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Bronson said:
It's not even debatable that Democrats have owned and ran Detroit like a dictatorship for decades. Blacks don't vote Republican. They've been brainwashed and conditioned to vote for Democrats by race hustlers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Obama's plan is to turn the country into Detroit. That's why he's increased Food Stamp rolls to 50 million +. Doubled disability and doubled the deficit within 5 years.
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maybe republicans in Detroit did not know how to win elections, or they did not understand what the voting population wanted. maybe conservitives ideas of governing simply did not appeal to the people of Detroit.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
maybe republicans in Detroit did not know how to win elections, or they did not understand what the voting population wanted. maybe conservitives ideas of governing simply did not appeal to the people of Detroit.
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Or maybe UAW owned the city and were empowered by democrats/progressives and they brought their communist bull**** with them and Detroit fell just like the USSR.
 
pinqy said:
So, retirees, full time students, stay home spouses, are all unemployed? And how exactly would you measure if someone was physically and mentally able to work? That's pretty much impossible to measure as it's extremely subjective.

And what's the point or use of your definition? The UE rate is supposed to measure the labor market...how hard or easy it is to get a job. By including millions of people who don't want to work, you'd make it impossible to figure that out.
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I can see that opposing views crave details when it does not jive with the spin that is going on here. The 7.4% rate is still bogus. If it is supposed to measure the labor market they should call it the Labor Market Rate. However they call it the Unemployment Rate, hence any reasonable person would expect it to accurately reflect the number of our workforce that is unemployed. Take away teenagers, disabled, retirees and full time students and include people who are 1) looking for work, and 2) people who gave up looking for work because it's too hard to find a job. Whether you stop looking or not you still DO NOT HAVE A JOB THEREFORE YOU ARE UNEMPLOYED. They should be included in the 7.4% but are not. Why? Because if the true number of unemployed was accurately reported it makes the current administration look bad. Why? because their economic policies are failing. This is a spin of the numbers, smoke and mirrors.... nothing up my sleeve BS. They exclude those who gave up looking because it makes their number look better. But everyone knows it looks and is bad.
 
Visbek said:
The total number of Americans in the workforce has been declining since 2001.
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That is true, but the rate at which the workforce is declining under Obama is nearly triple what it was under Bush.

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Bronson said:
It's not even debatable that Democrats have owned and ran Detroit like a dictatorship for decades. Blacks don't vote Republican. They've been brainwashed and conditioned to vote for Democrats by race hustlers like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Obama's plan is to turn the country into Detroit. That's why he's increased Food Stamp rolls to 50 million +. Doubled disability and doubled the deficit within 5 years.
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dictatorships require absolute power. if democrats in detorit had absolute power, why did they allow elections to happen that could potentially elect their opponents into power? why did they still obey the state and federal constitutions?

the only thing that comes close to meeting the actual definiton of being a dictator in detroit is the current emergancy financial manager, Kevin Orr, who was appointed by michgan govenor Rick Snyder to some how deal with detroits problems

remember what the marriam webster dictionary defininition of a dictator was?

Definition of DICTATOR
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a : a person granted absolute emergency power; especially : one appointed by the senate of ancient Rome
b : one holding complete autocratic control
c : one ruling absolutely and often oppressively
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Kevin orr was appointed emergancy financial manager for the city of Detroit by govoner Rick Snyder. Kevin Orr job gives him powers to unilatterary decide what programs or services should be cut or stoped in order to fix detroits financial problems, and he is allowed to do it without the input of the city's elected council, or the people who elected the city council.

a single person is appointed and given absolute power over a city's fate, able to act without the approval of Detroit democratically elected city council, or the will of the people.

does that make Kevin Orr, the emergency financial manager for the city of detroit, by definition a dictator?
 
Mr.Nick said:
Or maybe UAW owned the city and were empowered by democrats/progressives and they brought their communist bull**** with them and Detroit fell just like the USSR.
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conservative republicans could potentially know the cure for cancer and know how to achieve eternal life, but they will never get elected if they maintain a attitude of superiority and frown upon people just because they are members of a union. the auto industry was born and raised in Detroit and a republican cannidate must be naive if ticking off or shunning the auto industry is going to help win votes in the city of Detroit.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
conservative republicans could potentially know the cure for cancer and know how to achieve eternal life, but they will never get elected if they maintain a attitude of superiority and frown upon people just because they are members of a union. the auto industry was born and raised in Detroit and a republican cannidate must be naive if ticking off or shunning the auto industry is going to help win votes in the city of Detroit.
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They choose collectivism over individualism and/or liberty..

It's funny you believe I'm a republican......
 
Mr.Nick said:
They choose collectivism over individualism and/or liberty..

It's funny you believe I'm a republican......
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but it was a choice. if detroit was run by democrats weilding absolute power like you are claiming, there would have been no choice.

but there were elections, the people of detroit made their choice and voted for their choice.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
but it was a choice. if detroit was run by democrats weilding absolute power like you are claiming, there would have been no choice.

but there were elections, the people of detroit made their choice and voted for their choice.
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You are correct, and one reaps what they sow...
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
maybe republicans in Detroit did not know how to win elections, or they did not understand what the voting population wanted. maybe conservitives ideas of governing simply did not appeal to the people of Detroit.
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The really bad news for those liberals that kept voting for democrats in Detroit that destroyed their city is people across America have elected the same type national politicians for the White House and the senate. At least for right now, the majority of the bad off in Detroit have food stamps, welfare and unemployment. But sooner or later, the well will run dry from Uncle Sugar. Then those that kept on voting for something for nothing will only get the nothing part. And that day is on the way. Obamacare sealed that deal.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
dictatorships require absolute power. if democrats in detorit had absolute power, why did they allow elections to happen that could potentially elect their opponents into power? why did they still obey the state and federal constitutions?

the only thing that comes close to meeting the actual definiton of being a dictator in detroit is the current emergancy financial manager, Kevin Orr, who was appointed by michgan govenor Rick Snyder to some how deal with detroits problems
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Who was voting Republican in Detroit? If blacks vote Republican they are labeled as Uncle Toms. Race sellouts, ect.

Not sure why you are trying to even debate this. Clearly Detroit was firmly in the Democrats' grip on power. Elections in Iraq under Saddam Hussein had more credibility.

remember what the marriam webster dictionary defininition of a dictator was?
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Democrats in Detroit had opposition? From who?

Kevin orr was appointed emergancy financial manager for the city of Detroit by govoner Rick Snyder. Kevin Orr job gives him powers to unilatterary decide what programs or services should be cut or stoped in order to fix detroits financial problems, and he is allowed to do it without the input of the city's elected council, or the people who elected the city council.
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Well I would hope that the Governor would have some sense and get the city out of the control of Democrats. Look at what Democrats did to Detroit. Why would you want them to continue to be in charge?

a single person is appointed and given absolute power over a city's fate, able to act without the approval of Detroit democratically elected city council, or the will of the people.
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I didn't say a single person. I said Detroit is a 1 party state under the rule of one party. The Democrats. It has been for decades. That's why the city went bankrupt.

does that make Kevin Orr, the emergency financial manager for the city of detroit, by definition a dictator?
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Huh? :lol:
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
but it was a choice. if detroit was run by democrats weilding absolute power like you are claiming, there would have been no choice.

but there were elections, the people of detroit made their choice and voted for their choice.
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Since when did I ever claim they didn't have a choice??

What I've been saying forever is that they used their choice on politicians that pandered to their (progressives or unions) politics both socially and economically and now the city is done.....

You see how that works?

Furthermore I'm not "claiming" democrats have ruled over Detroit for the past 51 years - that is ****ing factual.

The reason why Detroit failed is because you eventually run out of money when you buy votes -- that's why the Euro failed.

You cant spend more than you take in. Is that a difficult concept to understand? "Progressives" and socialists have been trying to prove otherwise for the last 100 years and they all have failed in their attempts.
 
The only difference between Detroit and our federal government is that one can just print money and the other needs to beg for it..

To digress a bit...

I have absolutely no idea how our economy hasn't completely collapsed - I suppose it really is faith.

If your average citizen had even a remedial understanding of economics our economy would have been done years ago.......

This **** is amazing....
 
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If our President was a Republican I would wager all these people downing the numbers would be hailing them.
 
Here's another very telling statistic...

The rate in which the population increases and the workforce increases is usually a pretty similar number. For example, During the 8 years George Bush was in office the population increased 7.8% and the workforce increased slightly less at 7.1%. Under Obama however, it's quite a different story. Since he took office the workforce has increased just 1.0%, with U.S. population growth out pacing it nearly 4 fold, increasing 3.9% during that same time.
 
Bronson said:
Who was voting Republican in Detroit? If blacks vote Republican they are labeled as Uncle Toms. Race sellouts, ect.

Not sure why you are trying to even debate this. Clearly Detroit was firmly in the Democrats' grip on power. Elections in Iraq under Saddam Hussein had more credibility.



Democrats in Detroit had opposition? From who?



Well I would hope that the Governor would have some sense and get the city out of the control of Democrats. Look at what Democrats did to Detroit. Why would you want them to continue to be in charge?



I didn't say a single person. I said Detroit is a 1 party state under the rule of one party. The Democrats. It has been for decades. That's why the city went bankrupt.



Huh? :lol:
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if there election results that shows that democrats got 99% percent of the vote in every election in Detroit at the municipal level, then your claim of a one party dictatorship would have a shred of credibility. Can you provide municipal election results for the city of Detroit going as far back as the 1950s? the fact that no one can helps you make your claim.

did democrats run unoposed for elections in detroit? any evidence you can provide to back up that claim.

you are trying to spin recent events as the status quo for 70 years even though you cannot qoute a piece of evidence beyond the 1990s.

as for your confusion about me claiming kevin orr being a dictator.

considering Kevin Orr job is emergancy financial manager, a job that he was not elected to but appointed to by the govenor of michigan, is able to run the city by himself and without the citys elected council, and has powers that can used on his own authority without the need of approval by city council, who are powerless to act on behalf of the city of detroit as long as Kevin orr is in charge.

that sounds like to me that kevin Orr has absolute power.

and one of the definition of a dictator is
a person granted absolute emergency power; especially : one appointed by the senate of ancient Rome
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Mr.Nick said:
Since when did I ever claim they didn't have a choice??

What I've been saying forever is that they used their choice on politicians that pandered to their (progressives or unions) politics both socially and economically and now the city is done.....

You see how that works?

Furthermore I'm not "claiming" democrats have ruled over Detroit for the past 51 years - that is ****ing factual.

The reason why Detroit failed is because you eventually run out of money when you buy votes -- that's why the Euro failed.

You cant spend more than you take in. Is that a difficult concept to understand? "Progressives" and socialists have been trying to prove otherwise for the last 100 years and they all have failed in their attempts.
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just because one side has been in power for fifty years you simply can't call it a dictatorship, especially when there has been plenty of elections in Detroit over the last 70 years for the republicans to win a election.
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
just because one side has been in power for fifty years you simply can't call it a dictatorship, especially when there has been plenty of elections in Detroit over the last 70 years for the republicans to win a election.
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You're missing the point that the electorate decided as to which party it agreed with as to governance...
 
Grim17 said:
Here's another very telling statistic...

The rate in which the population increases and the workforce increases is usually a pretty similar number. For example, During the 8 years George Bush was in office the population increased 7.8% and the workforce increased slightly less at 7.1%. Under Obama however, it's quite a different story. Since he took office the workforce has increased just 1.0%, with U.S. population growth out pacing it nearly 4 fold, increasing 3.9% during that same time.
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Where do you come up with this ****?

I don't have a "job" I work as an independent contractor and consultant for cash - where do I fall??? I get by but my work is spiratical at best - where do I fall? how about the millions like me who don't fill W2's out every year or just don't work because they cant find a job?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
so the people chose the democrats over the republicans. how does that make detroit a one party dictatorship?
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If blacks vote republican what happens to them

How does the black community treat them

Unitedwestand13 said:
if there election results that shows that democrats got 99% percent of the vote in every election in Detroit at the municipal level, then your claim of a one party dictatorship would have a shred of credibility. Can you provide municipal election results for the city of Detroit going as far back as the 1950s? the fact that no one can helps you make your claim.

did democrats run unoposed for elections in detroit? any evidence you can provide to back up that claim.

you are trying to spin recent events as the status quo for 70 years even though you cannot qoute a piece of evidence beyond the 1990s.

as for your confusion about me claiming kevin orr being a dictator.

considering Kevin Orr job is emergancy financial manager, a job that he was not elected to but appointed to by the govenor of michigan, is able to run the city by himself and without the citys elected council, and has powers that can used on his own authority without the need of approval by city council, who are powerless to act on behalf of the city of detroit as long as Kevin orr is in charge.

that sounds like to me that kevin Orr has absolute power.

and one of the definition of a dictator is
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You're spending pages and page trying to deny reality. It's comical.

Democrats owned and ran Detroit for decades. It's not a secret. Democrats bankrupted Detroit.

Anyways, as an Obama supporter it's obvious you don't want to admit that, because then you'd have to admit that Democrat fiscal policies are all laughable failures. I saw a graph the other day. Obama's recovery is about 20% as effective as Reagan's recovery was. The only people left drinking the Hope and Change messiah kool-aid these days are low info voters addicted to Pop Culture and Liberal Democrats. Independents left a long time ago.

Want your city, state and/or country to look like Detroit? Vote Democrat

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Unitedwestand13 said:
just because one side has been in power for fifty years you simply can't call it a dictatorship, especially when there has been plenty of elections in Detroit over the last 70 years for the republicans to win a election.
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Yeah I can when it's been 50 ****ing years.... There is no word in the English language to describe that type of control as anything but a "dictatorship."

If it matters I don't feel comfortable using the word "dictatorship" however I cant articulate anything other than 50 years of progressive government.

You do realize that Detroit has outlived many "dictatorships" - Iraq for one haha..

Forget the word dictator - Detroit has CLEARLY been destroyed due to democrat policies - that is a fact.
 
Bronson said:
If blacks vote republican what happens to them

How does the black community treat them



You're spending pages and page trying to deny reality. It's comical.

Democrats owned and ran Detroit for decades. It's not a secret. Democrats bankrupted Detroit.

Anyways, as an Obama supporter it's obvious you don't want to admit that, because then you'd have to admit that Democrat fiscal policies are all laughable failures. I saw a graph the other day. Obama's recovery is about 20% as effective as Reagan's recovery was. The only people left drinking the Hope and Change messiah kool-aid these days are low info voters addicted to Pop Culture and Liberal Democrats. Independents left a long time ago.

Want your city, state and/or country to look like Detroit? Vote Democrat

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I wish I could buy that building - I would fix it up and live in it. Too bad the democrats in charge would sue me, or those squatting would sue me or not to mention the property taxes....

I could buy that building for its value in metal and concrete value...

"welcome to my home, just take your shoes off at the door" haha..

That building is awesome.
 
Bronson said:
If blacks vote republican what happens to them

How does the black community treat them



You're spending pages and page trying to deny reality. It's comical.

Democrats owned and ran Detroit for decades. It's not a secret. Democrats bankrupted Detroit.

Anyways, as an Obama supporter it's obvious you don't want to admit that, because then you'd have to admit that Democrat fiscal policies are all laughable failures. I saw a graph the other day. Obama's recovery is about 20% as effective as Reagan's recovery was. The only people left drinking the Hope and Change messiah kool-aid these days are low info voters addicted to Pop Culture and Liberal Democrats. Independents left a long time ago.

Want your city, state and/or country to look like Detroit? Vote Democrat

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what does insulting and demonizing everyone who is a democrat, or supports ideas made by a democrat do to help you or anyone in this debate, or any political debate.

what does insulting the intelligence of people who voted for obama or have supported his policys do to win supporters for your side?

What makes any of your arguments automatically correct and all of my arguements invaild? the fact that i am liberal? the fact i am a democrat.

are we liberals and progressive so evil and wrong in your eyes we should be insulted and jeered at just because of their political believes?

have i insulted you or harmed you in any way just because of your political motivations?

what are you trying to convince me to do in this line of debate of yours?
 
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