areas of the U.S.:

List of the poorest places in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now look at the income statistics for your "poor" areas of LA

Monroe, Louisiana (LA) profile: population, maps, real estate, averages, homes, statistics, relocation, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, moving, houses, news

Alexandria, Louisiana (LA) profile: population, maps, real estate, averages, homes, statistics, relocation, travel, jobs, hospitals, schools, crime, moving, houses, news

What pops out, to me, is the combination of both race (black %) and urban having the larger effect on crime, not income.
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If you don't think 19K/yr is poverty than you haven't lived in poverty before.
 
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