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Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.[W:123]

Re: Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

Anyone read the information that got leaked?

The diplomatic cables were super interesting. Embarrassing, but they showed that our diplomats are doing their jobs and doing them well. He caused problems with our allies, but there was some benefit in seeing that our people are indeed quite competent at sizing up who they're dealing with.

The war logs and video showed that the American People were being lied to about the course of the wars. The release of actual names was bad though. That should have been redacted before Manning or anyone else released it.

Manning did some damage, but I feel overall, it's exaggerated. He did violate this oath though.

Snowden I feel is going to do more damage. Way more damage.
 
Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

Can someone refresh me on what this guys crimes are that deserves the 35 years?

It seems he just was a whistleblower, I'm just not understanding what more there is to it.

I don't know the details, maybe he released it the wrong way that was criminal... In which case he deserves to go to jail, but I thought that blowing the whistle on wrong doing was like a duty, not something to be vilified?

I think better questions to consider would be; how come there are so many whistleblowers lately? And how come the government is acting to crack down on those whistleblowers??

But, maybe I've just missed the facts of the case that show this man guilty...
 
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obvious Child said:
Anyone read the information that got leaked?

The diplomatic cables were super interesting. Embarrassing, but they showed that our diplomats are doing their jobs and doing them well. He caused problems with our allies, but there was some benefit in seeing that our people are indeed quite competent at sizing up who they're dealing with.

The war logs and video showed that the American People were being lied to about the course of the wars. The release of actual names was bad though. That should have been redacted before Manning or anyone else released it.

Manning did some damage, but I feel overall, it's exaggerated. He did violate this oath though.

Snowden I feel is going to do more damage. Way more damage.
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I read some of the material leaked by Manning. Most is junk, the majority didn't even apply to present operations at the time and other documents had nothing to do with what was going on....

IMO, Manning exposed absolutely nothing useful other than the fact some of our "highly trained military personnel" were acting like cowboys....

The best part is that I don't blame these guys in Iraq for blasting the **** out of areas when everyone and their momma were blasting at them......

Once Saddam was gone we should have packed up and left..... The fact we didn't turned the United States from heros to occupiers really quick and they (Iraqi's didn't like that)....

In short Saddam was a tyrant bully, then we move in and off his ass and his Republican Guard + his military (who surrendered) then we become the bully...

Afghanistan is way more complicated...
 
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I'm good with 35. He was a basket case who never should have been in any branch of the military in the first place.
 
Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

obvious Child said:
Anyone read the information that got leaked?

The diplomatic cables were super interesting. Embarrassing, but they showed that our diplomats are doing their jobs and doing them well. He caused problems with our allies, but there was some benefit in seeing that our people are indeed quite competent at sizing up who they're dealing with.

The war logs and video showed that the American People were being lied to about the course of the wars. The release of actual names was bad though. That should have been redacted before Manning or anyone else released it.

Manning did some damage, but I feel overall, it's exaggerated. He did violate this oath though.

Snowden I feel is going to do more damage. Way more damage.
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Ok, ya, he should have done like the climategate leaker did and edit the emails to eliminate any identification of the leaker.

Snowden however, has really done nothing wrong... Except to let people get an idea of the true scope of information surveillance going on... Oh and I'm sure everyone has forgotten about the "gunshot detecting microphones" that started going up everywhere (to varying degrees of implementation), so, even conversations on the street can be potentially detected... Just saying.

The people doing the damage aren't the people who are disturbed by what they see going on in their daily lives, and feel the need to let people know... It's the people doing the criminal s*** in the first place doing the damage.
 
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notquiteright said:
I recall an Army Infantry plt ldr William Calley- convicted of murder for the massacre of 22 civilians in a small village, My Lai. His sentence of life went to 20 years on the various appeals and clemency boards. he ended up serving 3 1/2 years of house arrest at his quarters in Ft. Benning Ga.

I guess that liberal thing started back then and Nixon was a part of the scheme... :roll:

The military has always been a tough crowd to get heavy sentences. Those who demanded the military try the Gitmo prisoners thought a Military trail would be far easier and more severe... it turned out the military wasn't the bully crowd some congress critters hoped.

I couldn't see him getting more than 20 and like many have said, i doubt he serves even the 7 or so years.
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When I first saw your post, I first thought it was a response to another post on a thread dealing with the Vietnam War under the military forums that is happening right now. I was baiting a liberal without mentioning My Lai or Lt. Calley thinking he would bring it up and I would expose how misinformed (low information voter) he and most libs are.

Do you know why the RVN government refused to prosecute Lt. Calley for murder ? I do.

Do you know why Lt. Calley couldn't be prosecuted for committing a war crime ? I do.

Do you know why President Nixon pardon Lt. Calley ? I do and also the vast majority of veterans ( mostly WW ll vets) and the majority of all Americans back during the 1970's who concured with President Nixon's decision.
 
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In the next 10 years our military will be useless...

Perfect cannon fodder...
 
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I have my doubts about him coming out of prison alive, or at least in a sound state of mind. When he does eventually get released, he will be greeted by many supporters. Ultimately what he did was not that big of a deal. I wished that he released more important info. Snowden is going to blow the lid off this whole war and the tyranny of our government. I can't wait.

What boggles my mind is that people will ignore the reality of the information because it came from a traitor. That kind of nationalism is dangerous to our democracy. If you have a beef with the leakers then fine, but for the love of god take off your blinders.
 
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Erod said:
Prison won't be too kind to that soft, pretty-faced little boy.
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Funny thing about prisons. Even criminals love this nation. He will be many people's toy, if not killed.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
Apparently you don't.......
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Hmmm, let's see how many assumptions follow this up:

What makes you think for a second our federal government has the right to do whatever it wants both foreign and domestically???
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Foreign? The Treaty of Westphalia. Domestically? They can't. Why did you assume I thought they could? Why do you assume they are?

I'm sure you have absolutely no problem with our government spying on US citizens whenever they want without due process as well???
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What do you mean? Storing metadata under a program deemed legal by federal judges? No. Why do you assume that's spying?

If you're so ****ing educated who does our government have to answer to?
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The people, through elected representatives? Why did you assume that answer wasn't readily available to anyone who has a basic grasp of civics?

Lots of assuming in there.
 
Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

Mr.Nick said:
Soldiers and politicians honor the Constitution and that starts with "WE THE PEOPLE" NOT "WE THE GOVERNMENT."

GO learn something - Manning was upholding the Constitution.

You ever bother to think the government IS a domestic enemy??? - It's our government that are violating the Constitution every day.
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Now that's a bag full of Looney Beans...ever think you're an anarchist?

Manning wouldn't know the Constitution if it smacked him in the face- he didn't act out of some patriotic duty and love of country, he acted out to get attention and he got it- 35 years worth of it!
 
Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years.

Mr.Nick said:
I'm sure you have absolutely no problem with our government spying on US citizens whenever they want without due process as well???
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Provide an example of such allegation- and no, you can't just make it up- proof is what I ask for.
 
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APACHERAT said:
When I first saw your post, I first thought it was a response to another post on a thread dealing with the Vietnam War under the military forums that is happening right now. I was baiting a liberal without mentioning My Lai or Lt. Calley thinking he would bring it up and I would expose how misinformed (low information voter) he and most libs are.

Do you know why the RVN government refused to prosecute Lt. Calley for murder ? I do.

Do you know why Lt. Calley couldn't be prosecuted for committing a war crime ? I do.

Do you know why President Nixon pardon Lt. Calley ? I do and also the vast majority of veterans ( mostly WW ll vets) and the majority of all Americans back during the 1970's who concured with President Nixon's decision.
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Status of forces agreement, same reason the Japanese don't get to prosecute sailors/marines who rape little Okinawan girls- if the USofA government doesn't agree the 'host' nation can't try the criminal.

Does the additional charge of war crime matter? Convicted of the murder of 22 unarmed men, women and children. My only question was why only him.

Did you know 5 out of the 6 officers trying Calley were combat vets and voted to convict? Using the excuse that mass civilian murders have happened in the past by our troops, hell go back to Sand Creek and Custer if you want to, but that doesn't excuse what Calley did.

Nixon granted a pardon over the conviction by combat officers due to the very unpopular war going very badly and the fact Calley should never have been made an Officer.
 
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ecofarm said:
Bah.

He will not because that would be political suicide (or at least a shot in the foot) for the dems. The vast majority of the country agrees that Manning committed a crime. It's only a fringe that applauds him.


52% View WikiLeaks Suspect Bradley Manning As A Traitor - Rasmussen Reports™

Pretty much the rest think he committed a crime of some sort. Don't let the loud-mouth US-hating fringe over-represent what Americans think about Manning.
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LOL. Rasmussen is known to be a biased reporter.

Cato Institute, Rasmussen poll results said politically biased

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytime...quinnipiac-surveyusa-performed-strongly/?_r=0

Rasmussen: A pollster made for Fox News | Research | Media Matters for America

So I would take what they say with a grain of salt.

" Rasmussen Reports has done polls that show that the country is split roughly 50/50. Other polls vary but generally show Manning supporters to be between 30 and 50 percent of the US population." (OpEdNews - Article: Americans Expose Their Politics Through Debate Over Bradley Manning)
 
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notquiteright said:
Status of forces agreement, same reason the Japanese don't get to prosecute sailors/marines who rape little Okinawan girls- if the USofA government doesn't agree the 'host' nation can't try the criminal.
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That dirty little secret is suppose to be a secret.

To put it in layman terms, what happens on the "Rock", stays on the "Rock."

Or as liberals/progressives say, it's just one of the consequences of liberal social engineering of the military. If you don't like it, get out.
 
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APACHERAT said:
That dirty little secret is suppose to be a secret.

To put it in layman terms, what happens on the "Rock", stays on the "Rock."

Or as liberals/progressives say, it's just one of the consequences of liberal social engineering of the military. If you don't like it, get out.
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Well Manning Defense team now says they will request a Pardon from Obama.....as they are going to have Manning write him to explain why he did what he did. :roll: Even asking for Time Served. :shock:

Bradley Manning plans to ask for White House pardon.....

Bradley Manning’s defense team plans to ask President Barack Obama to pardon the soldier, who was sentenced to 35 years in prison for giving thousands of secret government documents to WikiLeaks.

Manning’s lawyer, David Coombs, said Wednesday he would file a request early next week with the Department of the Army with the hope of making its way to the president, asking him either to pardon Manning or commute his sentence to time served.


Read more: Bradley Manning plans to ask for White House pardon - Kate Brannen - POLITICO.com
 
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MMC said:
Well Manning Defense team now says they will request a Pardon from Obama.....as they are going to have Manning write him to explain why he did what he did. :roll: Even asking for Time Served. :shock:

Bradley Manning plans to ask for White House pardon.....

Bradley Manning’s defense team plans to ask President Barack Obama to pardon the soldier, who was sentenced to 35 years in prison for giving thousands of secret government documents to WikiLeaks.

Manning’s lawyer, David Coombs, said Wednesday he would file a request early next week with the Department of the Army with the hope of making its way to the president, asking him either to pardon Manning or commute his sentence to time served.


Read more: Bradley Manning plans to ask for White House pardon - Kate Brannen - POLITICO.com
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Manning is going for the whole nine yards. He already had his sentence cut almost in half because he was gay.

It's very likely Obama will pardon Manning in January of 2017.
 
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APACHERAT said:
That dirty little secret is suppose to be a secret. To put it in layman terms, what happens on the "Rock", stays on the "Rock." Or as liberals/progressives say, it's just one of the consequences of liberal social engineering of the military. If you don't like it, get out.
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That disgraceful dirty fact isn't a secret. The Japanese protest every young girl rape. demand the offending sailor/marine be turned over and are rebuffed.

Been going on waaaay before your 'social engineering' so quit blaming it for everything.

Status of forces is no secret.

I do note you have dropped any debate and just fell back to your 'alamo' social engineering position... :roll:

Now my point was the military rarely delivers the max sentence. It also rarely makes a soldier do the entire time. peacetime murder and rape on US soil aside most soldiers get a reduction in sentence sometime along the line. For the military non violent crimes are considered punished more by the BCD than any time spent in a Military Prison.
 
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greyhat said:
Now that's a bag full of Looney Beans...ever think you're an anarchist?

Manning wouldn't know the Constitution if it smacked him in the face- he didn't act out of some patriotic duty and love of country, he acted out to get attention and he got it- 35 years worth of it!
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Fun but don't really care....
 
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Mr. Invisible said:
No he will not as Obama has led a massive war on whistleblowers. (Obama Wages War on Whistleblowers and Journalists - SPIEGEL ONLINE)

The architect of Obama's harshness in regards to whistleblowers has said “My background is in the Navy, and it is good to hang an admiral once in a while as an example to the others." (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/2...d-to-hang-admiral-once-while-as-example.shtml)

So, no unfortunately Manning will most likely not be pardoned.
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Unfortunately?
 
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tererun said:
I do not consider what he did to be a bad thing and actually am glad he did it.
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What he did was illegal and put your countrymen's life at risk.

Shame on you.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
Can someone refresh me on what this guys crimes are that deserves the 35 years?
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Treason.

It seems he just was a whistleblower, I'm just not understanding what more there is to it.
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He took an oath to safeguard the classified information he had access to. Breaking that oath is illegal...and treason.

I don't know the details, maybe he released it the wrong way that was criminal... In which case he deserves to go to jail, but I thought that blowing the whistle on wrong doing was like a duty, not something to be vilified?
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He didn't "blow the whistle" he compromised national security.

I think better questions to consider would be; how come there are so many whistleblowers lately? And how come the government is acting to crack down on those whistleblowers??

But, maybe I've just missed the facts of the case that show this man guilty...
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Yes, you've missed the facts.
 
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mac said:
What he did was illegal and put your countrymen's life at risk.

Shame on you.
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Not to mention he revealed diplomatic cables that contained insulting commentary about our allies and gossip about our allies, which embarrassed us and probably has harmed our diplomatic relations.
 
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mac said:
What he did was illegal and put your countrymen's life at risk.

Shame on you.
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No, it didn't, and that was one of the things the prosecution could not provide a single example of. Shame on you for getting caught up in propaganda and flag waving when the worst that was done to you was educating you on what your government was doing and not telling you like double taps, killing civilians, and killing children.
 
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