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Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

NIMBY said:
The only way to do something about the deficit and debt is to play nice, and that ain't gonna happen. Each Christmas seems to have a new shutdown threeat, hurting sales. One shutdown already has cost us more just to borrow money. All we do is blame, with a big shout-out to computers for helping.
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Any shutdown is the responsibility of the President and it seems that the only compromise that a liberal will accept is giving them everything they want.
 
TiredOfLife said:
So it's ideology for you, even if it wastes money and duplicates efforts?
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It is all about roles and responsibilities. You want a big central govt. move. This country wasn't founded on that concept. You continue to miss the point, states and local communities fund their own police, fire departments, schools, and hospitals. Healthcare is an individual responsibility not a slush fund for the Federal govt.
 
Conservative said:
It is all about roles and responsibilities. You want a big central govt. move. This country wasn't founded on that concept. You continue to miss the point, states and local communities fund their own police, fire departments, schools, and hospitals. Healthcare is an individual responsibility not a slush fund for the Federal govt.
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More ideology, not practicality.
 
Conservative said:
Any shutdown is the responsibility of the President and it seems that the only compromise that a liberal will accept is giving them everything they want.
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That's funny coming from the Party of No, as in, no damn common sense or ability to cut a good deal.
 
TiredOfLife said:
That's funny coming from the Party of No, as in, no damn common sense or ability to cut a good deal.
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Any more leftwing talking points based upon your opinions. Dozens of bills in Harry Reid's desk and yet Republicans are the party of No? That is brilliant.
 
TiredOfLife said:
So it's ideology for you, even if it wastes money and duplicates efforts?
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Oh please, Obamacare has some 18,000 additional pages of regulations so far, and it isn't even implemented yet. 'Duplicates efforts'? 'Wastes money'? pfft.....
 
TiredOfLife said:
So it's ideology for you, even if it wastes money and duplicates efforts?
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The federal gov't is the poster child for wasting money and having duplicate efforts. For medical care alone we now have (at least) Medicare, Medicaid, CHIPS, VA, TriCare, FEHBP and now PPACA.

Oh, and there is this little gem too:

http://www.naccho.org/topics/emergency/upload/FMSPresentation.pdf

And these too

http://ochealthinfo.com/about/medical/msi/

https://www.federalregister.gov/art...and-dental-health-professional-shortage-areas
 
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j-mac said:
Oh please, Obamacare has some 18,000 additional pages of regulations so far, and it isn't even implemented yet. 'Duplicates efforts'? 'Wastes money'? pfft.....
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Parts of it are implemented, and it's a monster, but it's one monster not 50.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The federal gov't is the poster child for wasting money and having duplicate efforts. For medical care alone we now have (at least)Medicare, Medicaid, CHIPS, VA, TriCare, FEHBP and now PPACA.

Oh, and there is this gem too:

http://www.naccho.org/topics/emergency/upload/FMSPresentation.pdf
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Did you know that we can fix all of that, by having everyone in one National Healthcare System? See, we solved that problem easily and thanks for making my point about many versus one.
 
j-mac said:
It's a monster all right...It should have been slain in its crib.
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It's an ugly baby but maybe we can grow it into the adult that we need? That takes what, 30 years or so? That sounds about right.
 
Bills full of poison pills trying to repeal legislation instead of funding. We've been through this since Feb. 2011. When are "you people" going to get serious? You're only serious about beating Dems, by hook or crook. As Christie and NEWT said, where are your positive alternatives?
Conservative said:
There are dozens of bills that have nothing to do with Obamacare sitting in Harry Reid's desk but the brainwashed liberals refuse to even consider who is obstructing economic growth. Keep buying what the media and the left tells you while ignoring what is actually going on.
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TiredOfLife said:
Did you know that we can fix all of that, by having everyone in one National Healthcare System? See, we solved that problem easily and thanks for making my point about many versus one.
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Spoken like a good little liberal who ignores history and reality. Name for me one federal social program that has cost what it was supposed to cost and isn't currently greatly underfunded and a bloated bureaucracy? Do you really want to give the Federal Govt. another slush fund?
 
TiredOfLife said:
It's an ugly baby but maybe we can grow it into the adult that we need? That takes what, 30 years or so? That sounds about right.
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Not likely, it wasn't designed to work in the first place.
 
Conservative said:
Why does having control of your own healthcare within your state bother you so much?
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Because that wouldn't be true either. If it's control you want, have a lot of cash and be willing to travel the world. In that case you can do whatever you want but the rest is an illusion whether the regs come from DC or 50 state offices.
 
NIMBY said:
Bills full of poison pills trying to repeal legislation instead of funding. We've been through this since Feb. 2011. When are "you people" going to get serious? You're only serious about beating Dems, by hook or crook. As Christie and NEWT said, where are your positive alternatives?
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Again, you show how little you know. If a bill has a poison pill then the Senate under Democrat Control would remove it but Reid is preventing the bills to get to the floor for debate. That is obstructionist. Harry Reid doesn't want Democrats on the record with any of those bills he is holding up for fear they will cause greater losses in 2014. You simply don't have a clue what you are talking about again
 
TiredOfLife said:
Because that wouldn't be true either. If it's control you want, have a lot of cash and be willing to travel the world. In that case you can do whatever you want but the rest is an illusion whether the regs come from DC or 50 state offices.
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I know you are used to having someone else provide you with everything you want, but healthcare is your responsibility, not mine or any other Federal taxpayer
 
j-mac said:
Not likely, it wasn't designed to work in the first place.
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Oh it will works about as well as most half-assed efforts. The US is full of those. You could even say the US is one of those.
 
Not even close. 3-to-1 on cuts/revenue is not getting all you want Obama. But with all Repup can-di-date loons raising their hand against 10-1, what do you expect? It takes 2 to make 3 as my Air Force Dad used to say. Repups are repulsed at the thought of compromise with RINO Obama.
Conservative said:
Any shutdown is the responsibility of the President and it seems that the only compromise that a liberal will accept is giving them everything they want.
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TiredOfLife said:
Did you know that we can fix all of that, by having everyone in one National Healthcare System? See, we solved that problem easily and thanks for making my point about many versus one.
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But "we" got PPACA added on instead of UHC because that is what the demorats (and lobbyists) wanted us to have and the republicants were unable to stop them. Thanks for making my point as well. ;)
 
TiredOfLife said:
Oh it will works about as well as most half-assed efforts. The US is full of those. You could even say the US is one of those.
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You could say anything....You'd be laughably wrong....But you could say it...
 
Conservative said:
I know you are used to having someone else provide you with everything you want, but healthcare is your responsibility, not mine or any other Federal taxpayer
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What you "know" is incorrect, and Healthcare is a societal need, as is public health, food safety, drug safety, clean air and water, and national security. Simply because men 220 years ago couldn't accurately predict our needs today doesn't mean we should ignore those needs. It isn't their world, it's ours.
 
Jack Hays said:
That is why we have charity.
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And history shows it didn't work well. If I remember my history right, it was charities who spoke the loudest for needing government help.
 
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