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Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry' [W:245]

Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

I think all three are necessary (self respect, compassion and empathy) to get where you're going with this. Without compassion and empathy you just have a psychopath. Without self respect you have a perpetual victim. Without any of those you have these thugs.
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

look up the definition of self-respect ... that ain't it.

Noun

S: (n) dignity, self-respect, self-regard, self-worth (the quality of being worthy of esteem or respect) "it was beneath his dignity to cheat"; "showed his true dignity when under pressure"


self-re·spect (s lf r -sp kt )
n.
Due respect for oneself, one's character, and one's conduct.


self-respect
n
a proper sense of one's own dignity and integrity
self-respectful , self-respecting adj


self′-respect′

n.
proper esteem or regard for the dignity of one's character.
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

First of all I don't believe that prison is a deterrent and secondly I am certain it does not rehabilitate. Think about it for a minute, does it make sense to take a boy (because these are boys) who were raised in a violent environment and put him in a more violent environment to try to keep him from being violent? I just don't see the logic there and that approach seems to put more of an emphasis on the punishment then the rehabilitation, which is pretty short term and self serving thinking. Chances are that these kids practice violence because they learned that it was necessary or expected, why not teach them something different. Why not arm them with new information and emotional and social tools so that they can have a different outcome in their lives and we benefit by having an individual better equipped to be a productive member of society? I am not saying that they do not need to be punished for what they did, they should be. I am suggesting that we think more constructively about how to solve this problem in the long term instead of make ourselves feel vindicated and stopping at that.

what do you suggest pat the kids on the head tell them it is not their fault they are a victim of society they are not responsible for their actions and send them on their way so next time they actually kill some one?
The problem we have in prisons we let them loose to mingle with other violent inmates. what needs to be done is one person per cell eat in their cell and 1 hour alone outside for exercise this way they are not influenced by other violent criminals

if they cant be put in a social environment with out being violent then don't put them in a social environment
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

As I said - it's infinitely harder to re-learn than it is to learn.

Could the kids be saved? Quite possibly. Would it be worth our time and money? Probably not. Kids like that are more burden than value, because of the time and effort needed. Some people just cannot be reached...and I think anyone who performs deeds this blatant, violent, and malicious - regardless of age - fit that bill.

Everyone wants to be compassionate and demand it from everyone else. Everyone thinks that it's okay to write a blank check for anyone and anything if it "helps". Eventually, reality and fiscal responsibility sets in and you realize that these kids are probably best off six feet under. Hell, probably the parents too.


Well surprise surprise surprise....we are gonna just have to agree to disagree. Because I do think it's worth it. Think of the ripple effect socially and fiscally and even economically of redirecting one person. Think of the father who does not leave their children, who teaches them responsibility who holds down a job. How much savings does that one successfully redirected person generate within their lifetime alone. Then think about the generational impact of that.
 
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You seem to be confusing love with false pride, which is a product of ego.
... no confusion here ... they've been taught to so love themselves that they can do what they want, that it's cool to do it, and that they're entitled to do it because of their circumstances.
... it's the same mindset that makes Keith Ellison believe he has a right to somebody else's money.
 
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Okay ... so you don't buy the "lacking self-respect" argument? ... fine ... it applies to the "something lacking in their lives" argument as well.
We can just bottom line this and simply acknowledge that they've learned that they can avoid their own guilt by exploiting that of Liberal society.

You are painting with an exceedingly large brush BubbaG
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

Well surprise surprise surprise....we are gonna just have to agree to disagree. Because I do think it's worth it. Think of the ripple effect socially and fiscally and even economically of redirecting one person. Think of the father who does not leave their children, who teaches them responsibility who holds down a job. How much savings does that one successfully redirected person generate within their lifetime alone. Then think about the generational impact of that.

Bullets are pretty cheap.
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

Noun

S: (n) dignity, self-respect, self-regard, self-worth (the quality of being worthy of esteem or respect) "it was beneath his dignity to cheat"; "showed his true dignity when under pressure"


self-re·spect (s lf r -sp kt )
n.
Due respect for oneself, one's character, and one's conduct.


self-respect
n
a proper sense of one's own dignity and integrity
self-respectful , self-respecting adj


self′-respect′

n.
proper esteem or regard for the dignity of one's character.

Right ... the term refers to oneself not actions against others.
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

what do you suggest pat the kids on the head tell them it is not their fault they are a victim of society they are not responsible for their actions and send them on their way so next time they actually kill some one?
The problem we have in prisons we let them loose to mingle with other violent inmates. what needs to be done is one person per cell eat in their cell and 1 hour alone outside for exercise this way they are not influenced by other violent criminals

if they cant be put in a social environment with out being violent then don't put them in a social environment

Can you please stop projecting your limited understandings about progressives all over me.
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

That's called a dialect. Only an ignorant person's mind would be blown. Are you proud of being ignorant? (rhetorical question, by the way)

It is called terrible grammar. Are you defending the use of bad grammar?
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

Actually it's a double negative saying that he son has always been a bad person. Perhaps it's a Freudian slip.

1. ain't
2. never
3. no

triple negative.
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

Bullets are pretty cheap.

Not funny. Only because I know you can do better than that
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

When that is from the parents, what do you expect the child to be like? No matter the color, I have heard whites talk just like that down here.

Race didn't even cross my mind here. The dad could've just as easily been a redneck for all I know.
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

don't just tell us there are lots of things which could be done
tell us what specific conditions should be imposed on the perps to turn their lives around

What lizzie said sounds good to me. Community service that matters, not just picking up trash or whatever job they might have them do.
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

A negative times an odd number is still negative. A triple negative doesn't change the meaning, while a double negative does. Mind thoroughly blown.

Yes I know math. But its still bad grammar.
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

You are painting with an exceedingly large brush BubbaG

That brush had to be large because it was designed to cover an entire segment of the population but it isn't my brush that painted that segment.
What has been happening for decades has given birth to the kind of behavior on that bus.
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

while it may be ebonic usage, we know what he meant

Of course we did. It is just terrible grammar.
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

Right ... the term refers to oneself not actions against others.

Yes, and if one has real self-respect, his actions will not be destructive to others. Did you miss the part about dignity and actions?
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

Not funny. Only because I know you can do better than that

You really don't want to know my views on judicial reform. "Get better or get dead" is a critical and pivotal position. If you can't learn how to do something as simple as "not kill/savagely beat people" pretty quickly, we need a quick skimmer of the gene pool to get the floating cockroach out.
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

1. ain't
2. never
3. no

triple negative.

I was one negative short. My bad. Thanks for the info!
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

I am 6' and 215 lbs. And usually armed. So raping me is going to be a tough nut to crack.

No problem. I am 5'2" and 110 lbs. And usually armed with a six-pack and roofies. I'll have you purring in minutes, Chunky!
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

Yes I know math. But its still bad grammar.

Not necessarily in that dialect. In the south-western English dialects the first person singular of the verb To Be, is 'be'. It sounds funny to everyone else, "I be gurt happy to meet ee", (think Long JohnSilver) but it's quite correct in that dialect. It's only bad Standard English grammar.
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

Yes, and if one has real self-respect, his actions will not be destructive to others. Did you miss the part about dignity and actions?
How about some morality and empathy? Is that too much to ask?
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

"My son ain't never been no bad person. Holy****. That's like a triple negative right there. Mind blown.

The meaning was clear enough, his previously "good boy" beat the tar out of a younger child but wishes it to be viewed as a first offense. ;)
 
Re: Father of teen charged in Florida school bus beating says son is 'sorry'

How about some morality and empathy? Is that too much to ask?

Along with the development of self-esteem, comes morality and empathy. Some of you seem to believe these are separate and unrelated concepts, but they aren't. They are all components of the developing human character.
 
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