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Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

Conservative said:
Out of ever dollar spent on public education about 7 cents comes from the Federal Govt. Tell us where that 7 cents goes and what it funds?
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Currently it's actually over 8 cents. But, your state is free to not take money no matter were it goes. Do you think your state won't feel that?
 
Boo Radley said:
Has it? Or does history play any role? They didn't just start one day. There's a clear history that leads us to where we are, and always supported by the majority of the populace. And there is good reason to believe that even the founding fathers, had they lived that history, would have followed the same path. They weren't incapable of thought or of adjusting to problems.

However, all that is noted here is that it is a fact that the federal government contributes funds to all three.
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You're correct, it didn't just start one day, and there is a history fraught with progressives on both sides of the isle that have been on a constant march away from the founding documents of this country for the past hundred years or better.
 
Boo Radley said:
Actually it is what it states, and I can link a lot more if you need them.
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No, it specifically states what the money is for and it isn't for the day to day operations of the police, fire department, or teachers. Money coming from the Federal Govt. comes with strings and a time limit, always. States and local communities are responsible for their own police, fire departments, and teachers AS IT SHOULD BE. Why do you expect me, a Federal taxpayer to fund your police, fire fighters, and school teachers?
 
Boo Radley said:
Currently it's actually over 8 cents. But, your state is free to not take money no matter were it goes. Do you think your state won't feel that?
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What you fail to understand is that when the Federal Govt. spends taxpayer dollars some of those dollars come from the taxpayers of the state in the form of Federal taxes paid. Why shouldn't the Governor of the state ask for some of that money back? I am still waiting for you to explain where that 8 cents goes and what it funds?
 
j-mac said:
You're correct, it didn't just start one day, and there is a history fraught with progressives on both sides of the isle that have been on a constant march away from the founding documents of this country for the past hundred years or better.
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Like I said, there is a reason to believe the FF would have walked the same path. They were largely progressive. ;)
 
Conservative said:
No, it specifically states what the money is for and it isn't for the day to day operations of the police, fire department, or teachers. Money coming from the Federal Govt. comes with strings and a time limit, always. States and local communities are responsible for their own police, fire departments, and teachers AS IT SHOULD BE. Why do you expect me, a Federal taxpayer to fund your police, fire fighters, and school teachers?
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Nonsense. Money that pays one area, frees money in another. Bottom line, federal money goes to those areas.
 
Conservative said:
What you fail to understand is that when the Federal Govt. spends taxpayer dollars some of those dollars come from the taxpayers of the state in the form of Federal taxes paid. Why shouldn't the Governor of the state ask for some of that money back? I am still waiting for you to explain where that 8 cents goes and what it funds?
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That makes no difference. None.
 
Boo Radley said:
Hardly. It'll likely spread beyond the two of you as well. Remember O'Leary's cow?
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Well now youre just using hypothetical falacys which are irrelevant to the topic anyway. How is my health and how i choose to deal with it a communal issue?
 
jonny5 said:
Well now youre just using hypothetical falacys which are irrelevant to the topic anyway. How is my health and how i choose to deal with it a communal issue?
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No fallacy. The fire bled over to many. That's why it is communal and not just individual. the same is true true for crime and health. these things often effect whole communities.
 
Boo Radley said:
No fallacy. The fire bled over to many. That's why it is communal and not just individual. the same is true true for crime and health. these things often effect whole communities.
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And we've seen how 'communals' work.
 
Boo Radley said:
Who do think kept them employed through this last recession?
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Yes, the Marxist in the White Housed lied about shovel ready jobs. His goal was to keep union members on the public payroll. He laundered taxpayer and borrowed dollars through the unions to fund democratic members' re-election bids.

He deserves a long prison sentence for his crimes against the productive portions of humanity.
 
NIMBY said:
And General Powell and Republican Congressman Sensenbrenner on Voting Rights??
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Powell is black first and foremost. He is an American second. And a status que republican loser (SQRL) third. I have despised him for a very long time. My assessment of him has been right all along.
 
complete racist unAmerican lunacy
Misterveritis said:
Powell is black first and foremost. He is an American second. And a status que republican loser (SQRL) third. I have despised him for a very long time. My assessment of him has been right all along.
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Misterveritis said:
Yes, the Marxist in the White Housed lied about shovel ready jobs. His goal was to keep union members on the public payroll. He laundered taxpayer and borrowed dollars through the unions to fund democratic members' re-election bids.

He deserves a long prison sentence for his crimes against the productive portions of humanity.
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Yes, I got the message. Those terrible teachers, police officers, and fire fighters. Those greedy bastards. Don't they know how hard it is for the wealthy? Them and their class warfare. They're not you, as you know those greedy working folks are just sick parasites.

Yep.
:roll:
 
Boo Radley said:
Yes, I got the message. Those terrible teachers, police officers, and fire fighters. Those greedy bastards. Don't they know how hard it is for the wealthy? Them and their class warfare. They're not you, as you know those greedy working folks are just sick parasites.

Yep.
:roll:
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You think teachers, police and firefighters are the only ones on the public payroll?

That may explain your cavalier attitude towards a burgeoning bureaucracy.
 
Grant said:
You think teachers, police and firefighters are the only ones on the public payroll?

That may explain your cavalier attitude towards a burgeoning bureaucracy.
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Those are the ones we were talking about. And we can play clips of Fox naming them. Yep.

You can work to reduce bureaucracy without demonizing working people or the poor. You can also take a realistic look at our situations and not the fantasy one most republicans throw around. If we stop the exaggerations, we might find some common ground.
 
Diogenes said:
A few years back, a couple from Calgary got involved with fertility treatments to start a family. The wife came down with a case of quadruplets, and that posed a problem because multiples are frequently premature and preemies need incubators. Calgary (pop. 1,000,000) doesn't have four incubators, so the couple had to come down to Great Falls, Montana (pop. 50,000) for the births. True, the Canadian government paid for the services - just as they keep the hospitals in Detroit and Buffalo in business - but the incident does underscore the inability of the Canadian health system to provide in-country services.
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I post third party references, you come back with personal anecdotes and recollections. YOU can do better if you want to make your point. Start with a reference to this Calgary couple that could not find sufficient incubators in Calgary.... They show me articles written by Canadians that show they covet the American system... then you have a point.
 
Boo Radley said:
Those are the ones we were talking about. And we can play clips of Fox naming them. Yep.

You can work to reduce bureaucracy without demonizing working people or the poor. You can also take a realistic look at our situations and not the fantasy one most republicans throw around. If we stop the exaggerations, we might find some common ground.
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So you think that Teachers, Police, and Firefighters are "the Working poor?" :lamo
 
Boo Radley said:
No fallacy. The fire bled over to many. That's why it is communal and not just individual. the same is true true for crime and health. these things often effect whole communities.
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The fire didnt bleed over because I put it out. But you have yet to explain how my health is your problem. Youre just repeating the same thing, that it is.
 
jonny5 said:
The fire didnt bleed over because I put it out. But you have yet to explain how my health is your problem. Youre just repeating the same thing, that it is.
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Joe, and to be fair progressives never really do that...They rely on catchy bumper sticker catch phrases, and then don't even know why they say them. Only that they sound snarky, and mocking, then they can turn to each other, give a fist bump, and chuckle like 5th graders in the playground.

See, Joe doesn't need actual facts to back up his statements, he believes that just because he typed it, it becomes fact. A perfect example of why arrogance, and hubris are ultimate losers in debate.
 
j-mac said:
Joe, and to be fair progressives never really do that...They rely on catchy bumper sticker catch phrases, and then don't even know why they say them. Only that they sound snarky, and mocking, then they can turn to each other, give a fist bump, and chuckle like 5th graders in the playground.

See, Joe doesn't need actual facts to back up his statements, he believes that just because he typed it, it becomes fact. A perfect example of why arrogance, and hubris are ultimate losers in debate.
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And when Obamacare becomes the law of the land everyone will have free, excellent health care with lower costs because that is the law of the land.
 
j-mac said:
So you think that Teachers, Police, and Firefighters are "the Working poor?" :lamo
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Some are, yes. Most aren't getting rich, and they have been targeted by Fox and others as leaches and the like. However, read the part you but in bold. Allow me to highlight a key word:

. . . . OR . . .
 
jonny5 said:
The fire didnt bleed over because I put it out. But you have yet to explain how my health is your problem. Youre just repeating the same thing, that it is.
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Sure you did. All by yourself. Sure you did. :lamo:lamo:lamo

No, i've mentioned how health is a community concern many times. Disease often spreads. And poverty breeds disease. If we allow a number to go untreated, uncared for, what they catch and let grow will leave them and move to all in the community.

Even things as relatively minor as H1N1 influenza virus can spread very quickly and result in deaths. Imagine something worse. It can spread over into your life as fast as a fire.
 
Boo Radley said:
Some are, yes. Most aren't getting rich, and they have been targeted by Fox and others as leaches and the like. However, read the part you but in bold. Allow me to highlight a key word:

. . . . OR . . .
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So they are "the working poor' because they aren't getting rich?

Have you a link to Fox News where they are targeting police, firemen or teachers?
 
Boo Radley said:
Some are, yes. Most aren't getting rich, and they have been targeted by Fox and others as leaches and the like. However, read the part you but in bold. Allow me to highlight a key word:

. . . . OR . . .
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Oh, wow, "targeted by Fox and others as leaches?" Project much, my little leftwing friend? How about you setting the salaries of all employees in the country by telling private and public sector business what they should pay. I am sure you are an expert on cost analysis and business in general so you know what the profit demand is for business and the public sector.
 
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