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Why Hillary Clinton is going after voter ID laws?

She hoping to dig up Vince Foster and get his vote.
 
Grant said:
This is what happens with propaganda and you should be very suspicious of sound bites and taking your cue from them.

I do not know if you are a propagandist or a victim of propaganda but at this point I suppose it really doesn't matter.

Here is the speech you referred to and the subject is quite different from what you claim it to be. I had never heard of this guy before but he did have influence, though not in the way you suggest in your five second clip.

Here is the full transcript of what he said. If you want to be honest, you should read it. Disagree with the man, by all means, but don't misrepresent or mislead. As you may or may not know, the speech was all about ACORN.

A National Plague of Unlawful Voting - Paul Weyrich - Page full
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When accusing someone of buying into propogandha... one should be very concerned with their own accuracy.

Grant said:
Here is the full transcript of what he said.
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The article you linked to was written by Paul Weyrich in 2008. My video I linked to was him speaking in 1980. That's about three decades earlier. Therefore what you provided was NOT the text of the speech he was giving in that video. Also, with the video being a thirty second uncut portion of his speech... that kind of obliterates your notion that I took a snippet of a soundbyte.
 
poweRob said:
Did you even read what I wrote? I didn't even mention voter ID. I wrote about shutting down early voting. So that comment was you arguing with yourself.
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Regardless, you repeating a false narrative that the Democrats are trying to use to categorize their opponents. That they supposedly don't want black folks to vote. I think it's a bit ironic don't you ?



poweRob said:
The don't participate in political organized events for one party. They go to vote for whomever they want. Now if you want to talk about disbanning tax exempt status for all churches... then you are preaching to the choir. I'm all about that.
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Lol...yea right. Black churches are organizing politically to support Republicans......Lol. It just sounds funny.



poweRob said:
I don't know if you know this but you have a habit of replying to peoples' posts without even addressing that person's post. It's bizarre in that it seems to happen a lot.
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I think it's a relevant issue, the Clintons using their Altruistic motivations and their organization to rake in the dough. It's typical of people like them, two faced, hypocrites who's ultimate motivations is to get rich doing.....nothing.
 
When accusing someone of buying into propogandha... one should be very concerned with their own accuracy.
The article you linked to was written by Paul Weyrich in 2008. My video I linked to was him speaking in 1980. That's about three decades earlier. Therefore what you provided was NOT the text of the speech he was giving in that video. Also, with the video being a thirty second uncut portion of his speech... that kind of obliterates your notion that I took a snippet of a soundbyte.
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Did you read his article about goo goo government??

It was a soundbite!! The rest is just commentary. Do you have his entire speech rather than a soundbite?? Context for example?
 
Fenton said:
Regardless, you repeating a false narrative that the Democrats are trying to use to categorize their opponents. That they supposedly don't want black folks to vote. I think it's a bit ironic don't you ?
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Really? False narrative? I gave you a direct quote from a tea party leader saying exactly that and you are here claiming that no one from the right actually believes it? too damn funny. You just keep believing that people didn't say what they said even when shown directly to you.

Fenton said:
Lol...yea right. Black churches are organizing politically to support Republicans......Lol. It just sounds funny.
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They are organizing people to vote. Nothing wrong or illegal with that. Who the individual votes for after that is their business. Until you prove that they are directed to vote for someone specific, you have no ground to stand on. Not to mention that you never mention right wing church goers flaunting this tax-exempt church status you now seem to cherish. Get back to me when you've educated yourself about "Pulpit Freedom Sunday."

Let me clear up an obvious delusion you are having... It's not the public's responsibility to appeal to the politician. It's the politician's job to appeal to the public. Once you understand that, you begin to realize how you don't make any sense.
 
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poweRob said:
Really? False narrative? I gave you a direct quote from a tea party leader saying exactly that and you are here claiming that no one from the right actually believes it? too damn funny. You just keep believing that people didn't say what they said even when shown directly to you.
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He is not the GOP, nor was the other speaker you referred to for that matter, and here is where he clarified his meaning.
“What I meant, and should have said, is that it is not, in my personal opinion, in the interests of the Republican Party to spend its own time and energy working to generally increase the number of Democratic voters at the polls, and at this point in time, nine of every ten African American voters cast their votes for the Democratic Party.”
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http://freakoutnation.com/2013/06/0...lican-party-doesnt-want-black-people-to-vote/
 
Yeah. I too recommend back-pedaling when you done ****ed up.

Idiots.
 
I do not get what the problem is with needing ID to vote. First off, if no one has caught on to the weakness that would allow for voter fraud and done it yet they will eventually. The reality is that people should have ID. The only problem i have with these laws is being introduced too close to the election to allow for time for people to get the ID, and if they are introduced in stealth so as not to warn people to be prepared to have ID. I do not get why it is so hard for people to get ID.

If it is really that much of a problem then give the IDs out. This is not an expensive proposition considering most people have ID, and they are pretty cheap to make. If it is a problem start up a PAC to get people IDs to make their lives easier in so many ways. This just simply is not expensive and hard. Non-driver IDs are cheap and require little administration to get. You need some momo to type in the info, check any other forms of ID they need to, and take a picture. You do not need to check insurance, driving record, have a test, or any of the other things you need for a drivers license. The great thing is that you can register to vote when you get your ID in many places so you kill two birds with one stone. If the republicans are truly doing this to screw over voters then beat them at their own game and take away the weapon by getting people IDs. Help people instead of whining and promoting laziness and stupidity by helping people to avoid getting something that really is a necessity in many cases outside of voting.

There are much bigger issues of gerrymandering the republicans use to keep their districts. This simply is not terrible to do. Yes, I understand the reps are doing this because they are trying to keep people from voting, but even though their reasons are wrong it is the right thing to encourage people to do. If a person cannot get off their ass to get an ID then they probably are not going to get off their ass to vote anyway. If you get people IDs you fix the problem and then you do not have to worry about it anymore.

maybe someone can tell me a good reason a person of voting age would not have an ID.
 
Grant said:
That is, allegedly, one House Republican whose name you omit. It is not the GOP.
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He's the Republican House Leader Mike Turzai from Pennsylvania. He mentioned it on state at the Republican State Committee meeting and it was widely reported so it's not "allegedly".

Mike Turzai: Voter ID helps GOP win state - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com

Pro-Second Amendment? The Castle Doctrine, it’s done. First pro-life legislation – abortion facility regulations – in 22 years, done. Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done,” Turzai said at Saturday’s Republican State Committee meeting, according to PoliticsPA.com.
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Yes...it's just coincidence that the laws adversely impact groups that vote for the Democratic Party.
 
iliveonramen said:
He's the Republican House Leader Mike Turzai from Pennsylvania. He mentioned it on state at the Republican State Committee meeting and it was widely reported so it's not "allegedly".

Mike Turzai: Voter ID helps GOP win state - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com



Yes...it's just coincidence that the laws adversely impact groups that vote for the Democratic Party.
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Yes of course voter ID and reasonable early voting rules will help the GOP.

Eliminating voter fraud will prevent phony and illegal votes from going to the Democrats.

People that don't trust or place high value in democracy don't place much emphasis on one person, one vote.
 
iliveonramen said:
He's the Republican House Leader Mike Turzai from Pennsylvania. He mentioned it on state at the Republican State Committee meeting and it was widely reported so it's not "allegedly".

Mike Turzai: Voter ID helps GOP win state - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com

I was referring to another post.

You seem to think that it's voter suppression that when ID Laws are put into effect votes for the Democrats go down. Is that true?
Yes...it's just coincidence that the laws adversely impact groups that vote for the Democratic Party.
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No, it's no coincidence. DEMOCRATS Arrested and/or Convicted of Voter Fraud | UnPoliticallyCorrect's Blog
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ItAin'tFree said:
Yes of course voter ID and reasonable early voting rules will help the GOP.

Eliminating voter fraud will prevent phony and illegal votes from going to the Democrats.

People that don't trust or place high value in democracy don't place much emphasis on one person, one vote.
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Whatever you need to tell yourself.
 
Grant said:
iliveonramen said:
He's the Republican House Leader Mike Turzai from Pennsylvania. He mentioned it on state at the Republican State Committee meeting and it was widely reported so it's not "allegedly".

Mike Turzai: Voter ID helps GOP win state - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com

I was referring to another post.

You seem to think that it's voter suppression that when ID Laws are put into effect votes for the Democrats go down. Is that true?


No, it's no coincidence. DEMOCRATS Arrested and/or Convicted of Voter Fraud | UnPoliticallyCorrect's Blog
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Sure....out of the 100's of millions of ballots cast since 2008 you find a handful of cases, definitely a good reason for millions of individuals to jump through additional hoops.
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iliveonramen said:
Grant said:
Sure....out of the 100's of millions of ballots cast since 2008 you find a handful of cases, definitely a good reason for millions of individuals to jump through additional hoops.
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I didn't have to do much searching. But it is clear there is voter fraud going on, often by party leaders, and a lot of it could be prevented by supplying Identity cards. Why not take the precaution? And what 'additional hoops' are you referring to? An ID card?

As long as these 'additional hoops' apply to everyone there doesn't appear to be any threat to democracy. But illegal voting could certainly be a threat.
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Grant said:
I didn't have to do much searching. But it is clear there is voter fraud going on, often by party leaders, and a lot of it could be prevented by supplying Identity cards. Why not take the precaution? And what 'additional hoops' are you referring to? An ID card?
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How will the supplying of Identity cards help? It dealt with absentee ballots and fraud taking place after the ballots have been case. There's not one case there that would of been stopped due to an ID card. Which goes back to something I told someone else (believe in another thread). If someone is going to commit voter fraud on a scale that will sing an election it won't be someone going from voting booth to voting booth pretending they are different people. It's going to be someone tossing out thousands of cast ballots. The biggest case of voters votes not counting were hanging chads and butterfly ballots in 2000. That may have (I'm not saying it did) swung an election far beyond a handful of cases.

That blog you linked to does the searches for you. You also don't have to do much searching to find the total amount of cases prosecuted or even charged for voting fraud. It's less than a hundred for like 10 years.

As long as these 'additional hoops' apply to everyone there doesn't appear to be any threat to democracy. But illegal voting could certainly be a threat
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You can pass almost any legislation for what can "certainly be a threat". For example...the fact that a few shooters every year are mentally deranged could be a reason you could pass that every gun owners has to go through a psychological evaluation and check up every X number of years to retain their gun license. There you go....a law that adds additional hoops, but is certainly a threat. you're not outlawing the use of guns but you sure do create a large burden on gun owners in order to get and retain their license. That also would apply to everyone.
 
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