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Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

What is amazing is that we have a 17 trillion dollar debt, debt service the 4th largest budget item and people like you still want a large central govt. and give them more money to waste. You certainly don't understand the role of the Federal Govt. and that is sad.

Hey. You're the one who defends the highest budget item, by far, and wants to keep spending on it--the Military Industrial Complex. Oh, BTW, that's probably the largest, most over-bloated and wasteful aspect of that "Central Government" you conservatives always moan about.
 
Hey. You're the one who defends the highest budget item, by far, and wants to keep spending on it--Defense.

Yeah, we are in a global guerrilla war against an enemy that hides amongst a billion women and children, and sees their mission as exterminating us in total....Yeah, no need for defense at all....In fact let's just disband the military et al, and hire the boy scouts to protect the country....:roll:
 
Hey. You're the one who defends the highest budget item, by far, and wants to keep spending on it--the Military Industrial Complex. Oh, BTW, that's probably the largest, most over-bloated and wasteful aspect of that "Central Government" you conservatives always moan about.

You are the one that doesn't understand the Constitution and the role of the govt. Eliminate the entire Defense Budget and this govt. is still over 3 trillion dollars. You are the one that doesn't have a clue. Do you understand what PROVIDE for the common defense means? How about PROMOTE the Domestic Welfare? Learn the Constitution and stop making a fool of yourself.
 
You are the one that doesn't understand the Constitution and the role of the govt. Eliminate the entire Defense Budget and this govt. is still over 3 trillion dollars. You are the one that doesn't have a clue. Do you understand what PROVIDE for the common defense means? How about PROMOTE the Domestic Welfare? Learn the Constitution and stop making a fool of yourself.

You know, as often as you accuse others of not understanding, I wonder if its really you who don't understand? Just a consideration. :coffeepap
 
You know, as often as you accuse others of not understanding, I wonder if its really you who don't understand? Just a consideration. :coffeepap

Unlike you I am willing to learn, provide me with information that proves me wrong. Stop dreaming that you did something you have never done which is refute the numbers.
 
Hi polgara.

This is an interesting statement here...If we are to consider Doctors in this country a business, and their daily practice in seeing patients, production. Then we are told constantly that Obamacare is not a socialist take over, because they are not taking over any means of production in this country, therefore we conservatives don't understand socialism, that meme turns to utter BS.

Health care is 1/6th of this nations economy, and by controlling doctors, and micro managing their practices in every aspect from how many patients they see, to how much they can charge, it is totally socialist is it not?

As a point of fact, they have not taken it over. That's just a fact. Nor are they micromanaging. We really should tone down the hyperbole.
 
Unlike you I am willing to learn, provide me with information that proves me wrong. Stop dreaming that you did something you have never done which is refute the numbers.

You haven't demonstrated that. You still make the same mistakes you have since I've know you. :coffeepap
 
You haven't demonstrated that. You still make the same mistakes you have since I've know you. :coffeepap

When wrong I admit it, unlike you who are going to support a failed ideology forever. You see, all you care about is access, not service or quality. If you cared about service or quality you wouldn't be supporting Obamacare and giving the politicians a bigger slush fund.
 
What gets me is that these paranoids will spend literally Trillions on imagined "threats", but they are totally blind to the obvious, the crumbling of the nation all around them. They seem to think building bombs will save them while ignoring the decay of everything from Interstate bridges to the electrical grid, from the inner cities to the middle class, from the health and welfare of our youth to their education. Freaking idiots.

Eisenhower is another who would be rolling in his grave at his old GOP. It stands to reason that the initial investments in infrastructure would need repair, about 50-60 years later, their lifespan. The party of ideas that helped give us the ACA and other alphabets has gone dry.
 
When wrong I admit it, unlike you who are going to support a failed ideology forever. You see, all you care about is access, not service or quality. If you cared about service or quality you wouldn't be supporting Obamacare and giving the politicians a bigger slush fund.

Do you really believe that? Even in that statement you have errors. yes, access is important. But so is cost. It's two pronged.
 
Hey. You're the one who defends the highest budget item, by far, and wants to keep spending on it--the Military Industrial Complex. Oh, BTW, that's probably the largest, most over-bloated and wasteful aspect of that "Central Government" you conservatives always moan about.

But what type of con is he, a neocon? Like Cheney? Or McCain? Or House Repubs who protect installations in their C. D. back home like Boehner? And there is the Paulista wing that fights the elite repup establishment. I look for the elites to quickly coalesce around Christie.
 
Eisenhower is another who would be rolling in his grave at his old GOP. It stands to reason that the initial investments in infrastructure would need repair, about 50-60 years later, their lifespan. The party of ideas that helped give us the ACA and other alphabets has gone dry.

Good Lord, people, the 842 billion dollar stimulus program was for infrastructure and every time you fill up with gasoline you pay for the roads and bridges in the excise taxes on gasoline and diesel. Where is all that money going? Think about it
 
Do you really believe that? Even in that statement you have errors. yes, access is important. But so is cost. It's two pronged.

Access is irrelevant if you cannot get into the doctor for a visit. ER services increase and ER services costs are higher. We don't need a Federal program to provide people with access. States are doing it all over the country so why give the Federal Govt. extra money to spend. Yes, I not only believe it but history proves me right. Check out MA
 
Access is irrelevant if you cannot get into the doctor for a visit. ER services increase and ER services costs are higher. We don't need a Federal program to provide people with access. States are doing it all over the country so why give the Federal Govt. extra money to spend. Yes, I not only believe it but history proves me right. Check out MA

The sky isn't falling. And frankly, if you can't afford it, you can't in. So, your solution to not having access is to not have access. Now that's logic for you. We'll adjust for any shortage, as we always have. but simply denying access to begin with isn't exactly a fix jr.
 
Yeah, we are in a global guerrilla war against an enemy that hides amongst a billion women and children, and sees their mission as exterminating us in total....Yeah, no need for defense at all....In fact let's just disband the military et al, and hire the boy scouts to protect the country....:roll:
Nevermind we're chasing ignorant fanatics who are operating as if they are still in the 16th century. We could probably hold them off with a kindergarten class's lunch money.
 
But what type of con is he, a neocon? Like Cheney? Or McCain? Or House Repubs who protect installations in their C. D. back home like Boehner? And there is the Paulista wing that fights the elite repup establishment. I look for the elites to quickly coalesce around Christie.

In their effort to unseat the Black man with that funny name, they rallied around a flip-flopping vulture capitalist from a religion which is even kookier than the evangelical young earth society. So, those various factions will all form a truce by 2016, because evil incarnate will be on the Democratic ticket.

...and, it'll be even worse, if Hillary is the nominee.
 
The sky isn't falling. And frankly, if you can't afford it, you can't in. So, your solution to not having access is to not have access. Now that's logic for you. We'll adjust for any shortage, as we always have. but simply denying access to begin with isn't exactly a fix jr.

So, if the sky isn't falling why implement a Federal Healthcare program that puts control of all that money in the hands of the bureaucrats in D.C.? You see, you believe bureaucrats adjust when the reality is bureaucrats only spend more money. What was Medicare and SS supposed to cost?

You are someone who wants universal access thus supports universal fraud, waste, and abuse. If you truly want access then you would work within your own state to assure access for the people of your state but no, you want the Federal Govt. to create another massive entitlement program all because you cannot get the people of your state to do what you want them to do. You want to force people who don't want insurance to have it and would implement a massive bureaucratic program to do that. I call that irresponsible but I guess choice only matters when it comes to murdering a baby.
 
In their effort to unseat the Black man with that funny name, they rallied around a flip-flopping vulture capitalist from a religion which is even kookier than the evangelical young earth society. So, those various factions will all form a truce by 2016, because evil incarnate will be on the Democratic ticket.

...and, it'll be even worse, if Hillary is the nominee.

Got it, people who believe results matter are racists. People like you need to learn to think with the brain God gave you
 
In their effort to unseat the Black man with that funny name, they rallied around a flip-flopping vulture capitalist from a religion which is even kookier than the evangelical young earth society. So, those various factions will all form a truce by 2016, because evil incarnate will be on the Democratic ticket.

...and, it'll be even worse, if Hillary is the nominee.

LOL!!

Dude...you played just about every card in the liberal arsenal. I think you shot your wad way too soon.
 
The sky isn't falling. And frankly, if you can't afford it, you can't in. So, your solution to not having access is to not have access. Now that's logic for you. We'll adjust for any shortage, as we always have. but simply denying access to begin with isn't exactly a fix jr.

I think most conservatives aren't opposed to any particular solution. Rather, I think they are opposed to the liberal desire for the central government to impose a solution. One size fits all never works and almost always makes things worse for the majority.

Now...if you, in your State or community, want some sort of Obamacare clone, then have at it. But don't make the rest of the country follow your desires. After all, that's what America is all about.

On the other hand, if you really must have your one size fits all, central government mandated heath care system, then there are plenty of other countries who are happy to accommodate you.
 
The sky isn't falling. And frankly, if you can't afford it, you can't in. So, your solution to not having access is to not have access. Now that's logic for you. We'll adjust for any shortage, as we always have. but simply denying access to begin with isn't exactly a fix jr.

Access is not the problem, it is a distraction from the problem.

If we expand access, we make the problem of cost-containment that much more difficult. It's possible to expand access but put big constraints on cost in other ways, but it would not be easy, and some folks would get screwed over compared to what they're used to. Such is the nature of cost-containment. The idea we can make access universal and fix the cost problem simultaneously and everyone will be happy about it is delusional.
 
Good Lord, people, the 842 billion dollar stimulus program was for infrastructure and every time you fill up with gasoline you pay for the roads and bridges in the excise taxes on gasoline and diesel. Where is all that money going? Think about it

Good point. The year before the I-35 bridge collapsed in Minneapolis, the state of Minnesota spent $1.6 billion on transportation. Of that amount, just over $1 billion was spent on high speed rail instead of repairing existing infrastructure.
 
Nevermind we're chasing ignorant fanatics who are operating as if they are still in the 16th century. We could probably hold them off with a kindergarten class's lunch money.

Are you aware of the events of 9/11? Have you ever heard of Ft. Hood? Do you know where Boston is? Those ignorant fanatics are chasing us, and we need to become much more aggressive in helping them achieve their goal of becoming martyrs.
 
Got it, people who believe results matter are racists. People like you need to learn to think with the brain God gave you

Some are even more partisan than they are racist. It's like the "D" staring them in the face gets them twisted into knots and they suddenly see Marxists and Socialists, even when the D happens to be your run of the mill corporatist. Funny, actually, to those of us watching you/.
 
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