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Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry' [W:245]

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Part of it is that we have taking most of the judgement from judges. I understand why that is, it's a complex issue. But where it comes to violent crime, the judge should be able to decide if they face juvenile penalties or if their actions are so heinous they should face greater consequences.
 
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Yep. Reading is for the mental, I mean, fundamental. ;)

HA HA HA HA... Okay you got me there :).

I like facts, and if people present facts to me like ocean did then I am man enough to admit that I was wrong.

My initial opinion was base off the video I saw. And to be honest, I seen beat downs like this before in schools (of all races). With that being said, I was not aware that the kid was injured and I am a firm believer that the punishment should fit the crime.
 
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Would you not be scared of a homosexual who wants to rape you? Odd...Lol...I can imagine you frothing at the mouth and yelling at your computer screen...

Iam 6' and 215 lbs. And usually armed. So raping me is going to be a tough nut to crack.
 
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If these statements are true then I agree with you. I didn't realize that the kid had serious injuries like a broken arm.

Yes, from the reports I have heard, the victim was seriously injured, with a broken arm and other injuries. From what I gather, the beating was in retaliation for the victim reporting the three, or perhaps one of the three, for having drugs, or selling them, using them, something like that.
 
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The father saying "I'm sorry for what happened to the victim, but that's just the way it is?" What the hell is that?

What would you want him to say?
 
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Anything Asheville and west. I live 70 miles west of Asheville. Never had a problem like this here.


Oh I was picked on by white kids as well and I am white.This wasn't being picked on,this was attempted murder. Its typical in any non white majority area.

Life is good in those hills, but we all know that the movie Deliverance portrayed those more remote areas as being fairly dangerous too. ;)

Obviously crime is higher in certain areas of major cities but that does not justify an irrational fear of all blacks, or mountain folks for that matter. Being aware of your immediate surroundings (situational awareness) is a good idea everywhere, but concentrating only on young black males as a threat is foolish and likely to set you up for being a crime victim anywhere.
 
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Life is good in those hills, but we all know that the movie Deliverance portrayed those more remote areas as being fairly dangerous too. ;)

Obviously crime is higher in certain areas of major cities but that does not justify an irrational fear of all blacks, or mountain folks for that matter. Being aware of your immediate surroundings (situational awareness) is a good idea everywhere, but concentrating only on young black males as a threat is foolish and likely to set you up for being a crime victim anywhere.
So what would you suggest that white kid do? Not only was he younger he was smaller and out numbered by 3 animals intent on killing him...damn near succeeded at that. They need locked away in prison for the rest of their lives.
 
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Cant do it again if they are in jail. And if they beat up another prisoner or get beat up? So what, who cares? Not me.
Make examples of them. Its about time.

A strict punishment causes a deterrent to keep it from happening again if there is barely any consequences for their actions what deterrent is that?


First of all I don't believe that prison is a deterrent and secondly I am certain it does not rehabilitate. Think about it for a minute, does it make sense to take a boy (because these are boys) who were raised in a violent environment and put him in a more violent environment to try to keep him from being violent? I just don't see the logic there and that approach seems to put more of an emphasis on the punishment then the rehabilitation, which is pretty short term and self serving thinking. Chances are that these kids practice violence because they learned that it was necessary or expected, why not teach them something different. Why not arm them with new information and emotional and social tools so that they can have a different outcome in their lives and we benefit by having an individual better equipped to be a productive member of society? I am not saying that they do not need to be punished for what they did, they should be. I am suggesting that we think more constructively about how to solve this problem in the long term instead of make ourselves feel vindicated and stopping at that.
 
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Life is good in those hills, but we all know that the movie Deliverance portrayed those more remote areas as being fairly dangerous too. ;)

Obviously crime is higher in certain areas of major cities but that does not justify an irrational fear of all blacks, or mountain folks for that matter. Being aware of your immediate surroundings (situational awareness) is a good idea everywhere, but concentrating only on young black males as a threat is foolish and likely to set you up for being a crime victim anywhere.

Personally? I'm staying out of the cities, and out of the mountains. Those mountain hillbillies are freaking clannish. :lol:
 
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What would you want him to say?

When the judicial system is done with my son I will by God continue the lesson to ensure he never behaves like a thug again. He could start with that.
 
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I think Robert Heinlein said it best in Starship Troopers, to paraphrase: There is no such thing as a "juvenile delinquent". That is a contradiction in terms. A juvenile is one who is not yet burdened with the duty to follow the code of responsibility, while a delinquent is one who has failed in their duty. How can someone without a duty ever fail at it?

The fact is, these kids did have a duty, and they failed in it. Practically from infancy we teach our kids that you don't go around savagely beating other people. Arguments can happen, and people sometimes fight, but this was a beating. And not only that, but this beating was allegedly carried out as retribution for the victims involvement in stopping a drug trade? Seriously? One could easily conflate the entire scenario as "gang related."

Punish the hell out of those kids. Try them like adults. They performed an adult action and committed an adult crime. If they are just too precious and misunderstood and it's not really their fault.... punish their parents for letting them get like that.
 
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First of all I don't believe that prison is a deterrent and secondly I am certain it does not rehabilitate. Think about it for a minute, does it make sense to take a boy (because these are boys) who were raised in a violent environment and put him in a more violent environment to try to keep him from being violent? I just don't see the logic there and that approach seems to put more of an emphasis on the punishment then the rehabilitation, which is pretty short term and self serving thinking. Chances are that these kids practice violence because they learned that it was necessary or expected, why not teach them something different. Why not arm them with new information and emotional and social tools so that they can have a different outcome in their lives and we benefit by having an individual better equipped to be a productive member of society? I am not saying that they do not need to be punished for what they did, they should be. I am suggesting that we think more constructively about how to solve this problem in the long term instead of make ourselves feel vindicated and stopping at that.

Personally, I'd support the idea of "Boot Camps" for kids like this. A place like a military school, where respect is demanded, and compliance with rules is the standard. A lot of these kids have been allowed to roam the streets for most of their lives, and never learned how to respect anything or anyone.
 
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Typical white person. Gets a little taste of money and success and the next thing you know he's marrying a minority woman and touting her off like she's some sort of status symbol.

Esposa de la trophy.
 
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So what would you suggest that white kid do? Not only was he younger he was smaller and out numbered by 3 animals intent on killing him...damn near succeeded at that. They need locked away in prison for the rest of their lives.

Life for assault and battery, even if you toss in the robbery charge for one of them is clearly excessive. I would recommend a year in reform school (juvenile detention) and hope that those fools learn a lesson about what is acceptable behavior. What I would suggest that that white kid does is not change his attitude about reporting crime, but seriously doubt that will happen after seeing the state recommend 9 months of probation as the sentence for a violent group attack upon him.
 
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You have GOT to be kidding here? The father saying "I'm sorry for what happened to the victim, but that's just the way it is?" What the hell is that?

Sorry, but these kids, all three of them should be charged as adults, and serve time.

What say you?

They'd better not be doin' their business in Florida any longer or they could end up like Trayvon.
 
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I would recommend a year in reform school (juvenile detention) and hope that those fools learn a lesson about what is acceptable behavior.

That sounds about right to me.
 
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Life for assault and battery, even if you toss in the robbery charge for one of them is clearly excessive. I would recommend a year in reform school (juvenile detention) and hope that those fools learn a lesson about what is acceptable behavior. What I would suggest that that white kid does is not change his attitude about reporting crime, but seriously doubt that will happen after seeing the state recommend 9 months of probation as the sentence for a violent group attack upon him.
That white kid got his dose of diversity.He is lucky he didn't die for it...now maybe this will wake him up and let him see the light and get the hell out of that area and into a white area soon enough...that's the one bright light at the end of the tunnel these attacks open the eyes of most victims to the realities of what is pushed on us from the time we are born until we die...DIEversity can really mean you die so others can be included in a civilized society. Hell those thugs will end up in prison anyways...wouldn't surprise me if I see some of them on the first 48 tv show...either as victims or as the criminal who killed someone...they have already shown a propensity for violence.
 
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Would you not be scared of a homosexual who wants to rape you? Odd...Lol...I can imagine you frothing at the mouth and yelling at your computer screen...

I'm not frothing or yelling at all. Those individuals were sick. Believe me...it's a pretty cool and collected condemnation of their actions. A person that would do those things to another person because they were offended they got hit on is just disturbing.

Also...rapist don't walk up and hit on people and definitely not more than one individual that know each other.
 
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First of all I don't believe that prison is a deterrent and secondly I am certain it does not rehabilitate. Think about it for a minute, does it make sense to take a boy (because these are boys) who were raised in a violent environment and put him in a more violent environment to try to keep him from being violent? I just don't see the logic there and that approach seems to put more of an emphasis on the punishment then the rehabilitation, which is pretty short term and self serving thinking. Chances are that these kids practice violence because they learned that it was necessary or expected, why not teach them something different. Why not arm them with new information and emotional and social tools so that they can have a different outcome in their lives and we benefit by having an individual better equipped to be a productive member of society? I am not saying that they do not need to be punished for what they did, they should be. I am suggesting that we think more constructively about how to solve this problem in the long term instead of make ourselves feel vindicated and stopping at that.

1) It's much harder to un-learn a bad behavior than it is to learn one. It's not nearly as easy as "well let's just try to show them the way".

2) Prisons weren't designed to rehabilitate, so your argument is fallacious. Prisons were designed to isolate. They're a place to remove a bad element of society to where it can do little to no more harm.

3) Kids that perform actions like they did in this case are typically unintelligent and incapable of learning from mistakes. This wasn't a borderline assault; they beat that kid like a dog.

I think that most people don't realize that Good Will Hunting was just a movie. Some super-sensitive therapist with a sweater can't talk any street thug into being a redeemable member of society.

Release these kids if you want. Odds are overwhelming that all 3 will be in prison within 3-5 years.
 
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Man you are wasting your time. Ignorance is hard to correct.

Yeah true...I ignored the posts that were just displaying bigotry but just the gross hypocrisy of claiming a group beating of someone is animalistic behavior yet somehow not see the same on how Shepard was treated was just something I had to point out.
 
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Adults, and their sentence was?

Hey, I'm screwing with the Stormfronter.

Those kids deserve punishment. Their race is irrelevant.

I do disagree with applying adult punishments to those without adult rights. But that's a separate issue.
 
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That white kid got his dose of diversity.He is lucky he didn't die for it...now maybe this will wake him up and let him see the light and get the hell out of that area and into a white area soon enough...that's the one bright light at the end of the tunnel these attacks open the eyes of most victims to the realities of what is pushed on us from the time we are born until we die...DIEversity can really mean you die so others can be included in a civilized society. Hell those thugs will end up in prison anyways...wouldn't surprise me if I see some of them on the first 48 tv show...either as victims or as the criminal who killed someone...they have already shown a propensity for violence.

Running away (retreating?) from perceived problems will not likely get you far in life (except farther away). Perhaps when you find that there is no utopia to run towards then you will consider alternate solutions to fleeing ever further from "diversity".
 
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Personally, I'd support the idea of "Boot Camps" for kids like this. A place like a military school, where respect is demanded, and compliance with rules is the standard. A lot of these kids have been allowed to roam the streets for most of their lives, and never learned how to respect anything or anyone.

Is it possible that different kids need different approaches? That what will work with one may actually be destructive for another? From my experience some need a firmer hand than others. Some need new information, guidance and support because too firm a hand is what got them to this place to begin with. It seems to make sense to start with confinement of some type but one that focuses on determining who they are first. Then recommendations can be made. I would suggest involving the parents also, and probation after treatment.
 
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