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Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

1) Dems and Unions in Detroit--got it. 2) Overfunding at too fast a pace now since previous underfunding. Red towns are suffering more than Red elites. 3) Illinois is screwed. Only draconian measures will save us. We have no guts for that. 4) Christie/NOOT 2016

Christie yes. Newt no. Try this:
Susana Martinez
Governor of New Mexico


Susana Martinez is the 31st and current Governor of New Mexico. Martinez, a Republican since 1995, is the first female governor of New Mexico and the first female Hispanic governor in the United States. Wikipedia

Born: July 14, 1959 (age 54), El Paso, TX

Office: Governor of New Mexico since 2011

Education: University of Oklahoma College of Law, University of Texas at El Paso, University of Oklahoma:peace
 
So you support liberal bangers shooting it up in the hood and not having insurance at the E.R. Or the incredibly obese who choose not to take care of themselves and then choose to not insure themselves at the E.R. I remember Romney saying you couldn't skate until you're 45 and then jump in. I agree.

I would rather subsidize the freeloaders than burden the citizenry with a new obligation.:peace
 
Public health is not individual health care. Nice try. I pay for police and fire, but I'm responsible to lock my doors and eliminate fire hazards.:peace

Individual care bleeds over into the community. Illness spreads. Untreated injuries breed other problems. And no where did I say otherwise concerning responsibility. But there will be poor. There will be working poor. And it effects the public as a whole if we don't plan to adequately handle their health needs.
 
I know all about her and Sandoval from Nevada. They are RINOs and could not have broken into the Dem hierarchy. Both are very good, and are smart enough to accept ACA for their people and get reelected. NOOT is a man of vision, a political TESLA of his times. He knows the gov't, if Christie went down.
Christie yes. Newt no. Try this:
Susana Martinez
Governor of New Mexico


Susana Martinez is the 31st and current Governor of New Mexico. Martinez, a Republican since 1995, is the first female governor of New Mexico and the first female Hispanic governor in the United States. Wikipedia

Born: July 14, 1959 (age 54), El Paso, TX

Office: Governor of New Mexico since 2011

Education: University of Oklahoma College of Law, University of Texas at El Paso, University of Oklahoma:peace
 
Do you support laws that are on the books? Or just cherry-pick what you don't like and threaten a TEApee insurrection to hurt the economy as with July/2011? The ACA is full of good Repup ideas. The whole concept came from "you people".
I would rather subsidize the freeloaders than burden the citizenry with a new obligation.:peace
 
Individual care bleeds over into the community. Illness spreads. Untreated injuries breed other problems. And no where did I say otherwise concerning responsibility. But there will be poor. There will be working poor. And it effects the public as a whole if we don't plan to adequately handle their health needs.

That is why we have charity.
 
Do you support laws that are on the books? Or just cherry-pick what you don't like and threaten a TEApee insurrection to hurt the economy as with July/2011? The ACA is full of good Repup ideas. The whole concept came from "you people".

Since I'm not a Repub I'm under no more obligation to defend their stupid ideas than the stupid ideas of Dems. I did not believe our health care system needed reform in the first place. As I have done throughout my life, I will support the law of the land and express my views at the ballot box.
 
But can your charity always be counted on? Charity doesn't balance the budget. Lower overall health-care costs due to a healthier society does. The slamming of the Obesity campaign by the FLOTUS is REPULSIVE. If it were Laura or Barbara Bush, who were great, it would be a great campaign.
That is why we have charity.
 
That is why we have charity.
Charity is a wonderful thing but it's not what you mange the needs of a society by. What you hope it can do is pick up a few of the things we can't get to. It's the extra foot of rope on the 100 feet you use to save a drowning man.
 
So yo0u would not vote for the shutdown from your remarks?
Since I'm not a Repub I'm under no more obligation to defend their stupid ideas than the stupid ideas of Dems. I did not believe our health care system needed reform in the first place. As I have done throughout my life, I will support the law of the land and express my views at the ballot box.
 
I'm nit defending Obama. I'm talking about a single payer system. Government isn't a business. It isn't designed to make profit, but to serve the people. People create governments to handle larger problems. Problems change overtime, but role is the same. In our system government functions under the will of the governed. We can vote anyone out. The thing I dislike is losers demonize the winners far too much.

But, the point is in this discussion is that we as a people improved the lot of the elderly by working through government.

That may have been the case in the beginning, before the raiding of these programs that congress did for their own pet projects. However, I would say that today, what we have is a promise that in the long run can not be fulfilled, therefore those generations that come up on the age where they are supposed to reap the benefit of their promise made through out their life, and all the money taken through the force of government may not come to fruition for them, I may be in that category, and I can tell ya, I won't be all too happy when they have forced me my whole life to pay for something that they spent and is now gone because they couldn't keep their hands off it.

But, in any case let me just ask you, if this program would have been based on truly voluntary involvement, would it have succeeded?
 
Charity is a wonderful thing but it's not what you mange the needs of a society by. What you hope it can do is pick up a few of the things we can't get to. It's the extra foot of rope on the 100 feet you use to save a drowning man.

Health care is a commodity. No one has a right to it. You pay for it like food, clothing and shelter. Or receive it as charity.:peace
 
Quit changing he subject. Government isn't business and business would love to remove health care from their domain.

You seem to have a vision of a large central govt. providing you everything you want. That never was the purpose of the Federal Govt. and until you understand that you will always lack credibility. All this outrage over business but none over the 3.77 trillion dollar Federal Govt. and 17 trillion dollar debt. That says it all about you and other liberals.
 
So why won't the House fix a mess they made in late 2006 with the post office pe3nsion. Just before Nancy. Did she nsurvive that attempt on her life by the Sheriff, colloquially?

I am not happy with the House at all but they sure beat the alternative which we saw from 2007-2010
 
Common ground. Linc would be proud. Now let's get the Transportation and Farming Bills done. Get a continuing resolution now that the Senate has actually passed a budget. I agree with the incremental approach to immigration since that is all the House will do anyway.
Of course not.
 
No, a community service like fire and police. You can buy some products, like smoke detectors and alarm systems, but the public health aspect is communal.

So you equate UHC with police and fire departments? Wow, really, WOW!
 
At some point in our lives we are going to utilize healthcare in some shape form or fashion no matter what. Why people don't want to figure out a better way to fund this I don't know.

There is a better way, let the states and local communities handle it not the bureaucracy in D.C.
 
Give these current assclowns time. Their remaps guarantee control until at least 2022. Do you believe in the loon wisdom of not passing any bills? Just more meaningless repeal votes? Or refusing to go to conference where the Repub adults from the Senate will make them whine?
I am not happy with the House at all but they sure beat the alternative which we saw from 2007-2010
 
There is a better way, let the states and local communities handle it not the bureaucracy in D.C.
And why do you think that would be better? Why are 50 smaller units better then one big one? Did you miss the Economies of Scale part of Econ101?

Should we have 50 little FAAs and the pilots can speak with a couple of dozen when flying across the country?
 
Common ground. Linc would be proud. Now let's get the Transportation and Farming Bills done. Get a continuing resolution now that the Senate has actually passed a budget. I agree with the incremental approach to immigration since that is all the House will do anyway.

Fair enough.:peace
 
And why do you think that would be better? Why are 50 smaller units better then one big one? Did you miss the Economies of Scale part of Econ101?

Should we have 50 little FAAs and the pilots can speak with a couple of dozen when flying across the country?

Uh, yeah, because a bureaucrat in D.C. has no idea what the problems are in a local community and state. Costs are different, situations are different, people are different. This country was built on individual freedoms with power centered closest to the people. That would be the states, not the Federal Govt. There is one basic role of the Federal Govt.--PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE. Healthcare is an individual responsibility not a Federal one.
 
The only way to do something about the deficit and debt is to play nice, and that ain't gonna happen. Each Christmas seems to have a new shutdown threeat, hurting sales. One shutdown already has cost us more just to borrow money. All we do is blame, with a big shout-out to computers for helping.
You seem to have a vision of a large central govt. providing you everything you want. That never was the purpose of the Federal Govt. and until you understand that you will always lack credibility. All this outrage over business but none over the 3.77 trillion dollar Federal Govt. and 17 trillion dollar debt. That says it all about you and other liberals.
 
Give these current assclowns time. Their remaps guarantee control until at least 2022. Do you believe in the loon wisdom of not passing any bills? Just more meaningless repeal votes? Or refusing to go to conference where the Repub adults from the Senate will make them whine?

There are dozens of bills that have nothing to do with Obamacare sitting in Harry Reid's desk but the brainwashed liberals refuse to even consider who is obstructing economic growth. Keep buying what the media and the left tells you while ignoring what is actually going on.
 
Uh, yeah, because a bureaucrat in D.C. has no idea what the problems are in a local community and state. Costs are different, situations are different, people are different. This country was built on individual freedoms with power centered closest to the people. That would be the states, not the Federal Govt. There is one basic role of the Federal Govt.--PROVIDE FOR THE COMMON DEFENSE. Healthcare is an individual responsibility not a Federal one.
So it's ideology for you, even if it wastes money and duplicates efforts?
 
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