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Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

Okay, I'll bite again. Are we still shedding 4.4 million private-sector jobs in 6 short months such as at the end of Bush's term. Talk about losing tax revenue and the deficit. And of course the interest on all encumbered TAD is Obama's fault. I get it.
Conservative said:
added 6.3 trillion to the debt in less than 5 years
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and has almost 50 million Americans on food stamps. Those numbers are July 2013 so you tell me how he is doing? Everyone of those numbers is worse than Bush's
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What % increase for Obama in food stamps, especially for the Bush job-loss plunge? And compared to the % population growth? You don't have to.
 
NIMBY said:
Impressive--I take it as a compliment that you would speak with me. Sincerely.

I am not an economic expert, as Boehner as admitted many times. I always want to learn. It isn't all Obama or Dem that is the problem. I see things as better since 2008.
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Apparently you have such low expectations, mine are much higher. We deserve better out of 6.3 trillion added to the debt. Can you not see what a failure Obama is. His first action as President was a stimulus program that didn't stimulate anything but debt and I showed you the numbers. When the stimulus failed what did Obama do next, Obamacare. Does that make any sense to you. How does Obamacare put people back to work? Why would any small business owner hire anyone not knowing the cost?
 
NIMBY said:
Okay, I'll bite again. Are we still shedding 4.4 million private-sector jobs in 6 short months such as at the end of Bush's term. Talk about losing tax revenue and the deficit. And of course the interest on all encumbered TAD is Obama's fault. I get it.

What % increase for Obama in food stamps, especially for the Bush job-loss plunge? And compared to the % population growth? You don't have to.
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Yes, we lost jobs under a Democrat Controlled Congress yet you blame it on Bush, that is civics challenged. Tax revenue is up and setting records, what isn't being collected are taxes from the 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers. Do you know what a discourage worker is? See if you can figure it out and then let me know how discouraged workers affect the unemployment rate? We have a spending problem and an unemployment problem not a revenue problem

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNU05026645
Not Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Unadj) Not in Labor Force, Searched For Work and Available, Discouraged Reasons For Not Currently Looking
Labor force status: Not in labor force
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Job desires/not in labor force: Want a job now
Reasons not in labor force: Discouragement over job prospects (Persons who believe no job is available.)
Years: 2002 to 2012

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2002 328 375 330 320 414 342 405 378 392 359 385 403
2003 449 450 474 437 482 478 470 503 388 462 457 433
2004 432 484 514 492 476 478 504 534 412 429 392 442
2005 515 485 480 393 392 476 499 384 362 392 404 451
2006 396 386 451 381 323 481 428 448 325 331 349 274
2007 442 375 381 399 368 401 367 392 276 320 349 363
2008 467 396 401 412 400 420 461 381 467 484 608 642
2009 734 731 685 740 792 793 796 758 706 808 861 929
2010 1065 1204 994 1197 1083 1207 1185 1110 1209 1219 1282 1318
2011 993 1020 921 989 822 982 1119 977 1037 967 1096 945
2012 1059 1006 865 968 830 821 852 844 802 813 979 1068
2013 804 885 803 835 780 1027 988
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Please let me now when Bush had over a million discouraged workers who are unemployed but not counted as unemployed?
 
Conservative said:
Were you this excited when Bush had 52 straight months of private sector job growth and what does that really matter since there are 2 million fewer people employed today than when the recession began?
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Therefore, more people are working now than at the end of the Bush/Cheney depression. I agree. Don't you love the bar graph showing Bush's jobs at the and Obama's for 5 years.
 
Boo Radley said:
You may want to read it all together. You clearly don't know what I'm saying.
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Nah, I got it right...Maybe you should articulate your positions better.

Not only that, it wasn't in response to you
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You posted it on an open message board, so I responded...If you want a private conversation, then use the button.

so he you were joking comment suggests your misreading my be because you mistook it as a reply to you.
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No, I mistook nothing...see, I can always tell with you when I get it right on the money Joe, because you start in with the misspellings, and broken typing...Next you'll blame it on your I-pad or something....WRONG AGAIN! :doh :lamo
 
NIMBY said:
Therefore, more people are working now than at the end of the Bush/Cheney depression. I agree. Don't you love the bar graph showing Bush's jobs at the and Obama's for 5 years.
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Bush/Cheney depression? LOL, how that really is funny and sad. Here are the employment numbers

Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
Original Data Value

Series Id: LNS12000000
Seasonally Adjusted
Series title: (Seas) Employment Level
Labor force status: Employed
Type of data: Number in thousands
Age: 16 years and over
Years: 1980 to 2011

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
2001 137778 137612 137783 137299 137092 136873 137071 136241 136846 136392 136238 136047
2002 135701 136438 136177 136126 136539 136415 136413 136705 137302 137008 136521 136426
2003 137417 137482 137434 137633 137544 137790 137474 137549 137609 137984 138424 138411
2004 138472 138542 138453 138680 138852 139174 139556 139573 139487 139732 140231 140125
2005 140245 140385 140654 141254 141609 141714 142026 142434 142401 142548 142499 142752
2006 143150 143457 143741 143761 144089 144353 144202 144625 144815 145314 145534 145970
2007 146028 146057 146320 145586 145903 146063 145905 145682 146244 145946 146595 146273
2008 146397 146157 146108 146130 145929 145738 145530 145196 145059 144792 144078 143328
2009 142187 141660 140754 140654 140294 140003 139891 139458 138775 138401 138607 137968
2010 138500 138665 138836 139306 139340 139137 139139 139338 139344 139072 138937 139220
2011 139330 139551 139764 139628 139808 139385 139450 139754 140107 140297 140614 140790
2012 141608 142019 142020 141934 142302 142448 142250 142164 142974 143328 143277 143305
2013 143322 143492 143286 143579 143898 144058 144285
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Obama had trillion dollar deficits each year in office for those numbers and there are two million less working today than when the recession began. If you spend 842 billion dollars on a stimulus program and get these numbers you would be fired and deserved to be fired.

In addition there is population growth but stagnant economic growth
 
j-mac said:
Nah, I got it right...Maybe you should articulate your positions better.



You posted it on an open message board, so I responded...If you want a private conversation, then use the button.



No, I mistook nothing...see, I can always tell with you when I get it right on the money Joe, because you start in with the misspellings, and broken typing...Next you'll blame it on your I-pad or something....WRONG AGAIN! :doh :lamo
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Well, than you've miss read twice today. Three times is you count the Kaboom when someone else misread.

But I have no trouble with you joining in. But when your response seems to be to something else, and you say you were joking, well one has to question what you're talking about.
 
Do you take credit for any Bush numbers that are bad? Or is that any bad numbers that are Bush? Can you really show that a Feb. 2007 and on Dem. Congress without a filibuster-proof Senate could cause all that damage?
Conservative said:
Yes, we lost jobs under a Democrat Controlled Congress
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Conservative said:
Obama had trillion dollar deficits each year in office for those numbers and there are two million less working today than when the recession began. If you spend 842 billion dollars on a stimulus program and get these numbers you would be fired and deserved to be fired.

In addition there is population growth but stagnant economic growth
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You'd have a trillion dollar deficit in your first real budget, your second full year, if the last guy lost 4.4 million jobs for ya in his last 6 months.
 
Conservative said:
and there are two million less working today than when the recession began.
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I agree that we have well over 2.5 million more private sector jobs with few dips than we did at the beginning of your recession. Too bad we had to have close to a million public sector jobs needlessly choked out.
 
Conservative said:
Unfortunately to a lot of people the "D" stands for dependence created by the politicians that have a "D" after their name. Too bad you cannot see that. I grew up supporting the "D" candidates until I realized that all that spending in the name of compassion was being wasted and spent on everything other than compassionate programs. The only compassion generated was for the politicians who bought votes.
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Some D's are still like that. Jessie Jackson, the felon, is a prime example. Hard to argue on the people's behalf when we see scum like that getting reelected by a wide margin.
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, than you've miss read twice today. Three times is you count the Kaboom when someone else misread.

But I have no trouble with you joining in. But when your response seems to be to something else, and you say you were joking, well one has to question what you're talking about.
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You're just not that clever Joe...sorry....nite now.
 
j-mac said:
You're just not that clever Joe...sorry....nite now.
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Not trying to be. I just want you to address what is actually said. I don't think it's too much to ask.

But sleep well.
 
NIMBY said:
My gut says no on Hillary, throwing the whole thing wide open, especially for CC. This religion you speak of has taken over the whole show west of the Keystone states. For example, Mormon inroads are turning Oregon to light blue and soon to toss-up. All other western states are influenced, as with Prop 8.
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Oregon and wacky cults seem to go together.
 
Diogenes said:
Not the brown skins - that's what liberals do, judge people by skin color. Instead, neutralize the nutcases that want to impose Sharia law. Like MLK proposed, judge them by the content of their character (or lack thereof).
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On reason I don;t much mind the eavesdropping is that we should give people rope until they start talking about blowing stuff up or shooting people dead. My understanding is that the Fort Hood nut, an American born Citizen, was talking crazy stuff long before he went off. I'm not sure about the brothers Tsanaev. If there were warning signs before the Marathon bombing, I am not aware of them. Either way, if NSA wants to read my mail sniffing for bomb plots, of I'm keeping in touch with crazies in Yemen or speaking with others who are, then I'm cool with it.
 
Jackson's district is one known as a minority/majority district. Illinois Dems are just as crooked as Texas Repubs when it comes to Gerry-mandering. We only have half as many reps as they do. And there are twice as many bad Red remaps compared to Blue ones.
calamity said:
Some D's are still like that. Jessie Jackson, the felon, is a prime example. Hard to argue on the people's behalf when we see scum like that getting reelected by a wide margin.
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Misterveritis said:
Who would that be? Do you mean the Mistake? He is 1/6th black, 1/6th white and 2/3rds red.
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And, you are not making sense. Explain to us how Obama is "Red". From his nomination of Tim Geithner and Tom Vilsak to his bailing out the money people at AIG, BOA and GM--not to mention the gift he gave the insurance companies---he seems like your standard pro-corporate politician to me, no different than the others who came before him.
 
NIMBY said:
Do you take credit for any Bush numbers that are bad? Or is that any bad numbers that are Bush? Can you really show that a Feb. 2007 and on Dem. Congress without a filibuster-proof Senate could cause all that damage?
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Yes, I blame Bush for a lot of things but none of them led to the crash of 2008 and certainly nothing Bush did generated the terrible recovery we have today. Please take a civics course now that you are retired
 
NIMBY said:
You'd have a trillion dollar deficit in your first real budget, your second full year, if the last guy lost 4.4 million jobs for ya in his last 6 months.
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The Bush budget for 2009 was never signed and approved until Obama signed it in 2009 and that was after adding the ARRA to it along with the GM/Chrysler takeover, the Afghanistan supplementals, and recycling of TARP repayments. The Bush budget had a 450 billion or so deficit. You really need to pay closer attention to what actually happened and stop buying the liberal spin.
 
NIMBY said:
I agree that we have well over 2.5 million more private sector jobs with few dips than we did at the beginning of your recession. Too bad we had to have close to a million public sector jobs needlessly choked out.
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So you give Obama credit for cutting state and local government jobs? You actually taught our kids?
 
So you say that Bush is not responsible for the crash of 2008. It is out there. Obama has a terrible recovery after less than 5 years and he is not be given the last 3 + years in your mind or a non-sabotaging GOP from the beginning. Check. And shove your civics class.
Conservative said:
Yes, I blame Bush for a lot of things but none of them led to the crash of 2008 and certainly nothing Bush did generated the terrible recovery we have today. Please take a civics course now that you are retired
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Never be honest to a sleazy conservative who looks in one direction for blame.
Conservative said:
So you give Obama credit for cutting state and local government jobs? You actually taught our kids?
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Conservative said:
The Bush budget for 2009 was never signed and approved until Obama signed it in 2009 and that was after adding the ARRA to it along with the GM/Chrysler takeover, the Afghanistan supplementals, and recycling of TARP repayments. The Bush budget had a 450 billion or so deficit. You really need to pay closer attention to what actually happened and stop buying the liberal spin.
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Therefore Bush had only 7 budgets in 8 years and gets to dodge the last one since McCain hit the pause button. Got it. I get your thinking that Obama should have to have five deficits in 4 years. Now, back to that private-sector job bar graph.
 
Noone should have been able to cause this disaster. It lies with the GOP House, the worst in modern times with the greatest filibusters in our history. We get it.
Conservative said:
So you give Obama credit for cutting state and local government jobs? You actually taught our kids?
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NIMBY said:
Noone should have been able to cause this disaster. It lies with the GOP House, the worst in modern times with the greatest filibusters in our history. We get it.
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Please don't tell us that you are yet another "Centrist" with a 'it's all repubs fault' attitude....Those reps were elected to do exactly what they are doing. Now unless you think that everyone in office should bow to the whims of King Obama, and his court jesters Reid, and Pelosi.
 
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