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Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

Conservative said:
You never ran a business, have you? They have cost more than intended and have made people dependent but you are right, they have given the govt. a huge slush fund that helped create the unfunded mandates. And by the way the Post Office isn't a social program but it is broke
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Quit changing he subject. Government isn't business and business would love to remove health care from their domain.
 
j-mac said:
And that people have come to count on them has created a culture of dependency for our seniors, not to mention that this is not a voluntary proposition....
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I gave testimony, and you counter with this. I'm sure you won't seethe difference.

That said, the entire culture of dependency nonsense is just that, nonsense. We saw very poor conditions for the elderly prior to this. Working together, we improved those conditions. That's a good thing.
 
Boo Radley said:
Quit changing he subject. Government isn't business and business would love to remove health care from their domain.
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Problem is that business would love to get rid of all overhead, then talent could be compensated on ability rather than hidden compensation. But, that isn't the world we live in, and not the one that Obama is promising either. Or at least what he was promising....But we are finding out alot of lies in this turd.
 
Boo Radley said:
I gave testimony, and you counter with this. I'm sure you won't seethe difference.

That said, the entire culture of dependency nonsense is just that, nonsense. We saw very poor conditions for the elderly prior to this. Working together, we improved those conditions. That's a good thing.
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Ponzi schemes always look wonderful until the jig is up.
 
Conservative said:
And by the way the Post Office isn't a social program but it is broke
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So why won't the House fix a mess they made in late 2006 with the post office pe3nsion. Just before Nancy. Did she nsurvive that attempt on her life by the Sheriff, colloquially?
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The National Guared must become a true Force at home, as I detailed before this forum. I'm just not organized enough to reproduce. Incorporate returning soldiers. Use elite-trained groups to be 1st-responder to natural disasters. Use specially-trained to ALL borders.
Jack Hays said:
The Peace Corps, the most cost effective arm of the USG abroad.
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nimby said:
conservative said:
so why won't the house fix a mess they made in late 2006 with the post office pe3nsion. Just before nancy. Did she nsurvive that attempt on her life by the sheriff, colloquially?
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As I understand it, all the Congress did in 2006 was compel the Post Office to actually fund the pension obligations to which they were already committed. Seems wise to me. Otherwise you get Detroit or -- coming soon -- Illinois.:peace
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NIMBY said:
The National Guared must become a true Force at home, as I detailed before this forum. I'm just not organized enough to reproduce. Incorporate returning soldiers. Use elite-trained groups to be 1st-responder to natural disasters. Use specially-trained to ALL borders.
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Interesting thoughts, but that's not the question I was answering.
 
j-mac said:
Problem is that business would love to get rid of all overhead, then talent could be compensated on ability rather than hidden compensation. But, that isn't the world we live in, and not the one that Obama is promising either. Or at least what he was promising....But we are finding out alot of lies in this turd.
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I'm nit defending Obama. I'm talking about a single payer system. Government isn't a business. It isn't designed to make profit, but to serve the people. People create governments to handle larger problems. Problems change overtime, but role is the same. In our system government functions under the will of the governed. We can vote anyone out. The thing I dislike is losers demonize the winners far too much.

But, the point is in this discussion is that we as a people improved the lot of the elderly by working through government.
 
Boo Radley said:
I'm nit defending Obama. I'm talking about a single payer system. Government isn't a business. It isn't designed to make profit, but to serve the people. People create governments to handle larger problems. Problems change overtime, but role is the same. In our system government functions under the will of the governed. We can vote anyone out. The thing I dislike is losers demonize the winners far too much.

But, the point is in this discussion is that we as a people improved the lot of the elderly by working through government.
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Health care is a commodity, like food, clothing and shelter. Buy it or receive it as charity.:peace
 
Jack Hays said:
Health care is a commodity, like food, clothing and shelter. Buy it or receive it as charity.:peace
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People used to view the Fire Department that way too.
Back when Fire Insurance used to mean they'd come put out your fire if you paid in advance.
 
Not at all. The post office is required to come up with more than matching funds for a 75-year spread. Just the opposite from Illinois, where both parties intentionally underfunded since a 1973 law. Nice cheap shot though on IL. You would do well to hold your nose and vote for Christie.
Jack Hays said:
nimby said:
As I understand it, all the Congress did in 2006 was compel the Post Office to actually fund the pension obligations to which they were already committed. Seems wise to me. Otherwise you get Detroit or -- coming soon -- Illinois.:peace
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Jack Hays said:
Health care is a commodity, like food, clothing and shelter. Buy it or receive it as charity.:peace
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No, a community service like fire and police. You can buy some products, like smoke detectors and alarm systems, but the public health aspect is communal.
 
NO. it is there only when you need it. I think you still need the food you mentioned every day. Totally different measurable of the economy. Different fluidities. Why do you Cons on health-care run away from the Car Insurance example and connection. Should I pay for the medical bills of uninsured on purpose?
Jack Hays said:
Health care is a commodity, like food, clothing and shelter. Buy it or receive it as charity.:peace
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NIMBY said:
Not at all. The post office is required to come up with more than matching funds for a 75-year spread. Just the opposite from Illinois, where both parties intentionally underfunded since a 1973 law. Nice cheap shot though on IL. You would do well to hold your nose and vote for Christie.


And are those Post Office matching funds not intended to compensate for earlier underfunding? My post was not meant as a cheap shot on Illinois, just a statement of fact, and I blame both parties. That situation is different from Detroit, where Dems & unions have 100% of the responsibility.:peace
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Boo Radley said:
No, a community service like fire and police. You can buy some products, like smoke detectors and alarm systems, but the public health aspect is communal.
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At some point in our lives we are going to utilize healthcare in some shape form or fashion no matter what. Why people don't want to figure out a better way to fund this I don't know.
 
Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system

Boo Radley said:
No, a community service like fire and police. You can buy some products, like smoke detectors and alarm systems, but the public health aspect is communal.
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It is nothing like you describe, although I understand the advocacy to turn it into this. It would be a revolutionary change to turn it into a communal service.

Emergency response to accident/injury may seem communal akin to police and fire, but the hundreds of billions spent on end of life comfort care, symptom management, prescription drugs, etc.? No that is not communal.

Health insurance is not even really insurance (ie it breaks all the rules that make insurance workable) and that is why it has failed.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, a community service like fire and police. You can buy some products, like smoke detectors and alarm systems, but the public health aspect is communal.
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Public health is not individual health care. Nice try. I pay for police and fire, but I'm responsible to lock my doors and eliminate fire hazards.:peace
 
1) Dems and Unions in Detroit--got it. 2) Overfunding at too fast a pace now since previous underfunding. Red towns are suffering more than Red elites. 3) Illinois is screwed. Only draconian measures will save us. We have no guts for that. 4) Christie/NOOT 2016

 
NIMBY said:
NO. it is there only when you need it. I think you still need the food you mentioned every day. Totally different measurable of the economy. Different fluidities. Why do you Cons on health-care run away from the Car Insurance example and connection. Should I pay for the medical bills of uninsured on purpose?
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To take your last question first, yes. I prefer to pay via my insurance premiums for emergency room care for the uninsured. The car insurance example is invalid because purchase of an automobile is not mandatory.:peace
 
winston53660 said:
At some point in our lives we are going to utilize healthcare in some shape form or fashion no matter what. Why people don't want to figure out a better way to fund this I don't know.
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Intelligent people and governments do.
 
Neomalthusian said:
It is nothing like you describe, although I understand the advocacy to turn it into this. It would be a revolutionary change to turn it into a communal service.

Emergency response to accident/injury may seem communal akin to police and fire, but the hundreds of billions spent on end of life comfort care, symptom management, prescription drugs, etc.? No that is not communal.

Health insurance is not even really insurance (ie it breaks all the rules that make insurance workable) and that is why it has failed.
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All that list effect the community. If you follow he history you will see that each change was brought in response to what the community couldn't live with. I'll and injured people living without care was rightly unacceptable. Seeing the elderly suffering in poverty was also unacceptable. The culture of th time did not prevent this. People working through government made it better.
 
So you support liberal bangers shooting it up in the hood and not having insurance at the E.R. Or the incredibly obese who choose not to take care of themselves and then choose to not insure themselves at the E.R. I remember Romney saying you couldn't skate until you're 45 and then jump in. I agree.
Jack Hays said:
To take your last question first, yes. I prefer to pay via my insurance premiums for emergency room care for the uninsured. The car insurance example is invalid because purchase of an automobile is not mandatory.:peace
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