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Reid says Obamacare just a step toward eventual single-payer system[W:1539]

Conservative said:
Apparently you left out the answer, why do we need another Federal Entitlement program?
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That is three in a row today (liberals that refuse to answer a direct question) what is it with them that they just can't have an honest conversation?
 
Originally Posted by zimmer
Anyone with a half brain knew ObamaKare was merely a step towards the Socialists of Amerika Partei's (SAPs) ultimate goal.

It's a prime example of the party of Lies & Deceit. They pass the bill using parliamentary procedures, their Top Hag Frau Pelosi tells us we have to sign it and then read it... Scott Brown wins Dead Kennedy's seat in MA in an effort to stop the idiocy, and now, years later they reveal their real goal.

The SAPs really do reflect their Rotten to the Core Royalty... The Felonious Clintons. .
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apdst said:
I've been saying that, all along.
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:) I guess you have half a brain then, congratulations. Takes a big person to admit that.
 
Conservative said:
Living in poverty gives you access to Medicaid or other state programs. You do not need a Federal Program to handle those in the states with problems. Again, why hasn't your state implemented a UHC like MA?
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Please. They weren't being handled. And the states right have not dealt with health in most states effectively. UHC would do the job better.
 
Boo Radley said:
Please. They weren't being handled. And the states right have not dealt with health in most states effectively. UHC would do the job better.
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That is your opinion and certainly not your responsibility. We live in a country of 50 sovereign states and if the states aren't doing the job then it is up to the citizens to solve the problem, not the Federal Govt. Every state is different and has different cost structures including tax structures. The one size fits all Federal Program will be no different than Medicare and SS which is a huge unfunded liability. If you want a UHC then work through your state. There is no need for another Federal entitlement program in a country with a 17 trillion dollar debt.

You don't seem to comprehend that this is a state issue since state residents pay for the uninsured. The Federal bureaucrats have brainwashed you into believing they have the solutions. The solutions rest in the states with the doctors, the citizens, and the state govt.
 
Conservative said:
That is your opinion and certainly not your responsibility. We live in a country of 50 sovereign states and if the states aren't doing the job then it is up to the citizens to solve the problem, not the Federal Govt. Every state is different and has different cost structures including tax structures. The one size fits all Federal Program will be no different than Medicare and SS which is a huge unfunded liability. If you want a UHC then work through your state. There is no need for another Federal entitlement program in a country with a 17 trillion dollar debt.

You don't seem to comprehend that this is a state issue since state residents pay for the uninsured. The Federal bureaucrats have brainwashed you into believing they have the solutions. The solutions rest in the states with the doctors, the citizens, and the state govt.
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The states are not completely sovereign. There are both state issues and federal issues.
 
Boo Radley said:
The states are not completely sovereign. There are both state issues and federal issues.
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Yes, but since healthcare is a personal responsibility it should rest where it is closest to the people. You have yet to give a valid reason why we need another Federal Entitlement program taking power away from the people of the states who currently are paying most of the uninsured bills. For some reason you believe that responsibility lies with the Federal Govt. and another question which you won't answer is why? If the people of the state aren't willing to provide UHC, why should the Federal Govt. force it on them?
 
Conservative said:
Yes, but since healthcare is a personal responsibility it should rest where it is closest to the people. You have yet to give a valid reason why we need another Federal Entitlement program taking power away from the people of the states who currently are paying most of the uninsured bills. For some reason you believe that responsibility lies with the Federal Govt. and another question which you won't answer is why? If the people of the state aren't willing to provide UHC, why should the Federal Govt. force it on them?
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Like fire and police, it is also a communal issue.
 
Conservative said:
The Federal Govt. doesn't pay for the fire or police. You really need to learn what your taxes fund.
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Mostly correct, though the states do get federal dollars for them, and there are some federal regulations. But it states were found to not address those issues over an extended period of time, as with healthcare, and people fought to get the Feds to address it, bet the Feds would.
 
Boo Radley said:
Mostly correct, though the states do get federal dollars for them, and there are some federal regulations. But it states were found to not address those issues over an extended period of time, as with healthcare, and people fought to get the Feds to address it, bet the Feds would.
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That my friend is the responsibility of the citizens of the state, not yours or anyone else at the Federal level. Your problem is you cannot sell it so like with all other things you want, if you cannot get it done at the state level you demand the Federal Govt. do it. The minority fought to get the Feds involved and apparently the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Sorry but like you those who believe UHC at the Federal Level are brainwashed and ignore results.
 
Boo Radley said:
Who do think kept them employed through this last recession?
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That is your opinion, what the stimulus did was bailout teacher's unions, not police and fire departments. Not sure where you get your information but seems to me you lack a basic civics education as to the real role of the Federal Govt.
 
Conservative said:
That is your opinion, what the stimulus did was bailout teacher's unions, not police and fire departments. Not sure where you get your information but seems to me you lack a basic civics education as to the real role of the Federal Govt.
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your constant critique of others
 
NIMBY said:
your constant critique of others
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Call it like I see it, show me that you understand basic civics and tell me the role of the Federal Govt and do you believe it is the role of the Federal taxpayer to fund your teachers, police, fire departments?
 
Do you believe the Federal government should help Detroit as it helped the Big Three?
And how is that mess in California that Brown has cleaned up from Gov. family values?
And tough luck with General Powell. And Jim Sensenbrenner.
Conservative said:
Call it like I see it, show me that you understand basic civics and tell me the role of the Federal Govt and do you believe it is the role of the Federal taxpayer to fund your teachers, police, fire departments?
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NIMBY said:
Do you believe the Federal government should help Detroit as it helped the Big Three?
And how is that mess in California that Brown has cleaned up from Gov. family values?
And tough luck with General Powell. And Jim Sensenbrenner.
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No, I don't and the Federal govt. didn't help the Big Three, only GM/Chrysler and they shouldn't have done it as GM still owes the taxpayers billions and Chrysler is owned by Italy
 
And General Powell and Republican Congressman Sensenbrenner on Voting Rights??
Conservative said:
No, I don't and the Federal govt. didn't help the Big Three, only GM/Chrysler and they shouldn't have done it as GM still owes the taxpayers billions and Chrysler is owned by Italy
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Conservative said:
That is your opinion, what the stimulus did was bailout teacher's unions, not police and fire departments. Not sure where you get your information but seems to me you lack a basic civics education as to the real role of the Federal Govt.
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Facts:

“If I had to wait for the money later in the year, it would be too late,” Mr. Coleman said, noting that he had to close a budget gap of nearly $100 million. “I had a very narrow window of opportunity.”

The urgency, he said, was not that crime was getting worse — Columbus ranks as the eighth most dangerous city in the country of cities with a population of 700,000 or more — but that if people didn’t feel safe, they wouldn’t invest in the city. “It’s easier to create jobs when it’s safe,” he said.

William L. Scott, 35, is one of the immediate beneficiaries. He is one of the 25 police recruits who were sworn in Friday. On Thursday he said he was crushed when he was laid off, having moved to Columbus from the Dayton area specifically for the police job. He was looking for other police work when word came that the jobs were saved.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/07/us/politics/07states.html
 
NIMBY said:
And General Powell and Republican Congressman Sensenbrenner on Voting Rights??
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What about voting rights? You don't believe someone should have a photo ID to vote? Sorry, I do especially today when you need an ID for just about everything
 
Boo Radley said:
Facts:

“If I had to wait for the money later in the year, it would be too late,” Mr. Coleman said, noting that he had to close a budget gap of nearly $100 million. “I had a very narrow window of opportunity.”

The urgency, he said, was not that crime was getting worse — Columbus ranks as the eighth most dangerous city in the country of cities with a population of 700,000 or more — but that if people didn’t feel safe, they wouldn’t invest in the city. “It’s easier to create jobs when it’s safe,” he said.

William L. Scott, 35, is one of the immediate beneficiaries. He is one of the 25 police recruits who were sworn in Friday. On Thursday he said he was crushed when he was laid off, having moved to Columbus from the Dayton area specifically for the police job. He was looking for other police work when word came that the jobs were saved.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/07/us/politics/07states.html
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Oh, Good Lord, Boo, you really are nothing more than a big central govt. liberal where personal responsibility doesn't exist and the Federal taxpayer should bail even you out of poor choices you make. Sorry, that isn't what made this country great. Police, fire, and teachers are funded by state taxes, Obama bought union votes by his use of Federal funds to "save" jobs without even giving the states the opportunity to do it. That is a state responsibility, not a federal one. You live in the wrong country.
 
Conservative said:
What about voting rights? You don't believe someone should have a photo ID to vote? Sorry, I do especially today when you need an ID for just about everything
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Chalk one up for smaller government!:lamo
 
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Conservative said:
You don't believe someone should have a photo ID to vote?
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You'll look forever before you find I said this. Is this part of dishonesty schtick? How about Powell and Sensenbrenner? Why can'tor you answer that?
 
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