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Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry' [W:245]

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You really don't want to know my views on judicial reform. "Get better or get dead" is a critical and pivotal position. If you can't learn how to do something as simple as "not kill/savagely beat people" pretty quickly, we need a quick skimmer of the gene pool to get the floating cockroach out.

Well despite much evidence to the contrary I have more faith than that.
 
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Well despite much evidence to the contrary I have more faith than that.

It would be really nice if faith were the solution, but faith doesn't work very well against violence.
 
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Well despite much evidence to the contrary I have more faith than that.

That's cute. I just want to pinch your cheeks while I read this.
 
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Along with the development of self-esteem, comes morality and empathy. Some of you seem to believe these are separate and unrelated concepts, but they aren't. They are all components of the developing human character.
And the parents are to blame for not instilling those things in to their little thug children.
 
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And the parents are to blame for not instilling those things in to their little thug children.

And? What do you propose to do? Lock them up for being bad parents?
 
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I hate it when I see people post this type of mentality. We treat kids differently because they are different. Why do we not allow people to vote until they are 18? We don't even let grown "adults" drink alcohol until they are 21...why? Because we as a society believe that they are not emotionally mature and capable of making intelligent and rational choices fully until those ages. Yes....kids should be punished for poor behaviors and they should be punished harshly if the crime is serious. However the idea of treating kids as adults in all cases is just a ridiculous proposal.

Huh?

He specifically stated that the kids had committed a violent crime which was altogether different from "skipping school, taking someone's bicycle for a joy ride or bashing in somone's mailbox" and should be punished differently.
 
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Sounds good.

That speaks volumes about your stand on criminal matters and law. Fortunately, most people don't believe that bad parenting is criminal.
 
Correct. This dad should have had his son apologize.

That was essentially one of the things about the entire story which bothered me. I don't want to hear the parent speak for his son, and say that the son is sorry. I want to see the son own up to his own actions, and offer a real apology.
 
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And the parents are to blame for not instilling those things in to their little thug children.

 
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It would be really nice if faith were the solution, but faith doesn't work very well against violence.

That was a cheap shot. You reduced my entire dialogue to a tired cliche. Thanks.
 
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That's cute. I just want to pinch your cheeks while I read this.

I bet you do.
 
That was essentially one of the things about the entire story which bothered me. I don't want to hear the parent speak for his son, and say that the son is sorry. I want to see the son own up to his own actions, and offer a real apology.
Why would anyone believe that the kid is sorry?
 
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Well despite much evidence to the contrary I have more faith than that.

At least you recognize that there is evidence to the contrary. That is a start.
 
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At least you recognize that there is evidence to the contrary. That is a start.

Why are conservatives so cynical? I mean seriously WTF happened to you guys.
 
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Why are conservatives so cynical? I mean seriously WTF happened to you guys.

Life happened to me. I've read far too many new headlines about people getting beaten, raped, murdered, robbed, etc. for absolutely no reason. I'm not being cynical, I'm being realistic. There are dangerous people in the world, and I prefer that they were dealt with accordingly.
 
Back when I was in school I was often the target of bullies. When I was 7 living in Okinawa I contracted tuberculosis and battled it for 16 months which left me smaller than the rest of the kids my age. I didn't start to catch up in size until about my sophomore year in high school, so I have some empathy for the victim here. As luck would have it that was a different time and when the kid who got bullied later caught up with the bullies and beat the Mc**** out of them nobody sued. A couple of them (separate occasions) ended up in emergency rooms. In junior high one guy ended up with a scar he still carries today, in high school I was once attacked by three at once, it took me months to get even with all of them. The last one was the backup center for the football team, so he was much bigger than I was. I put a shoulder in his ribs during a schoolyard football game during the summer after our junior years breaking several ribs and he didn't play his senior year.

I say that to say this: the attackers were juveniles and the consequences simply will not be enough to dissuade them from doing something like this in the future. Perhaps what we need to do is go back a few decades and let these matters work out the way they used to be. The other alternative is to sue the parents of the attackers and hold them responsible, which I don't think is entirely right either.
 
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Huh?

He specifically stated that the kids had committed a violent crime which was altogether different from "skipping school, taking someone's bicycle for a joy ride or bashing in somone's mailbox" and should be punished differently.

Kids are different from adults for the very reason that we don't let kids drink alcohol, gamble or vote - which is, they are immature and do not have the same capacity as adults to make sound judgement. Why would we treat a kid the same as an adult that commits an assault when we as a society have already deemed that kids do stupid things because their judgement is not developed. Punish them? Absolutely Punish them harshly? Absolutely if it fits the crime. Try them as adults? Why? When he as a society have recognized that kids should not be allowed to drink, gamble vote because their judgement is questionable. Otherwise...aren't we being a wee bit hypocritical as a society?
 
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Depends on the school too be honest, I went to schools on military bases around the world and have experienced first hand how brutal kids can be regardless of skin colour or social background.

That's right buddy, all us guys have seen it. Your problem is you forget that usually don't see it, and no one talked about it either. This was caught on video for the world to see. The cat's out of the bag now, and something has to been done. The school bus driver was forced to stand on the sideline and watch. That wouldn't have happened in our day. If a teacher or bus driver was around and able to stop it, they would have.
 
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We do not saddle children with adult penalties in law (generally speaking) because of diminished mens rea. Where teens demonstrate their actions are committed with adult mens rea they, in some jurisdictions, are tried in adult court with adult penalties.

Whatever else they can or cannot do legally at their age is superfluous.
 
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no, this is not about race ... at least until the race baiters show up


i suspect many of us have already formed our opinion based on racist drivel we have seen in posts



I'll tell why there's no talk of race. The 15 year old black perps got out of this alive. If the 13 year old white boy had shot them all, you'd see the Trayvon Martin supporters out on the streets. There is zero doubt in my mind.

I doubt this beating was racially motivated, just like the Trayvon Martin shooting wasn't racially motivated. The race baiting appears afterward by those who use race at every turn to win political points.
 
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