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Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016 [W:72]

sangha said:
From the links:



Daily Kos: That Liberal Scumbag - Barry Goldwater

The first sentence:


Written by the noted liberal "Six Degrees of Aaron" :roll:


Why Do GOP Bosses Fear Ron Paul? | The Nation



Didn't see anything that suggested a pining for Goldwater or Ike, or suggested that Nixon or bush* were moderate

No point in wasting my time by going further. I'm disappointed. I don't remember you ever posting such delusional nonsense before.
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You don't like to address the main characteristics of the trope:

1) The current iteration is a shadow of its former self

2) A return to this brand of opponent will be much appreciated, either because it is right or because it would mean they are sensible again.

3) Remove fancy with certain figure or group when that person or group returns to power.

If you read the links, they either embrace that view, or discuss those who do.

It's a common ploy. Romney and other Republicans did the same with Bill And Hillary Clinton. They made them the sensible liberals who could talk to conservatives, despite these and many other Republicans expressed disdain for them, either in the past or in the present. Once Obama is out of the picture, fear mongering of the Clinton's will renew once more (as it already has with Bengazi).
 
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Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016

j-mac said:
Oh, but I think there is a sort of Love/Hate thing there...Just as with Republicans that would be in place if Jeb Bush were to throw his hat in on that side of the isle....

See, on the one hand you have a totally recognizable name for the sheeple to rally around, but to those in the know, are we not tired of this repeating cycle of ordained elites in American political life?

I know I am...The talk of Bush running, just makes me shake my head....

Look, if/when Hillary throws her hat in again, she will be the nominee, that much I know....And so does anyone else that even has a pulse. I am just saying that it would be horrible for the country.
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I think folks would have taken your thread much more seriously had you just said electing the nation's 45th president from the "dynasty-class" might not be such a good idea instead of attempting to make the results of the Rasmussen poll out to be something more than it was.
 
Fiddytree said:
You don't like to address the main characteristics of the trope:

1) The current iteration is a shadow of its former self

2) A return to this brand of opponent will be much appreciated

3) Remove fancy with certain figure or group when that person or group returns to power.

If you read the links, they either embrace that view, or discuss those who do.
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I did not see any evidence to support your claim that "When Bush was in office, it was not uncommon for liberals to pine for the return principled of small government conservatism of Goldwater and the budgetary constraints Eisenhower placed on the military" or that liberals are now " even starting to revisit Nixon and George W. Bush and think them decent and moderate,"

Try to defend what you claimed, and not try to paraphrase your own words in order to water them down
 
j-mac said:
And here I thought repub's were having trouble with splits it their party....Demo's seem to be conflicted even within their own thoughts....
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The important thing to remember about Democrats is that over 97% of the people living in Detroit voted for Barrack Obama during the last Presidential election. When the educated Whites and Blacks jumped ship all you had left was Democrats, and these same people will be voting for the Democrat candidate in the next Presidential election no matter what their experience, ability or record. This is the real threat to the stability of the United States.
 
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notquiteright said:
I agree that educations occur as much outside a university's campus as in it. Over educated is one of two things- far more qualified for a position than it requires or far more 'stuff' was poured into too small a vessel.

Take the ACA part of your post. If you had either an education or experience in this you'd know we are already paying for 'everyone'. Those who are uninsured boost the fees both hospitals and doctors charge to recoup that loss. WE PAY THAT. People who use the ER room for simple primary health care and skip out on the bill... WE PAY THAT. You personally may not be at the moment, another sign of a lack of experience, due to parents or something, perhaps you feel young, strong and invincible and don't think you need to worry about such things.

You might be both under-educated. Reagan didn't run on 60% is good, he ran on those bad ol' liberals spending our grandchildren's futures through ever increasing social programs. (He spent their future on unfunded government programs we still have not paid for) He ran on reducing the size of government but increased it in size and number manpower. He ran on reducing taxes but quietly increased taxes and fees through his two terms in office.

So you see my young student you seem to be as defensive and forgetful of St. Ronald's two terms in office. You seem as enamored with south bite rhetoric as your fellow students...
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No no. You can't say Obama gets a free pass on spending just because presidents like Reagan and Bush ran deficits.
It's entirely different to run a deficit up yo 60% as opposed to 100%.
I wasn't alive when Reagan was president, so I couldn't care what he "ran on"
The fact is our deficits werent a problem under reagan, but they are becoming a problem now

And no Im not going to take out the part about the PPACA. No **** we pay for other people's health care. And that is the problem. I wouldn't hate the laws so much if it had a mandate that came with more flexible underwriting. But no, the law tightens underwriting doubling the cost for new buyers of health insurance, whom are mostly young and healthy. Maybe if you had a university education you'd see the issue with forcing someone to buy something then jacking up their prices 100%.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016

Manc Skipper said:
Seems the voters who don't want Hillary are the Republican ones.
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Well... she was far and away the favorite in 2008... and you folks dumped her for the first circus act you could find.

Really... what Obama had accomplished is even less than coattail sitting Hillary, and Obama had even as many or more unsavory characters around him than The Clintons had.

You folks dumped Hillary in 2008, and my bet is you'll crap upon her again. That's why I lovingly call Frau Clinton... The Sewage Plant. She has decades of experience processing raw feces.
 
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zimmer said:
Well... she was far and away the favorite in 2008... and you folks dumped her for the first circus act you could find.

Really... what Obama had accomplished is even less than coattail sitting Hillary, and Obama had even as many or more unsavory characters around him than The Clintons had.

You folks dumped Hillary in 2008, and my bet is you'll crap upon her again. That's why I lovingly call Frau Clinton... The Sewage Plant. She has decades of experience processing raw feces.
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Candidate Obama wasn't a circus act. I remember his electrifying 2004 convention speech. I generally don't watch much of either party's convention coverage because it's more pleasant to read later. (Delegates are just a little too euphoric and silly sometimes for me--crazy hats and etc.)
But I remember Obama's speech because I was so drawn in that I sat down and listened and thought to myself, "There's the new star of the Democrat Party."

And so he was. I don't want to derail the discussion into an analysis of his failures or successes. But I surely agree that he has "unsavory characters" hanging around, by which I mean the Van Jones and Zeke Emanuel and only who knows how many other scary advisors.

Anyway,Hillary was done wrong, IMO. Here is a progressive site that disagrees: OpEdNews - Article: The Myth of Hillary's Mistreatment
 
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nota bene said:
Candidate Obama wasn't a circus act. I remember his electrifying 2004 convention speech. I generally don't watch much of either party's convention coverage because it's more pleasant to read later. (Delegates are just a little too euphoric and silly sometimes for me--crazy hats and etc.)
But I remember Obama's speech because I was so drawn in that I sat down and listened and thought to myself, "There's the new star of the Democrat Party."

And so he was. I don't want to derail the discussion into an analysis of his failures or successes. But I surely agree that he has "unsavory characters" hanging around, by which I mean the Van Jones and Zeke Emanuel and only who knows how many other scary advisors.

Anyway,Hillary was done wrong, IMO. Here is a progressive site that disagrees: OpEdNews - Article: The Myth of Hillary's Mistreatment
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An interesting article might also be "The Myth of Hilary's Accomplishments". Are there any?
 
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Grand Mal said:
You wish.
As empty as the Democratic basket has become, the fact is they represent more Americans than the Republicans do. You guys have let yourselves become the party of white men and their wives. The Dems could run Woody Harrelson and Oprah Winfrey, in any order, and the Repubs wouldn't have an answer.
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That's because 51+ percent of this country is now made up of Neanderthals who aren't worth spit in a bucket. You're winning eletions, but your lives are growing poorer and more pathetic by the day. Your too dense to even understand that.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016

zimmer said:
Well... she was far and away the favorite in 2008... and you folks dumped her for the first circus act you could find.

Really... what Obama had accomplished is even less than coattail sitting Hillary, and Obama had even as many or more unsavory characters around him than The Clintons had.

You folks dumped Hillary in 2008, and my bet is you'll crap upon her again. That's why I lovingly call Frau Clinton... The Sewage Plant. She has decades of experience processing raw feces.
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LOL and you cons didn't do the same with Romney? How conservative really was Romney? Not very at all. You have no room to talk about "dumping" a politician since YOUR side did that with every conserative that came along.
 
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TheNextEra said:
LOL and you cons didn't do the same with Romney? How conservative really was Romney? Not very at all. You have no room to talk about "dumping" a politician since YOUR side did that with every conserative that came along.
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That's a fair point, and something I have been saying for cycle, after cycle. We conservatives are too meek when it comes to not listening to our political enemies when it comes to elections....We always try to run to the middle to win the sloppy seconds of the demo party when they are done pissing them off. If we look at our history we do much better when we run solid principled, and conservative campaigns based on real conservative ideas. Because it has been proven time and time again, that progressives can only come up with platitudes, and deception, and attack of dissenters....
 
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TheNextEra said:
LOL and you cons didn't do the same with Romney? How conservative really was Romney? Not very at all. You have no room to talk about "dumping" a politician since YOUR side did that with every conserative that came along.
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HUH? What gibberish is that?

Romney never had a coronation... and Romney ran a state, had success is business (though I'll have to say Hillary's cattle futures trades were what 1 to 10,000... she missed her calling... she should have been an investor. She would have made Buffett/Munger look like amateurs... ROTFLOL). Typical Crime Family stuff.

This has zip to do with Hillary... Romney isn't a Conservative, and Conservatives knew it. We wanted a conservative.
 
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nota bene said:
Candidate Obama wasn't a circus act.
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It was the ultimate show, from his drawled aout speeech in Sel-ma...to the fainting clan members and Greek Columns. It was Jimmy Swaggert goes political and the press were his apostles spreading the word. The only thing missing was the women with the beard.

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I remember his electrifying 2004 convention speech. I generally don't watch much of either party's convention coverage because it's more pleasant to read later. (Delegates are just a little too euphoric and silly sometimes for me--crazy hats and etc.)
But I remember Obama's speech because I was so drawn in that I sat down and listened and thought to myself, "There's the new star of the Democrat Party."
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Oh... he reads a pretty telepromteur.

Unfotunately his execution de la telepromteur is so repetitive (it's like he has one gear), it has degraded the value of that book reading in 2004. If that speech was one of a dozen or two, leftists would marvel at that moment, but after hearing his dronings we now know there is no there there.
And so he was. I don't want to derail the discussion into an analysis of his failures or successes. But I surely agree that he has "unsavory characters" hanging around, by which I mean the Van Jones and Zeke Emanuel and only who knows how many other scary advisors.
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It's who Obama is.

Anyway,Hillary was done wrong, IMO. Here is a progressive site that disagrees: OpEdNews - Article: The Myth of Hillary's Mistreatment
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The Left dumped Hillary at the first opportunity that came their way. She's doesn't "deserve" anything. But we do. She can start by telling America the truth about Benghazi. It matters.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016

TheNextEra said:
LOL and you cons didn't do the same with Romney? How conservative really was Romney? Not very at all. You have no room to talk about "dumping" a politician since YOUR side did that with every conserative that came along.
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Over 97% of the people of Detroit voted for Obama in the last election and it was the same people with the same economic and political understandings who voted for him on a national level. Once is forgivable but twice borders on the criminal.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016

TheNextEra said:
LOL and you cons didn't do the same with Romney? How conservative really was Romney? Not very at all. You have no room to talk about "dumping" a politician since YOUR side did that with every conserative that came along.
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Romney was the more mature, experienced, knowledgeable and intelligent candidate and I believe most Americans who want the best for their country, and not necessarily for their political party, would dearly love a do-over.
 
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Grant said:
Romney was the more mature, experienced, knowledgeable and intelligent candidate and I believe most Americans who want the best for their country, and not necessarily for their political party, would dearly love a do-over.
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Only if Romney would get different advisors that understood what a cheap fraud, and outright liar their opponent, and his minions in the press were.
 
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Grant said:
Romney was the more mature, experienced, knowledgeable and intelligent candidate
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And the only one decent, honest and forthright enough to come straight out and say he had no intention of representing 47% of the population.
 
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j-mac said:
Only if Romney would get different advisors that understood what a cheap fraud, and outright liar their opponent, and his minions in the press were.
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Excuses, excuses, excuses. So much for reasonable responsibility yet again. :coffeepap


That wasn't just for j. Just used his as a representative sample.:2wave:
 
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pbrauer said:
Hillary Clinton is the Democrat voters most want to see win her party’s presidential nomination in 2016 – and least want to see win that nomination, too.
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wasn't this mentioned in the OP?

Not sure I see the spin
 
Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016

j-mac said:
Only if Romney would get different advisors that understood what a cheap fraud, and outright liar their opponent, and his minions in the press were.
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I agree. Only one side was playing hard ball.

But, and I hesitate saying this, they may have overestimated the intelligence of the American electorate. Too many Republicans and Independents just stayed home. That was very irresponsible and, knowing what the stakes were, somewhat unpatriotic as well.
 
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Grendel said:
And the only one decent, honest and forthright enough to come straight out and say he had no intention of representing 47% of the population.
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And for that you voted against him and decided that Obama was your man? You certainly prioritized issues.
 
Re: Hillary Clinton tops list of Dems voters don't want in 2016

Grant said:
And for that you voted against him and decided that Obama was your man? You certainly prioritized issues.
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The guy wanted to be President of half the country. We really don't need that.
 
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Grendel said:
And the only one decent, honest and forthright enough to come straight out and say he had no intention of representing 47% of the population.
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For people that constantly whine about 'context' when their own politicians get caught saying utterly stupid stuff, Liberals sure have NO problem pulling quotes out of context, throwing them on the floor, and stepping all over them...

The guy wanted to be President of half the country. We really don't need that.
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Are you talking about Obama here? Because if you think that Obama represents, or cares about me other than to send his IRS, EPA, FBI, DoJ, and any other agency he has at his disposal, after me, then you probably have a bridge for sale too.
 
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Boo Radley said:
Excuses, excuses, excuses. So much for reasonable responsibility yet again. :coffeepap


That wasn't just for j. Just used his as a representative sample.:2wave:
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Not making excuses...It really was Romney's to take, but he lost because he was out done by what I think will go down in history as the most dishonest campaign in recent memory in this country.
 
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