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Tea Party Favorite Cruz releases birth certificate

Sheik Yerbuti said:
What's the issue over Cruz's eligibility? Who's making an issue over it?

j-mac said:
Being born in Canada.



Disneydude....


You're welcome...:mrgreen:
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This is your idea of disneydude making an issue over Cruz's eligibility ... ???

"I'm not trying to make an issue of it at all. I think it is just silly. Cruz is a naturalized citizen like Obama and is eligible to run." ~ disneydude​

:lamo :lamo :lamo

You righties crack me up!
 
avery45 said:
It's funny that during the election Romney was made out to be a stuck up millionaire. But the dems must have a short memory because Kerry and Kennedy are/were one to.
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The comment that sealed Romney's fate was the 47% comment. THAT is what made him look like a stuck up millionaire.
 
Grant said:
Hillary and her staff were the first birthers but not affiliated with birthers??
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Prove that either Hillary or her staff were the first Birthers. <Jeopardy theme>
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
No, it's a rabid idiot who insists a notarized birth record that is authenticated by two governors, a director of health, and a state registrar ... is not sufficient evidence.
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And that applies to nobody here.
 
Bronson said:
#smh

Why is it so hard for you have a real adult discussion about these things?

The Tea Party isn't Collective. You made a false statement.
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That was a real adult discussion. The fact you disagree with what I said doesn't change the validity of the argument. Furthermore, I'd argue your entire line of questioning in this thread has been dishonest, as you tried to make it appear as if you were honestly interested in my thoughts, but really you were not, as evidenced by the last sentence you made.

So who here is really the one struggling to have the adult conversation?


The fact is there is a very real "Tea Party" element in this country. For you to deny this is simply silly.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Say what?? His mother wasn't 18??

She was born in November, 1942. Obama was born in August, 1961. Why are so many Conservatives so bad at math??
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Got the age in the law wrong, she had to be 19 by law. By the 1952 law she had to have been living in the US for 10 years, five of which had to come after age 14. So she was eligible to convey citizenship at 19.
 
j-mac said:
There must truly be a gene in liberal progressives that makes them feel like 18 months, 2 years ago, during an election makes their bias claims from back then relevant today...We see this sort of thing in the fact that anything Obama fails at is still Bush's fault some 5 years later...

Disney, you didn't qualify your statement of 50% of the GOP...with 'during the last election', trying to dishonestly give the impression that the Obama birth certificate questioners still give a crap today about that....When asked to provide proof of this, all you can do is pull up polls from 2 years ago, during an election, from biased sourcing....

Your claim is officially dismissed as BS. Sorry.....:2wave:
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LOL....do you have any reason to believe that things have changed substantially? DOH!......sorry.....but if you took the same poll today, you'd get similar results. It are these wacko people that are bringing the good people of the GOP down.


BTW....glad to see that you consider USA today and Politico to be "biased sourcing"....very telling. Seems the only polls that you will view as "legitimate" would be FauxNews or Rasmussen.
 
avery45 said:
NIMBY said:
Romney was a corrupt capitalist.

It's funny that during the election Romney was made out to be a stuck up millionaire. But the dems must have a short memory because Kerry and Kennedy are/were one to.
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sorry ... Kerry and Kennedy demonstrated much more of a concern for the less fortunate (although Kerry was hurt by coming across as cold) ... Romney never got it (and on foreign affairs, other than hiding his money overseas, he was a complete loser and not a quick study) ... Dubya was a millionaire, but people could see having a beer with him .. he was not a Romney either ...
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Say what?? His mother wasn't 18??

She was born in November, 1942. Obama was born in August, 1961. Why are so many Conservatives so bad at math??
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as a conservative once said to me, "There are three kinds of people in the world - those who are good at math and those who are not." ...
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Prove that either Hillary or her staff were the first Birthers. <Jeopardy theme>
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I'll save him the trouble. The correct answer is the first birther claims came from anonymous emails from "supposidely" Hillary supporters. Anonymous emails can't be tied to any specific politician, so there is no way for him to prove his claim. He can speculate, but not prove.
 
jmotivator said:
If Obama filed his birth certificate with his application in 2007 then why did he fight providing it until June 2008?
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look, that train left the station ... the guy is president ... if I were you, I'd start worrying about Cruz being a Manchurian Candidate ... the guy was born in Canada and his father fought with Castro ... he pretends to be an ultra conservative nut to get the GOP nod and if he becomes president he reveals that he is a communist like his dad and we're screwed ... it'll be too late then ...
 
TheNextEra said:
The comment that sealed Romney's fate was the 47% comment. THAT is what made him look like a stuck up millionaire.
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What actually lost it was a number of reasons. One of the bigger is racism. People will not vote for someone if they are black and they will vote for him because they are black. Example Samuel L Jackson said that's how he voted. And Romney couldn't excite the base. So people would rather be called out of work than racist.
 
NIMBY said:
And Kerry and Ted both lost, along with Bain capital. American's have been consistent here. You forgot Dukakis. Not a good night for Massholes. I fixed your quote also.
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Thanks for the correction.

John Kennedy did win and Robert was on his way.
 
avery45 said:
What actually lost it was a number of reasons. One of the bigger is racism. People will not vote for someone if they are black and they will vote for him because they are black. Example Samuel L Jackson said that's how he voted. And Romney couldn't excite the base. So people would rather be called out of work than racist.
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Sorry, but that is a poor excuse. The voting is anonymous and if people were "afraid" of being called racist they could have just voted for Romney and said they voted for Obama. Blaming racism on Romney losing is pathetic IMO.

Romney lost because of his comments and the belief that he would take away social programs that people want. Racism may have played a small part, but not as significant as you are claiming it to be.
 
TheNextEra said:
Sorry, but that is a poor excuse. The voting is anonymous and if people were "afraid" of being called racist they could have just voted for Romney and said they voted for Obama. Blaming racism on Romney losing is pathetic IMO.

Romney lost because of his comments and the belief that he would take away social programs that people want. Racism may have played a small part, but not as significant as you are claiming it to be.
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It plays a bigger role than people want to admit. No other president had the same approval rating with the same economic conditions and got reelected. 1st Bush had an average approval rating around 60 and didn't get reelected. Obama has hovered around 50. But like a said it was a number of factors including Romney didn't excite the base so they stayed home. And I believe his comment about terrorist and Benghazi during the debate was a bigger hit to his campaign.
 
avery45 said:
It plays a bigger role than people want to admit. No other president had the same approval rating with the same economic conditions and got reelected. 1st Bush had an average approval rating around 60 and didn't get reelected. Obama has hovered around 50. But like a said it was a number of factors including Romney didn't excite the base so they stayed home. And I believe his comment about terrorist and Benghazi during the debate was a bigger hit to his campaign.
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No other candidate insulted 47% of the population either like Romney did. Racism was not the reason Romney lost the election. Did it play a part? yes, a small one. Was Romney's comments what hurt him the most? Yes.
 
windowdressing said:
look, that train left the station ... the guy is president ... if I were you, I'd start worrying about Cruz being a Manchurian Candidate ... the guy was born in Canada and his father fought with Castro ... he pretends to be an ultra conservative nut to get the GOP nod and if he becomes president he reveals that he is a communist like his dad and we're screwed ... it'll be too late then ...
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And you miss my point entirely. It isn't whether the guy meets the citizenship requirement, he clearly does. For me it is about how he handled the controversy, and every controversy that followed it.
 
I don't understand the confusion. The President must be a natural born American. Cruz is an American born in Canada. How can that be a natural born American?
 
jmotivator said:
And you miss my point entirely. It isn't whether the guy meets the citizenship requirement, he clearly does. For me it is about how he handled the controversy, and every controversy that followed it.
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I'm not a conservative, but I don't think this guy is someone conservatives want to hitch their wagon to ... even Paul thinks this guy is too far to the right ... at the end of the day, this country seems to be more center cut, with a slight right tendency ... Cruz is too far right .. and when he questioned Hagel's patriotism? That was truly disgusting. Under other circumstances Hagel would've decked his sorry ass ...
 
jmotivator said:
And you miss my point entirely. It isn't whether the guy meets the citizenship requirement, he clearly does. For me it is about how he handled the controversy, and every controversy that followed it.
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There was only a "controversy" in the minds of the fringe right-wing birthers....the rest of the country saw the BS for what it was. It was never a serious or legitimate issue for most people.
 
windowdressing said:
I'm not a conservative, but I don't think this guy is someone conservatives want to hitch their wagon to ... even Paul thinks this guy is too far to the right ... at the end of the day, this country seems to be more center cut, with a slight right tendency ... Cruz is too far right .. and when he questioned Hagel's patriotism? That was truly disgusting. Under other circumstances Hagel would've decked his sorry ass ...
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That isn't a response to what I said, nor a valid argument even on the topic.
 
disneydude said:
The birther crap was in large part based on racism. Sorry...that is just the cold hard fact. Not that all Republicans are racist....because as a matter of fact, I don't believe that most of them are. However, there is a large sergment, namely the hard-right birther wackos who ARE racist. Their BS was grounded on the idea that it couldn't be possible that a person who didn't look like them could possibly be as American as they are...."he must be foreign"....this is the wing of the GOP that is bringing the rest of the part down.
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The "birther crap" was based on legitimate questions about Obama's place of birth, I thought there was really no reason to pursue it, since there is no way it would go anywhere. If you have any "cold hard fact" that it was racist, please show us, because that is a big claim you are making.

Do you also have some evidence that a large amount of people think that only Caucasians are born in the United States? I assume that is what you mean when you refer to as a "person who didn't look like them".

And this is now a "wing" of the Republican Party? Of course, there are no racists that are Democrats, are there?
 
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