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calamity said:
$1.4 Trillion in Defense Spending is $1.4 Trillion in Defense Spending. How can you say NSA and Homeland Security is not defense? Talk about a disingenuous argument. :roll:
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Because it isn't part of the Defense Budget that you are railing against. You have a problem with NSA and Homeland Security then get "your" President to do something about it. The defense budget is 700 billion dollars and that is reality.
 
Conservative said:
Was the issue raised when Bush was in office? I wasn't even here then so how would you know my position?
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It's an issue now. Has been throughout the Obama tenure. Republicans have been quite obstructionist. Where have you been?
 
Conservative said:
The House passed a number of bills that are sitting in Harry Reid's desk, why? We aren't talking about different versions. We are talking about Harry Reid being the obstructionist
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I am willing to discuss the merits of each individual bill the house has sent to the senate.

So tell me what bills are you angry at Harry Reid for not bringing up for a vote.
 
Boo Radley said:
It's an issue now. Has been throughout the Obama tenure. Republicans have been quite obstructionist. Where have you been?
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Your opinion noted, Obama couldn't get his own party to agree on legislation and had a filibuster proof Senate part of his first term. Try to focus, why is Harry Reid holding up House passed bills and isn't that being an obstructionist?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I am willing to discuss the merits of each individual bill the house has sent to the senate.

So tell me what bills are you angry at Harry Reid for not bringing up for a vote.
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Do the research at ABC.com and find out which bills he is holding up. This isn't the time or the place or the thread for that. The issue is, is it obstructionist to hold up bills passed by the House and sitting in Reid's desk? Whether you want to debate the merits or not is irrelevant. that is for the Senate to do if Reid let's those bills get to the floor.
 
calamity said:
The wiki link I posted showed the US spending over $1.4T per year on defense. That is rounds off to 1.5 Trillion, in my book.
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AW, wiki link. Now I see clearly the stunt you tried to pull off and failed at.

On page 43 of this thread where you linked the article from the Washington Post that proved you to be wrong and Conservative correct, you slipped in a list from wiki that listed everything but the kitchen sink and you called it defense spending. Of course you didn't cite the list as being from wiki, you just assumed (that word will make an ASS out of U but not ME or conservative) nobody would read the article from the Post and think the list was part of it. Guess what chief? I did read the article. You got caught. I was wondering why I didn't see that list in the article that you linked and thought something was very fishy about it.

You have no creditability on anything. Junior High School kids know better than to do what you tried to do. Except for the dumb ones.
 
Conservative said:
Your opinion noted, Obama couldn't get his own party to agree on legislation and had a filibuster proof Senate part of his first term. Try to focus, why is Harry Reid holding up House passed bills and isn't that being an obstructionist?
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I know you want tunnel vision, but that obstructs the real view from your eyes. You miss a lot.
 
Conservative said:
Because it isn't part of the Defense Budget that you are railing against. You have a problem with NSA and Homeland Security then get "your" President to do something about it. The defense budget is 700 billion dollars and that is reality.
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Bush invented Homeland Security. You all are still running away from him. Aren't ya?
 
ItAin'tFree said:
AW, wiki link. Now I see clearly the stunt you tried to pull off and failed at.

On page 43 of this thread where you linked the article from the Washington Post that proved you to be wrong and Conservative correct, you slipped in a list from wiki that listed everything but the kitchen sink and you called it defense spending. Of course you didn't cite the list as being from wiki, you just assumed (that word will make an ASS out of U but not ME or conservative) nobody would read the article from the Post and think the list was part of it. Guess what chief? I did read the article. You got caught. I was wondering why I didn't see that list in the article that you linked and thought something was very fishy about it.

You have no creditability on anything. Junior High School kids know better than to do what you tried to do. Except for the dumb ones.
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It's not a "slip in" when both sources and corresponding quotes are posted in the same post. THe Wa Po article stated that their number did not include all costs. I simply supplemented that article with the Wiki link to show where the hidden costs were.

BTW: Learn some English.
 
Boo Radley said:
I know you want tunnel vision, but that obstructs the real view from your eyes. You miss a lot.
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Reality doesn't exist in that liberal utopian world you live in, you know, the one that has a 17 trillion dollar debt, 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, stagnant economic growth, and massive dependence on taxpayers for welfare programs
 
calamity said:
Bush invented Homeland Security. You all are still running away from him. Aren't ya?
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With Democrat Support and Democrats had total control from 2007-2010 and expanded it. Where is your outrage?
 
Conservative said:
Reality doesn't exist in that liberal utopian world you live in, you know, the one that has a 17 trillion dollar debt, 22 million unemployed/under employed/discouraged workers, stagnant economic growth, and massive dependence on taxpayers for welfare programs
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Can you take a deep breath, but your stereotype rhetoric handbook down and pay attention to what is being argued. Just for a few minutes. You're venom gets old after awhile. Try to hate less and think just a little more.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
The senate and house regularly pass different versions of the same bill, the house passes its version of a jobs bill, the senate passes its version of a jobs bill. However it seems that the current congress is reluctant to reconcile the two versions of a bill in conference committees. Why is that?
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Because the libs in the Senate want an issue, not a solution.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
I am willing to discuss the merits of each individual bill the house has sent to the senate.

So tell me what bills are you angry at Harry Reid for not bringing up for a vote.
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Let's start with the repeal of ObamaCare.
 
Conservative said:
Do the research at ABC.com and find out which bills he is holding up. This isn't the time or the place or the thread for that. The issue is, is it obstructionist to hold up bills passed by the House and sitting in Reid's desk? Whether you want to debate the merits or not is irrelevant. that is for the Senate to do if Reid let's those bills get to the floor.
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Bills die in Commitee and in other places.

Here is somthing for you

Search Bills in Congress - GovTrack.us

Now find which specific bills Reid is holding up.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Bills die in Commitee and in other places.

Here is somthing for you

Search Bills in Congress - GovTrack.us

Now find which specific bills Reid is holding up.
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Here is the ABC news article that lists 15, since this was written there are dozens more but that doesn't matter to ideologues. Now you are seeing the partisan rhetoric from the Democrats yet why can't the public decide by having those bills up for debate?

Senate and House in a Blame Game Over Stalled Jobs Legislation - ABC News
 
Conservative said:
Here is the ABC news article that lists 15, since this was written there are dozens more but that doesn't matter to ideologues. Now you are seeing the partisan rhetoric from the Democrats yet why can't the public decide by having those bills up for debate?

Senate and House in a Blame Game Over Stalled Jobs Legislation - ABC News
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Either I am having problems with the link, which is possible because I sometimes view news articles on my mobile phone instead
Of a computer, or the link does not have specific details, but I still cannot find any specifics about which 15 bills the article talks about.
 
calamity said:
It's not a "slip in" when both sources and corresponding quotes are posted in the same post. THe Wa Po article stated that their number did not include all costs. I simply supplemented that article with the Wiki link to show where the hidden costs were.

BTW: Learn some English.
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"I simply". LOL. You linked the Post, Wiki, you did not. It was a slip in.

BTW: Learn to read the articles you link. The Post accounted for defense spending including the war, per year. Once again, Conservative was correct as everybody and their brother knows now. They also know you will pull slick boy crap to avoid facing the truth.
Once you've lost all creditability it doesn't come back with people that have standards. Wiki? Veterans Affairs as Defense Spending? LOL.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
Either I am having problems with the link, which is possible because I sometimes view news articles on my mobile phone instead
Of a computer, or the link does not have specific details, but I still cannot find any specifics about which 15 bills the article talks about.
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Why is that relevant for it isn't up to you or me to debate the merits of the bill. The point is why were those bills held up in the first place?
 
Conservative said:
Why is that relevant for it isn't up to you or me to debate the merits of the bill. The point is why were those bills held up in the first place?
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If I don't know which specific bills were held up, I cannot find out what is in the bills that would lead to them to being held up.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
If I don't know which specific bills were held up, I cannot find out what is in the bills that would lead to them to being held up.
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For example I looked up one of the forgotton 15

H.R. 910 (112th): Energy Tax Prevention Act of 2011

The summary of the title is as follows

To amend the Clean Air Act to prohibit the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency from promulgating any regulation concerning, taking action relating to, or taking into consideration the emission of a greenhouse gas to address climate change, and for other purposes
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Energy Tax Prevention Act of 2011 (2011; 112th Congress H.R. 910) - GovTrack.us

Jobs bill? This sounds like a bill to prevent the EPA from regulating air pollution to me.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
If I don't know which specific bills were held up, I cannot find out what is in the bills that would lead to them to being held up.
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Harry Reid held them up and that is the issue. Any bill passed by the House or the Senate should be allowed on the floor for debate regardless of the party in charge.
 
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