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Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry' [W:245]

Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

Sure they are, you just haven't been paying attention. BTW it isn't about drinking or alcohol...it is about our society recognizing that children's brains and judgement therefore are not as developed as adults, so we treat them differently....and they aren't "hiding". The juvenile system has the capacity to deal with these types of behaviors. (although I think the 9 month probation sentence was way to lenient).

And then at age 18, something magical happens: voila! Adulthood.
 
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In most states you don't have the right to use deadly force against a non-deadly attack.
3 on 1 is a deadly attack. And my child is not going down with out doing substantial damage.
I showed my sons where to cut someone to bleed them out. It may take a few minutes, but someone with a cut femoral artery is probably not going to make it.
Or, would you rather those three just been left alone to kill that boy. And dont say they wouldnt or couldnt. They had already broken his arm and were continuing the attack while the worthless bus driver was yelling at them and the other worthless students just sat there like nothing was happening.
 
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Hopefully next time, once the first punch in thrown. He will have a blade on him and start whittlin' away on them animals.

More likely, to prevent a next time, he will not report crime to authorities. After all, he received a severe beating and the perps will get, at most, probation. The lesson clearly learned was that one reports crime to authorities entirly at their own risk.
 
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It is possible that in these boys case it may be possible to turn them around, but while they are incarcerated they also undergo therapy, and do community service in maybe a hospital emergency room, or something to show them the reality of what it is they did to this 13 year old.

Keep hoping.
If by 15 you have that little respect or empathy for your fellow students, you will never have the sympathy it takes to work in a hospital.
Said before, saying again. Within 5 years, these three will be dead or in prison.
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

More likely, to prevent a next time, he will not report crime to authorities. After all, he received a severe beating and the perps will get, at most, probation. The lesson clearly learned was that one reports crime to authorities entirly at their own risk.
So, let the thugs win? Not a chance. I hope he and his family make it a point to make those three's lives miserable. One way or the other.
 
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3 on 1 is a deadly attack. And my child is not going down with out doing substantial damage.
I showed my sons where to cut someone to bleed them out. It may take a few minutes, but someone with a cut femoral artery is probably not going to make it.
Or, would you rather those three just been left alone to kill that boy. And dont say they wouldnt or couldnt. They had already broken his arm and were continuing the attack while the worthless bus driver was yelling at them and the other worthless students just sat there like nothing was happening.

now, that is some unique parenting right there
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

Keep hoping.
If by 15 you have that little respect or empathy for your fellow students, you will never have the sympathy it takes to work in a hospital.
Said before, saying again. Within 5 years, these three will be dead or in prison.

That is a generalization I am not willing at this point to make. If we just give up, (and I can understand that temptation) and say screw it don't look at them individually and make the right call, then we loose I think.
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

So, let the thugs win? Not a chance. I hope he and his family make it a point to make those three's lives miserable. One way or the other.

No, don't "let the thugs win".... But don't label every individual a thug because you are disgusted with the crime....Let's see what is in these boy's heads first, then figure out the right course, although from the limited info we have including the fathers interview so far, I would lean toward adult court in this case.
 
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now, that is some unique parenting right there
It is. Defending oneself is an intrinsic right to all people. Its also a responsibilty of parents to teach their children to defend and when to defend.
We didnt raise boys, we raised men.
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

No, don't "let the thugs win".... But don't label every individual a thug because you are disgusted with the crime....Let's see what is in these boy's heads first, then figure out the right course, although from the limited info we have including the fathers interview so far, I would lean toward adult court in this case.

I think it was pretty clear what was in the boys heads. Violent revenge for being ratted on.
 
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It is possible that in these boys case it may be possible to turn them around, but while they are incarcerated they also undergo therapy, and do community service in maybe a hospital emergency room, or something to show them the reality of what it is they did to this 13 year old.

That, and I really liked some of lizzie's ideas too, such as training and working with animals. I think that teaches kids empathy.
 
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It is. Defending oneself is an intrinsic right to all people. Its also a responsibilty of parents to teach their children to defend and when to defend.
We didnt raise boys, we raised men.

teaching children how to bleed out a human
and being proud of it
disqualifies anything you have to say about the perps' parents' parenting
 
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That is a generalization I am not willing at this point to make. If we just give up, (and I can understand that temptation) and say screw it don't look at them individually and make the right call, then we loose I think.
Its not a generalization. Its an opinion based on the video evidence presented. The determination of the court and the attitude of the "father".
They didnt give the kid a wedgie, they beat him mercilessly and broke his arm.
 
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No one is stating that they didn't understand right from wrong. What I and others are saying is that we as a society recognize that children do not have the same mature mental capacity to make reasoned judgements which is why we don't allow kids to drink alcohol, gamble or vote. It is hypocritical to treat them as if they have mature mental capacity for some things but not others.

Same argument I heard back in the nam days about drinking. "If I'm old enough to fight and die for my country, shouldn't I be old enough to buy a beer?"

I think we all know, and pretty much agree, that punishment for breaking the law should vary depending on many factors, age being one of them. The problem here is, we have 15 year olds, old enough in more serious cases, to be tried as adults, beating the **** out of a 13 year old, who hasn't even started to grow hair on his balls yet.

Now, if the 15 year olds were adult, it would be a second degree felony and rack them up some big years in the big house. No one is suggesting that. But this, "Bad boy! Don't you do this again for nine months or we MIGHT put you in jail," simply is not enough.

Then again, if the 13 year old were my son who was jumped and pummeled, I would be wanting these punk ass pieces of **** to get their head's torn off so I could defecate down their neck. Then I would file the max civil charges I could on the parents.

But if it was my 15 year old "child," doing the "naughty deeds," I would be wanting all the mercy the court could sling his way.

But none of these kids are mine. So I'm going to side on behalf of the 13 year old and wish that the 15 year old's get sent to preparatory prison (a.k.a. juvenile detention,) until they are 18 years old. That's the education these young men need. Because I have a feeling, given their parenting and court coddling, that's where they are headed.

But the prosecution only wants 9 months probation. It doesn't matter what we think.
 
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teaching children how to bleed out a human
and being proud of it
disqualifies anything you have to say about the perps' parents' parenting
So you would just have your kid lay there and take it?
Just ball up in a fetal position and let them have their way and hope they go away?
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

teaching children how to bleed out a human
and being proud of it
disqualifies anything you have to say about the perps' parents' parenting
Oh, taught them how to gut fish and skin deer too. Bad parent bad parent. Hahahahaha
 
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But they are not adults. Just what kind of sentencing do you think they should serve? Do you think they should be thrown into adult prisons?

Might as well give them a head start. They will all probably end up in adult prison before their lives are over, if not the cemetery.
 
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Might as well give them a head start. They will all probably end up in adult prison before their lives are over, if not the cemetery.

I'm quite sure there are plenty of people that were troubled teens who are alive and living productive lives. If anyone is capable of being rehabilitated, it would be children and teens.
 
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Might as well give them a head start. They will all probably end up in adult prison before their lives are over, if not the cemetery.

Thats a guarantee.
 
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I'm quite sure there are plenty of people that were troubled teens who are alive and living productive lives. If anyone is capable of being rehabilitated, it would be children and teens.
Teens that are willing to beat a person like this.
Raised by what we saw of the father.
Given a slap on the wrist.
Selling dope.
Maybe in some polyanna utopia those behaviours can be changed. But here in the real world, nope.
 
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I think it was pretty clear what was in the boys heads. Violent revenge for being ratted on.

I don't disagree, but before we have the consequences of a permanent record, and the possibility of creating a life long societal problem, we need to have the professionals determine if there is a chance that the three could be rehabilitated at this age, but I think that jail time is a must.
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

So you would just have your kid lay there and take it?
Just ball up in a fetal position and let them have their way and hope they go away?

so wise [/sarcasm for those who need it]
that there are only two possibilities as a such a parent:
1. do nothing and be a defenseless target; or
2. do what your dad taught you and cut the ****er so that he bleeds out

rationality is seldom found in the extremes. probably something your father never taught you and certainly something you have not taught your kids ... no, let's teach them how to bleed out a human. who the hell does that?!!!!!!!!!!
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

Teens that are willing to beat a person like this.
Raised by what we saw of the father.
Given a slap on the wrist.
Selling dope.
Maybe in some polyanna utopia those behaviours can be changed. But here in the real world, nope.

The parenting is a problem, I'll concede to that point, but there are plenty of people who had crappy parents and turned out fine too. It all depends upon the individual.

As to your last statement, it's just not true. There are plenty of people who have turned their lives around to become productive citizens.
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

So you would just have your kid lay there and take it?
Just ball up in a fetal position and let them have their way and hope they go away?

So what do we do, arm our 13 year olds with razor knives? Nah....
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

I don't disagree, but before we have the consequences of a permanent record, and the possibility of creating a life long societal problem, we need to have the professionals determine if there is a chance that the three could be rehabilitated at this age, but I think that jail time is a must.

The "professionals" have had a couple of generations to do whatever they can. This is what they came up with.
Entitlement society that has no consequences for bad behaviour.
Until we start jailing for long periods, these type people will not get the message.
Things like this happen, and instead of using them as teaching moments to our society. We blow it off, we cowar in fear of what really needs to happen with these people.
We are not talking about a school yard fight, or some bullying. You cant tell me you saw the video and not thought you saw three people trying to kill someone.
This site is all about "what ifs". So, what if the 13 year old was your boy?
Would you want the system to fail him and pat the perps on the back side and tell them not to do it again?
 
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