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Corruption in Chicago and Illinois as we know it began with a Republican Mayor and a Republican governor along with Al Capone and the boys during the roaring 20's. We can thank tard repups and southern cons for the Volstead act, ingraining the 5 crime families forever.
Conservative said:
Illinois is an absolute disaster and always has been due mostly to Chicago. Spent 14 years in Indianapolis and spent a lot of time in Chicago, what a corrupt city. Too bad it isn't more like the rest of the state. We have a Chicago corrupt politician in the WH now and liberals still love him
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NIMBY;1062203448]In the way you discard the words, "Bush bust is typical left wing rhetoric", I disagree. All bar graphs show the economic collapse occurring late 2008/early 2009. I sympathize with McCain pausing his campaign. These disasters take time to overcome.
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Disasters are overstated in a free enterprise society especially by people who don't understand how our economy works. We had a worse disaster in 80-82 that was handled by leadership and Obama doesn't have any leadership skills.

As long as you sling Obama, there will be revision arguments. As long as the two parties cannot come to any agreement, we will not improve enough. As a Dem, how do I work with a Repub party that cannot form its own opinion? They play silly games arguing over the "Hastert" rule.
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As long as Obama generates the kind of results he has, he is ripe for criticism except to his followers. I don't know how anyone can be a Democrat today with the party of Pelosi, Reid, and Obama, none of whom understand the role of the Federal Govt. I was a JFK Democrat and he understood how our economy works, today's Democrat Party doesn't seem to have a clue and simply buys votes by demonizing the opposition and creating dependence.
 
NIMBY said:
Corruption in Chicago and Illinois as we know it began with a Republican Mayor and a Republican governor along with Al Capone and the boys during the roaring 20's. We can thank tard repups and southern cons for the Volstead act, ingraining the 5 crime families forever.
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What complete, blithering nonsense. Like blaming Calvin Coolidge for 9/11. :lamo
 
And so does C. Christie. CC is happy to have received help from the feds. He should just withhold fed taxes on NJ until he breaks even. Rank Paul's state would get hurt by that. On disaster relief, I part company with Sen. Coburn. He is not perfect. Neither is CC. But they're two of the better repubs.
Conservative said:
Illinois is an absolute disaster and always has been due mostly to Chicago. Spent 14 years in Indianapolis and spent a lot of time in Chicago, what a corrupt city. Too bad it isn't more like the rest of the state. We have a Chicago corrupt politician in the WH now and liberals still love him
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NIMBY said:
Corruption in Chicago and Illinois as we know it began with a Republican Mayor and a Republican governor along with Al Capone and the boys during the roaring 20's. We can thank tard repups and southern cons for the Volstead act, ingraining the 5 crime families forever.
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And Democrats have taken it to a new level. Democrats have been in the Governor's office for the past 10 years and the legislature is overwhelmingly Democrat since taking power in 1990
 
NIMBY said:
And so does C. Christie. CC is happy to have received help from the feds. He should just withhold fed taxes on NJ until he breaks even. Rank Paul's state would get hurt by that. On disaster relief, I part company with Sen. Coburn. He is not perfect. Neither is CC. But they're two of the better repubs.
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It is the role of the Governors to fight for Federal dollars some of which comes from the taxpayers of their state when there is a disaster or a handout by the Federal Govt. Why shouldn't they fight for the dollars that are going to be spent anyway?
 
If you would have said Coolidge for the Harding/Coolidge/Hoover bust, I would have agreed. See how ridiculous this revision is. At least we know when corruption started in Chicago/Illinois. With Repubs in the roaring 20's.
Jack Hays said:
What complete, blithering nonsense. Like blaming Calvin Coolidge for 9/11. :lamo
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j-mac said:
I hope your right, but are we sure this isn't just due to reducing the payouts to doctors, and services by government force? I mean that would have the same effect short term no? But in the long run would prove to be just a cosmetic fix.
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Like I said, health care cost growth has slowed down across the entire economy, it isn't just Medicare. Medicare's unprecedentedly slow growth right now is part of something larger.

Reform did find savings in Medicare, some from cutting excess subsidies to the private insurers who participate in Medicare Advantage and some from slowing the growth of reimbursements in traditional Medicare over the next decade. But the idea behind the latter is that this reflects an adjustment to account for productivity growth, which is something the rest of the Medicare (and other health care-oriented) reforms in the law are supposed to help achieve. That's the kind of structural change to care delivery I mentioned before.

However, that slowing of Medicare growth is called for in law, meaning it's been part of the CBO's baseline since that became law in the spring of 2010. The constant revisions downward for Medicare spending they've had to do in each subsequent budget picture they've put out since then are above and beyond anything they expected under existing law. The duration and depth of the health care slowdown has caught them by surprise. And it's been helping out the deficit picture.
 
Why would Repubs deny citizens help after natural disasters? It didn't happen under Reagan or either Bush, though some might argue Katrina. Penny-wise and pound-foolish is the Repub House/Senate filibuster from 2011 that denies immediate help. And certainly not American or Patriotic.
Conservative said:
It is the role of the Governors to fight for Federal dollars much of which comes from the taxpayers of their state when there is a disaster or a handout by the Federal Govt. Why shouldn't they fight for the dollars that are going to be spent anyway?
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Repubs controlled the General Assembly during part of the 1990's when just-released from jail and former Repub gov. George Ryan was in power. In 1991, Edgar back-loaded the pension fix until 2045. Ryan did away with the death penalty. He did a better job funding pensions.
Conservative said:
And Democrats have taken it to a new level. Democrats have been in the Governor's office for the past 10 years and the legislature is overwhelmingly Democrat since taking power in 1990
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Greenbeard said:
Like I said, health care cost growth has slowed down across the entire economy, it isn't just Medicare. Medicare's unprecedentedly slow growth right now is part of something larger.

Reform did find savings in Medicare, some from cutting excess subsidies to the private insurers who participate in Medicare Advantage and some from slowing the growth of reimbursements in traditional Medicare over the next decade. But the idea behind the latter is that this reflects an adjustment to account for productivity growth, which is something the rest of the Medicare (and other health care-oriented) reforms in the law are supposed to help achieve. That's the kind of structural change to care delivery I mentioned before.

However, that slowing of Medicare growth is called for in law, meaning it's been part of the CBO's baseline since that became law in the spring of 2010. The constant revisions downward for Medicare spending they've had to do in each subsequent budget picture they've put out since then are above and beyond anything they expected under existing law. The duration and depth of the health care slowdown has caught them by surprise. And it's been helping out the deficit picture.
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I think you would find this article helpful in explaining the declining cost of health care:

We have done it. We have decreased the increase in the cost of health care. Let us explain. For three decades (1980-2009), the cost of health care has been increasing each year at an average rate of 7.4 percent -- double the rate of inflation. However, over the past three years, the increase in health care expenditure has remained at a low 3.1 percent. Is this decline the desperately-needed bend in the health care cost curve, or just the impact of the depressed economy?
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NIMBY said:
If you would have said Coolidge for the Harding/Coolidge/Hoover bust, I would have agreed. See how ridiculous this revision is. At least we know when corruption started in Chicago/Illinois. With Repubs in the roaring 20's.
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Since the Repubs provided Governors Richard Ogilvie and Jim Thompson in the interim, the two best crime fighting governors the state has had, your claim is false.
 
NIMBY said:
Repubs controlled the General Assembly during part of the 1990's when just-released from jail and former Repub gov. George Ryan was in power. In 1991, Edgar back-loaded the pension fix until 2045. Ryan did away with the death penalty. He did a better job funding pensions.
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In case you missed it, it is 2013 and Illinois has among the highest taxes in the nation and is in one of the worst shapes economically. Do Democrats ever take responsibility for their own failures? I'll bet you think Illinois has a revenue problem but not a spending problem.
 
I loved Richard B. Ogilvie. Signed a General Assembly tuition scholarship for state scholars to enter needed teaching fields like chem/physics. Sat over the Consti. Conv. But he signed in the 1st state income tax, which Dems demagogued him with. Walker was NOT a Chicago Dem, but later he was a crook.
Jack Hays said:
Since the Repubs provided Governors Richard Ogilvie and Jim Thompson in the interim, the two best crime fighting governors the state has had, your claim is false.
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OKay. And I'll bet you think all of these bad things happening because of Obama federally and Illinois at the state level happened overnight when Dems took over. Back to the future revision.
Conservative said:
In case you missed it, it is 2013 and Illinois has among the highest taxes in the nation and is in one of the worst shapes economically. Do Democrats ever take responsibility for their own failures? I'll bet you think Illinois has a revenue problem but not a spending problem.
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NIMBY said:
I loved Richard B. Ogilvie. Signed a General Assembly tuition scholarship for state scholars to enter needed teaching fields like chem/physics. Sat over the Consti. Conv. But he signed in the 1st state income tax, which Dems demagogued him with. Walker was NOT a Chicaqgo Dem, but later he was a crook.
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Ogilvie was my favorite as well.
 
If you only knew half the garbage Big Jerk Thompson pulled when making deals with Dem Chicago crooks, not the type that current Gov. Quinn is BTW.

His pension is now more than he made as governor, thanks to a compound COLA bill he signed while in office.
Jack Hays said:
Since the Repubs provided Governors Richard Ogilvie and Jim Thompson in the interim, the two best crime fighting governors the state has had, your claim is false.
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NIMBY said:
OKay. And I'll bet you think all of these bad things happening because of Obama federally and Illinois at the state level happened overnight when Dems took over. Back to the future revision.
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Name for me an Obama economic prediction that has been accurate and which legislation he wanted that the didn't get that would have made things better? I blame Obama for zero leadership skills and the results back up that claim. A leader accepts the hand he is dealt and plays it. Obama took the hand, blames Bush and everyone else for his own failures. Rather than playing golf and going on vacations he should have called Congress into session and met with the legislators until an agreement is made. Obama is a community agitator and may be the most divisive President we have ever had and that is saying something.
 
Boo Radley said:
All that list effect the community. If you follow he history you will see that each change was brought in response to what the community couldn't live with. I'll and injured people living without care was rightly unacceptable. Seeing the elderly suffering in poverty was also unacceptable. The culture of th time did not prevent this. People working through government made it better.
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There's something going on with this post that makes it difficult to understand.

From what I can gather, you are apparently trying to base public policy off of what we find psychologically acceptable or unacceptable, which usually makes sense, but sometimes it doesn't. When we see one person violating another's rights, we find it to be unacceptable, and it's reasonable to make laws against one person abusing another. When it comes to death and dying, we get really sensitive and sometimes not rational. For example, a dying person, or the loved ones of a dying person, might feel entitled to any and all amount of money and effort on the part of others to save the life, because they don't want to die or don't want the other person to die. This is psychologically somewhat normal (to cling to life), but that doesn't mean it's rational of financially workable.

We simply cannot entitle people to unlimited resources of others the moment they hit a desperate circumstance, and this is because 100% of us eventually hit a desperate circumstance.
 
NIMBY said:
OKay. And I'll bet you think all of these bad things happening because of Obama federally and Illinois at the state level happened overnight when Dems took over. Back to the future revision.
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It should be noted that Illinois is a net federal taxpayer. Meaning, the amount of federal income taxes paid to the federal government is greater than the amount of federal tax expenditures allocated to the state. How much so? Between 1990 and 2009, Illinois net tax contributions to the federal government was equivalent to 111% of the states 2009 GDP, or approximately $700 billion.

This money goes to cover the state shortfalls in Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, Louisiana, New Mexico, Arizona, etc.... You know, for things like anti-poverty initiatives, civil service pensions, farm subsidies, nutritional aid, military spending, benefits, etc....
 
NIMBY said:
If you only knew half the garbage Big Jerk Thompson pulled when making deals with Dem Chicago crooks, not the type that current Gov. Quinn is BTW.

His pension is now more than he made as governor, thanks to a compound COLA bill he signed while in office.
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If they live long enough, lots of people end up with pensions higher than their final salaries. JT has lived a long time after leaving office. Such COLA's are not unusual. Otherwise, he was the state's longest serving governor, so he must have done some things right.:peace
 
BTW, Ogilvie refused to sign the bill from the Dem. GA to allow the state to short the public pension funds. This went by the way-side in 1973 when Walker signed it after defeating Ogilvie. Edgar could have been great, but had a weak heart, and retired in 1995 for G. Ryan.
Jack Hays said:
Ogilvie was my favorite as well.
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Jack Hays said:
Not surprising that those at the point of attack (so to speak) would welcome more resources. That was not, however, a discussion of health care. And in any case, the fact that someone wants does not oblige me to give.:peace
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No, it was a discussion of charity. Focus.
 
I seethe at his name. We used to talk before DP about means-testing on these pensions. How much is enough off the gov't teat? He has a highly successful attorney's office, even defended ex-con Gov. Ryan. His connections from gov't service should be enough.
Jack Hays said:
If they live long enough, lots of people end up with pensions higher than their final salaries. JT has lived a long time after leaving office. Such COLA's are not unusual. Otherwise, he was the state's longest serving governor, so he must have done some things right.:peace
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