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My apologies for the late response.

FFS Kush, defined using who's definition ?

A toxic MBS is one that has collapsed in terms of price due to an interruption of cash flows owed to the security (default). Remember, F&F nearly went under due to a collapse in the housing market (which degenerated the value of their mortgage security portfolio) forcing immense write downs in conjunction with a dramatic spike in loan-loss-reserves. As an emergency measure and with the company already in receivership with the U.S. Treasury, they did purchase (at the market bottom) billions of toxic MBS's. Did F&F put forth enough due-diligence with respects to analyzing the loans they were purchasing? Nope! A most serious risk management failure. Now days, they no longer rely on ratings agencies to assure the values of the assets they purchase.

Secondly, F&F were prohibited from purchasing sub-prime mortgage backed securities, the product of Wall Street; which is why they are due billions of dollars in settlements from a plethora of private lenders.

The one that mitigates the actions of Fannie Mae as they lowered their standards year after year after year, buying up more loans with less and less capital requirements and eventually getting into NINA loans right when their regulator was warning Congress in 2004 of their impending doom ?

WTF are you talking about, lowering standards? F&F are underwriters, they do not set the standards for lending. Who the lender decides to lend to is up to the actual.... lender. No-Income/No-Asset loans would be prohibited from F&F's mortgage security portfolio. Why on earth did Citi agree to pay Fannie $850 million?

Your'e arguing that anything outside of prime was ok, with the small exception of ARMS...

WTF are you talking about?

Well then how in the f*** did we have a systemic market collapse Kush ?

Not entertaining your strawman.

So your'e telling me that the 40 billion a month of MBSs our FED is now purchasing are all ARMs?

Where did i say such a thing? Show me.

And the 5 TRILLION that got transfered over to our Treasury from Fannie and Freddie consist solely of fixed rate mortgages ?

Another instance of putting words in my mouth.

Because that was the baseDEFINITION of a CRA loan.

CRA loans are about zip codes! It has nothing to do with low income borrowers, only low income neighborhoods. Now, it is true that potential low-income borrowers live in CRA districts. It's just that CRA loans were less likely to default relative to non-CRA loans of similar risk.

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And yes, Fannie Mae started this sh** in 1997 and by 2000.

Nope! Private lenders and their special investment vehicles started this mess; issuing short term debt and then lending the proceeds to mortgage originators. The SIV's would then package the debt into specific securities and sell them as mortgage bonds. Sometimes F&F would purchase them, but during the bubble years it was primarily the likes of Goldman Sachs, Bear Stearns, Morgan Stanley, Merryl Lynch, Lehman, etc....

Not to be left out: the same investment banks mentioned above were also heavily active in the mortgage securitization market, often creating exotic instruments e.g. synthetic MBS's (securities composed entirely of credit derivatives, or credit default swaps). You see, it is the synthetic assets that did the most damage because they were highly leveraged on their very foundations, not to mention the fact that IB's were purchasing them on margin. As the value of the asset falls, the asset that derives its value based on the volatility of underlying asset will rise or fall exponentially.

Of course, there were a few people who took the short sides of these positions. Think Hank Paulson. Hell, even Goldman settled on allegations it held short positions prior to selling investors long positions on various MBS, and not disclosing it.

Hell by 2008 Fannie and Freddie held over 70% of all crap mortages or MBSs backed by crap mortgages.

Even if we assume your figure is true, it still does not attest as to how these mortgages came into existence. Why were lenders purposefully creating risky mortgages and passing them off as low risk investments? That is the very definition of fraud. That's right, I'll ask again! Even if we assume F&F were just a couple of bonehead companies blindly buying up any mortgage they could, why was the market saturated with such fraud?

But in reality:

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My apologies for the late response.




A toxic MBS is one that has collapsed in terms of price due to an interruption of cash flows owed to the security (default). Remember, F&F nearly went under due to a collapse in the housing market (which degenerated the value of their mortgage security portfolio) forcing immense write downs in conjunction with a dramatic spike in loan-loss-reserves. As an emergency measure and with the company already in receivership with the U.S. Treasury, they did purchase (at the market bottom) billions of toxic MBS's. Did F&F put forth enough due-diligence with respects to analyzing the loans they were purchasing? Nope! A most serious risk management failure. Now days, they no longer rely on ratings agencies to assure the values of the assets they purchase.

Secondly, F&F were prohibited from purchasing sub-prime mortgage backed securities, the product of Wall Street; which is why they are due billions of dollars in settlements from a plethora of private lenders.



WTF are you talking about, lowering standards? F&F are underwriters, they do not set the standards for lending. Who the lender decides to lend to is up to the actual.... lender. No-Income/No-Asset loans would be prohibited from F&F's mortgage security portfolio. Why on earth did Citi agree to pay Fannie $850 million?



WTF are you talking about?



Not entertaining your strawman.



Where did i say such a thing? Show me.



Another instance of putting words in my mouth.



CRA loans are about zip codes! It has nothing to do with low income borrowers, only low income neighborhoods. Now, it is true that potential low-income borrowers live in CRA districts. It's just that CRA loans were less likely to default relative to non-CRA loans of similar risk.

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Nope! Private lenders and their special investment vehicles started this mess; issuing short term debt and then lending the proceeds to mortgage originators. The SIV's would then package the debt into specific securities and sell them as mortgage bonds. Sometimes F&F would purchase them, but during the bubble years it was primarily the likes of Goldman Sachs, Bear Stearns, Morgan Stanley, Merryl Lynch, Lehman, etc....

Not to be left out: the same investment banks mentioned above were also heavily active in the mortgage securitization market, often creating exotic instruments e.g. synthetic MBS's (securities composed entirely of credit derivatives, or credit default swaps). You see, it is the synthetic assets that did the most damage because they were highly leveraged on their very foundations, not to mention the fact that IB's were purchasing them on margin. As the value of the asset falls, the asset that derives its value based on the volatility of underlying asset will rise or fall exponentially.

Of course, there were a few people who took the short sides of these positions. Think Hank Paulson. Hell, even Goldman settled on allegations it held short positions prior to selling investors long positions on various MBS, and not disclosing it.



Even if we assume your figure is true, it still does not attest as to how these mortgages came into existence. Why were lenders purposefully creating risky mortgages and passing them off as low risk investments? That is the very definition of fraud. That's right, I'll ask again! Even if we assume F&F were just a couple of bonehead companies blindly buying up any mortgage they could, why was the market saturated with such fraud?

But in reality:

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No reason to apologize Kush, I knew you would get around to it.

With out diving back into the rabble and repeating myself I'll just reiterate my initial premise of what started the whole ball a rollin'.

Govt policies that lowered underwriting standards based on the false pretense of " redlining ".

Was there private malfeasance and corruption ? Hell yes.

If a Governemnt enables the issue of easy money and easy credit and then pumps Trillions into a market created for the sole purpose of addressing some false narrative of social and economic justice then there is a good chance every slimey character in the investment markets
is going to take advantage of it.

What I've tried to show was that Government corruption and private corruption went hand in hand and the existence of the secondary market actually depended on it.

It gets old listening to people go on and on over the evil bankers as they elect politicians who were just as if not more complicit int the creation of the sub-prime market.

Bill Clinton, Janet Reno, Chris Dodd, Bzrney Frank, Andrew Cuomo, Maxine Waters, Franklin Raines, the 72 Democrats that penned a letter to George Bush warning him not to regulate Fannie. Angelo Mozillo, Eric Holder, Obama Valerie Jarret, ACORN, Henrey Cisneros, Jamie Gorelick, Chuck Schumer, Artur Davis....

It goes on and on and on..

You want to nail the bankers ? With out the actions of the people I just named the bankers would have NEVER been able to take advantage of the Sub-Prime Market.

The rules had to be changed first Kush, mandated changes from Clintons 1995 National Homeowners Strategy had to occur first before any greedy investment banker could start through putting Trillions in MBSs backed by low quality loans.
 
Thank you, Comrade, do you have a solution? Please cite your sources when you say many Walmart employees qualify for welfare and who are those employees? How long do they qualify and what exactly is the wage structure for Walmart? You make some wild claims yet offer no proof other than opinion pieces of others. Find out exactly what Walmart employees make from the Walmart site and you will find out exactly who makes what and for what period of time.

I know conservative communists exist in the membership in the Communist Party, but I didn't realize you were a member. Else why use the term Comrade when addressing anyone? Unfortunately I am neither a communist nor a Marxist so I cannot return the favor. :)

Strangely though, as you are probably well-aware, the Federal government does not track welfare beyond the basic statistics indicating there are 47 million Americans on Food Stamps and 4.3 million on full or partial Welfare. Thankfully a number of state do, and here are some facts in support you asked for or can find for yourself:

Ohio information: January 2012 shows Wal-Mart employees top the chart in Food Stamp recipients 14,799, employed Welfare recipients 803, and Medicaid 16,908. https://docs.google.com/file/d/1nis...Xwuve9mJW9SQPucu0Gtz/edit?usp=drive_web&pli=1

In a 24 State survey of Medicaid enrollment Wal-Mart led the pack of businesses whose employees used that system in all of them except Vermont. Hidden Taxpayer Costs | Good Jobs First

More facts can be found here (at least as of November 2012) if you are willing to follow the sources cited. Please IGNORE quotes in the article made by Mr. Alan Grayson. My point is not to support his political position. PolitiFact | Alan Grayson says more Walmart employees on Medicaid, food stamps than other companies

BTW, in case you think only “liberals and commies” think this way (and I am neither), here is an article from one of your ultra-conservative bloggers:

The Walmart Welfare Queen - AND Magazine The Case for Conservatives Against WalMart

I know this is hard for you to understand but not all people in this country even have a mortgage and many bought homes they couldn't afford. As a Libertarian do you believe it is the taxpayer's responsibility to provide you with a home for where to you think the govt. gets its money?

No I do not believe taxpayers have any such responsibility. I am also well-aware that most Americans do not own their own homes. I was merely replying to another member who cited home ownership in his response for some reason.

And as a shopper that bothers you? Walmart ….where they are they raise the standard of living because small businesses cannot pay the wages and benefits that Walmart can. I competed against Walmart and understand them much better than the articles you are quoting and the rhetoric you are buying.

Really? Now it’s time to turn the table around and ask you to provide YOUR citations to support these “facts.” I provided mine in that film you ignored. Hopefully you won’t try to use Wal-Mart P.R. propaganda to refute it.

Open the want ads in your community and tell me there aren't pages of job openings? When you have a President that is demonizing the private sector and promoting massive govt. dependence there is no incentive for the private sector to grow and create jobs. Regulations that prevent offshore drilling, the Keystone pipeline, refinery construction. plants from moving into communities because they are non union, high state and local taxes all prevent growth.

Here I am using figures provided by the government, which are lower than the ones I would prefer using since I don’t believe our economists or government are addressing Hidden Unemployment. So the U-3 figures I am using are the LEAST number of unemployed still seeking work for all jobs currently available in the USA (absent a couple hundred thousand seasonal farm jobs).

Are you trying to claim that there would not be AT LEAST 7.6 million American job seekers still out of work even after filling every single available job in the current US job market?!?! I’d say there would be MILLIONS more, using the figures I think are ignored in Hidden unemployment.

Walmart is one company that employees hundreds of thousands in a nation of 312 million. I have seen a lot of anti Walmart films and none of them really address reality and refute my 35 years of business experience.

They are indisputably the biggest retail employer in the USA. They are also the most rapacious, conniving, and economically destructive retail employer too. Facts are facts, whether you choose to ignore them or not.

IMO the long-term effects of this type of business model will eventually undermine our already shaky economy. That is just an opinion of course. However to make my final point clear, aside from minimum wage laws I really don’t dabble in government control of business. I advocate businesses act with enlightened self-interest. When they don’t, as in the case of Wal-Mart, I would support local citizens taking action like that in the film to keep Wal-Mart out of their local economy.
 
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I know conservative communists exist in the membership in the Communist Party, but I didn't realize you were a member. Else why use the term Comrade when addressing anyone? Unfortunately I am neither a communist nor a Marxist so I cannot return the favor. :)

Strangely though, as you are probably well-aware, the Federal government does not track welfare beyond the basic statistics indicating there are 47 million Americans on Food Stamps and 4.3 million on full or partial Welfare. Thankfully a number of state do, and here are some facts in support you asked for or can find for yourself:

Ohio information: January 2012 shows Wal-Mart employees top the chart in Food Stamp recipients 14,799, employed Welfare recipients 803, and Medicaid 16,908. https://docs.google.com/file/d/1nis...Xwuve9mJW9SQPucu0Gtz/edit?usp=drive_web&pli=1

In a 24 State survey of Medicaid enrollment Wal-Mart led the pack of businesses whose employees used that system in all of them except Vermont. Hidden Taxpayer Costs | Good Jobs First

More facts can be found here (at least as of November 2012) if you are willing to follow the sources cited. Please IGNORE quotes in the article made by Mr. Alan Grayson. My point is not to support his political position. PolitiFact | Alan Grayson says more Walmart employees on Medicaid, food stamps than other companies

BTW, in case you think only “liberals and commies” think this way (and I am neither), here is an article from one of your ultra-conservative bloggers:

The Walmart Welfare Queen - AND Magazine The Case for Conservatives Against WalMart



No I do not believe taxpayers have any such responsibility. I am also well-aware that most Americans do not own their own homes. I was merely replying to another member who cited home ownership in his response for some reason.



Really? Now it’s time to turn the table around and ask you to provide YOUR citations to support these “facts.” I provided mine in that film you ignored. Hopefully you won’t try to use Wal-Mart P.R. propaganda to refute it.



Here I am using figures provided by the government, which are lower than the ones I would prefer using since I don’t believe our economists or government are addressing Hidden Unemployment. So the U-3 figures I am using are the LEAST number of unemployed still seeking work for all jobs currently available in the USA (absent a couple hundred thousand seasonal farm jobs).

Are you trying to claim that there would not be AT LEAST 7.6 million American job seekers still out of work even after filling every single available job in the current US job market?!?! I’d say there would be MILLIONS more, using the figures I think are ignored in Hidden unemployment.



They are indisputably the biggest retail employer in the USA. They are also the most rapacious, conniving, and economically destructive retail employer too. Facts are facts, whether you choose to ignore them or not.

IMO the long-term effects of this type of business model will eventually undermine our already shaky economy. That is just an opinion of course. However to make my final point clear, aside from minimum wage laws I really don’t dabble in government control of business. I advocate businesses act with enlightened self-interest. When they don’t, as in the case of Wal-Mart, I would support local citizens taking action like that in the film to keep Wal-Mart out of their local economy.

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Walmart is one company that employees hundreds of thousands in a nation of 312 million. I have seen a lot of anti Walmart films and none of them really address reality and refute my 35 years of business experience.

This part of cons post begs the question of how many good paying jobs did Walmart destroy when they were creating those low paying/gubmit sponsored jobs.

And what was the dollar loss due to the loss of the multiplier effect of the Corp. money fleeing the local economy?:2wave:
 
This part of cons post begs the question of how many good paying jobs did Walmart destroy when they were creating those low paying/gubmit sponsored jobs.

And what was the dollar loss due to the loss of the multiplier effect of the Corp. money fleeing the local economy?:2wave:

I'm curious to know exactly what business he runs that successfully "competes" with Wal-Mart, and if it is located in a rural or city site. There are a number of common franchises that co-exist with Wal-Mart because they are not really in competition.

For example, 7-11 convenience stores. They cater to the convenience market, people who are seeking a minor purchase and don't feel the need to go to Wal-Mart. Then there are Dunkin Donuts, McDonalds, and other food chains who served prepared fast food meals. There are tech reapair stores and auto-body repair shops, and many others that either don't or only partially compete with Wal-Mart. Again most of these businesses are service oriented.

Where are the common consumer item factories and local production retailers?

To paraphrase what several business owner's stated in the film I provided; don't mention Wal-Mart and American business in the same sentence, it's an oxy-moron. ;)
 
I'm curious to know exactly what business he runs that successfully "competes" with Wal-Mart, and if it is located in a rural or city site. There are a number of common franchises that co-exist with Wal-Mart because they are not really in competition.

For example, 7-11 convenience stores. They cater to the convenience market, people who are seeking a minor purchase and don't feel the need to go to Wal-Mart. Then there are Dunkin Donuts, McDonalds, and other food chains who served prepared fast food meals. There are tech reapair stores and auto-body repair shops, and many others that either don't or only partially compete with Wal-Mart. Again most of these businesses are service oriented.

Where are the common consumer item factories and local production retailers?

To paraphrase what several business owner's stated in the film I provided; don't mention Wal-Mart and American business in the same sentence, it's an oxy-moron. ;)

Con is retired,(sucken from the system he rails about day and night):mrgreen: he lives in Houston Tx.I believe he was a cube monkey at a large international petro chem corp.but don't hold me to that.:2wave:
 
Con is retired,(sucken from the system he
rails about day and night):mrgreen: he lives in Houston Tx.I believe he was a cube monkey at a large international petro chem corp.but don't hold me to that.:2wave:

Not Houston, PASADENA. PASADENA, TEXAS is a small city just EAST of Houston Texas and yes, it's filled with massive petro-chemical facilities.

BAYTOWN TEXAS, is ALSO EAST of Houston and is home to one of the LARGETS PETROCHEMICAL PLANTS IN THE US.

Houston ? Its one of the FEW Cities in America that has actually added jobs under this incompetent President.

Would it kill you to Google and not post arbitrary nonsense ?
 
BBC News - US employment up by 162,000 in July



The US economy added 162,000 new jobs in July.

This was below economists' expectations of more than 180,000 and the government also cut its previous estimates for hiring in May and June.

Nonetheless, the new jobs helped the unemployment rate to fall to 7.4%.





overall positive for the US economy hopefully this is a sign of recovery worldwide.




Hm. I look around me and frankly I'm not buying it. I suspect manipulated figures.
 
One thing about Houston, if there ever was a full on thermo-nuclear holocaust, those who live here would have to quickly accept that they would not be among the survivors.

This City and it's surrounding petro-chemical plants is ground zero for at least 5 - 40 megaton ICBMs.

But, I've learned to accept that unlikely actuallity, as this City has weathered through recession after and usually winds up taking in people from the plague Blue States and Cities.

After the Governments in those Cities, "sucked off the system" to the point of collapse.
 
<After analyzing data released by Wisconsin’s Medicaid program, the Democratic staff of the U.S. House Committee on Education and the Workforce estimates that a single 300- person Wal-Mart Supercenter store in Wisconsin likely costs taxpayers at least $904,542 per year and could cost taxpayers up to $1,744,590 per year – about $5,815 per employee.>

WOW! Wisconsin taxpayer’s are ponying up $904,542 per year for one Wal-Mart store. Kinda makes you wonder how much the tax payer is coughing up across the country eh con?:shock:


http://democrats.edworkforce.house....gov/files/documents/WalMartReport-May2013.pdf

Love liberal reports, the average Walmart average pay for a full time hourly employee is 12.40 per hour plus benefits. Want to tell me what a cashier job at Walmart is worth. Any idea how many make a lot more that that? tell me what is it about liberals like you who want to tell a private company what it should pay its workers.
 
Love liberal reports, the average Walmart average pay for a full time hourly employee is 12.40 per hour plus benefits. Want to tell me what a cashier job at Walmart is worth. Any idea how many make a lot more that that? tell me what is it about liberals like you who want to tell a private company what it should pay its workers.

No I don't have any idea how many more make more than that. So why don't you tell us?
 
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I know conservative communists exist in the membership in the Communist Party, but I didn't realize you were a member. Else why use the term Comrade when addressing anyone? Unfortunately I am neither a communist nor a Marxist so I cannot return the favor. :)

Strangely though, as you are probably well-aware, the Federal government does not track welfare beyond the basic statistics indicating there are 47 million Americans on Food Stamps and 4.3 million on full or partial Welfare. Thankfully a number of state do, and here are some facts in support you asked for or can find for yourself:

Ohio information: January 2012 shows Wal-Mart employees top the chart in Food Stamp recipients 14,799, employed Welfare recipients 803, and Medicaid 16,908. https://docs.google.com/file/d/1nis...Xwuve9mJW9SQPucu0Gtz/edit?usp=drive_web&pli=1

In a 24 State survey of Medicaid enrollment Wal-Mart led the pack of businesses whose employees used that system in all of them except Vermont. Hidden Taxpayer Costs | Good Jobs First

More facts can be found here (at least as of November 2012) if you are willing to follow the sources cited. Please IGNORE quotes in the article made by Mr. Alan Grayson. My point is not to support his political position. PolitiFact | Alan Grayson says more Walmart employees on Medicaid, food stamps than other companies

BTW, in case you think only “liberals and commies” think this way (and I am neither), here is an article from one of your ultra-conservative bloggers:

The Walmart Welfare Queen - AND Magazine The Case for Conservatives Against WalMart



No I do not believe taxpayers have any such responsibility. I am also well-aware that most Americans do not own their own homes. I was merely replying to another member who cited home ownership in his response for some reason.



Really? Now it’s time to turn the table around and ask you to provide YOUR citations to support these “facts.” I provided mine in that film you ignored. Hopefully you won’t try to use Wal-Mart P.R. propaganda to refute it.



Here I am using figures provided by the government, which are lower than the ones I would prefer using since I don’t believe our economists or government are addressing Hidden Unemployment. So the U-3 figures I am using are the LEAST number of unemployed still seeking work for all jobs currently available in the USA (absent a couple hundred thousand seasonal farm jobs).

Are you trying to claim that there would not be AT LEAST 7.6 million American job seekers still out of work even after filling every single available job in the current US job market?!?! I’d say there would be MILLIONS more, using the figures I think are ignored in Hidden unemployment.



They are indisputably the biggest retail employer in the USA. They are also the most rapacious, conniving, and economically destructive retail employer too. Facts are facts, whether you choose to ignore them or not.

IMO the long-term effects of this type of business model will eventually undermine our already shaky economy. That is just an opinion of course. However to make my final point clear, aside from minimum wage laws I really don’t dabble in government control of business. I advocate businesses act with enlightened self-interest. When they don’t, as in the case of Wal-Mart, I would support local citizens taking action like that in the film to keep Wal-Mart out of their local economy.

Suggest you not buy anything from Walmart and I know they will miss having you as a customer. Also go to any new Walmart and picket all the new potential employees waiting in line for a job and tell them they are getting screwed. You think that a small grocery store is going to pay the average Walmart wage of 12.40 per hour for a full time employee and offer benefits? Not sure what you do for a living but you have no concept of reality.

In addition businesses aren't in business to employ people, they are started by private citizens with the idea of making a profit. Making a profit often means hiring people and hires a lot of employees. Now if you want to pay people what you think they deserve then start your own business. How about telling me what a cashier at Walmart should make in your utopian world? What do you think Walmart does with its profits?
 
I'm curious to know exactly what business he runs that successfully "competes" with Wal-Mart, and if it is located in a rural or city site. There are a number of common franchises that co-exist with Wal-Mart because they are not really in competition.

For example, 7-11 convenience stores. They cater to the convenience market, people who are seeking a minor purchase and don't feel the need to go to Wal-Mart. Then there are Dunkin Donuts, McDonalds, and other food chains who served prepared fast food meals. There are tech reapair stores and auto-body repair shops, and many others that either don't or only partially compete with Wal-Mart. Again most of these businesses are service oriented.

Where are the common consumer item factories and local production retailers?

To paraphrase what several business owner's stated in the film I provided; don't mention Wal-Mart and American business in the same sentence, it's an oxy-moron. ;)

Do you understand what competing against Walmart means? EMPLOYEES!!
 
Con is retired,(sucken from the system he rails about day and night):mrgreen: he lives in Houston Tx.I believe he was a cube monkey at a large international petro chem corp.but don't hold me to that.:2wave:

LOL, "sucken from the system he rails against?" Now that is funny from you ho rails against capitalism in almost every post. Not so with me, I fully support it but unlike you I understand personal responsibility and the reality that businesses should be allowed to pay whatever the market will allow
 
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Hm. I look around me and frankly I'm not buying it. I suspect manipulated figures.

Gotta love conservatives. When given facts, they deny them based on what they want to be true. **** evidence, who needs it.
 
QUOTE Fenton

Not Houston, PASADENA. PASADENA, TEXAS is a small city just EAST of Houston Texas and yes, it's filled with massive petro-chemical facilities.

Better till con where he lives then.:lamo

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Would it kill you to Google and not post arbitrary nonsense ?


at least i know that Pasadena tx. is in the Houston metro area.:2wave:
 
Better till con where he lives then.:lamo

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at least i know that Pasadena tx. is in the Houston metro area.:2wave:

So Fenton got it right, Pasadena is an incorporated city east of Houston and is not governed by Houston. You have no idea what I did for a living but that doesn't stop you from speculating and showing just how little you know or understand.

And by the way I don't live anywhere near Pasadena so it wasn't even a good guess
 
I'm not a "marxist" nor a communist and labeling me one does not win your point. I believe in free enterprise and I don't think business should be forced to do anything. What I am consistently arguing for is that business people exercise more enlightened self-interest. The sort of thing I used to see in America when a person OWNED the factory and had a personal relationship with his employees. Where they were treated like family, and in return they busted ass for their boss. They paid workers enough so they could buy other goods and those other factory workers could earn a living and buy your bosses goods.

Corporations have made it impersonal, a mere numbers game. To satisfy the faceless stockholders who have no more stake in the business than their monetary investment and who therefore only care about maximum return on that investment, business managers act only on that imperative. So close local factories, reopen new ones overseas, outsource jobs, then open American outlet stores and pay $10 per hour but only let "full time" employees work 28 hour weeks...that's your American dream?

Meanwhile your $14.00 shirt was made by a Bangladeshi employee who earned $0.18 an hour for a 12 - 15 hour workday and lives in squalor on starvation rations. That's what you want American workers to return to? Hell, if $0.18 cents had the same value here as it did back when you could buy a good horse for $20, I might be willing to work for that wage too. Sheesh.
Perhaps you are just a fellow traveler...

No. I think Marxist is a good lean.
 
Perhaps you are just a fellow traveler...

No. I think Marxist is a good lean.

Wonder what he calls someone who tells private business what they should pay their employees all the while promoting class warfare?
 
Wonder what he calls someone who tells private business what they should pay their employees all the while promoting class warfare?
Statist? Liberal? Progressive, Socialist? Communist (naw)? Marxist? Probably.
 
Love liberal reports, the average Walmart average pay for a full time hourly employee is 12.40 per hour plus benefits. Want to tell me what a cashier job at Walmart is worth. Any idea how many make a lot more that that? tell me what is it about liberals like you who want to tell a private company what it should pay its workers.

Then why did wallyworld decide to not to build three stores in our nation’s capital after the passage of a D.C. Council bill, which demands big-box retailers pay their workers a "living wage" of $12.50?

Could it be because that the average wally world employee makes $8.81 per hour as an independent market research(IBISWorld ) group claims? Which This translates to whopping annual pay of $15,576, based upon wallyworlds full-time status of 34 hours per week ?

Which puts a family of four squarely in the poverty level and eligible for food stamps which the company store(wallyworld ) will be more than happy to accept.:2wave:
 
So Fenton got it right, Pasadena is an incorporated city east of Houston and is not governed by Houston. You have no idea what I did for a living but that doesn't stop you from speculating and showing just how little you know or understand.

And by the way I don't live anywhere near Pasadena so it wasn't even a good guess

Damn OM better go take a nap.But before you do, best change you profile which says "Location:
Houston, TX".

What say... if i get into DP,s advanced search engine what would you want to bet me that i can pull at least one thread where you say that you lived in Houston Tx.?:2wave:
 
Which puts a family of four squarely in the poverty level and eligible for food stamps which the company store(wallyworld ) will be more than happy to accept.:2wave:
Where is that family of four without the job?

And if that is the best they can do should they be breeding?
 
Then why did wallyworld decide to not to build three stores in our nation’s capital after the passage of a D.C. Council bill, which demands big-box retailers pay their workers a "living wage" of $12.50?

Could it be because that the average wally world employee makes $8.81 per hour as an independent market research(IBISWorld ) group claims? Which This translates to whopping annual pay of $15,576, based upon wallyworlds full-time status of 34 hours per week ?

Which puts a family of four squarely in the poverty level and eligible for food stamps which the company store(wallyworld ) will be more than happy to accept.:2wave:

Why would any private business respond positively to being dictated to by a bureaucrat in D.C. First wages, then what?

What you fail to recognize is that Walmart evaluates employees after 90 days and gives raises to deserving individuals. It isn't business's responsibility to pay what you think they should pay but only what an individual is willing to accept. What makes you an expert on what someone else's living expenses are and who is making those wages?

You don't seem to get it, private business pays its workers what they are willing to accept. Walmart is more than fair to their employees and promotes from within If you are making 8.81 an hour for long then you are overpaid. Most good employees are promoted and make a lot more than that. Many however are second income earners or single individuals. I don't think it is any of your business what a private business pays its workers so if you want to pay workers more start your own business and pay them whatever you want.
 
Damn OM better go take a nap.But before you do, best change you profile which says "Location:
Houston, TX".

What say... if i get into DP,s advanced search engine what would you want to bet me that i can pull at least one thread where you say that you lived in Houston Tx.?:2wave:

Do you realize how big Houston is? It is the fourth largest city in the nation and it takes over an hour to get from one side to the other so as usual you have no idea what you are talking about. Stop being an ass
 
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